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Evolution S557 - closed pliers with small gap?
on: January 07, 2020, 08:05:15 PM
Honourable knights,

I just had to try one of the Evolution models and just today received a nice Evowood S557. I was particularly interested in the Wenger-style pliers but found they don't close perfectly, unlike the Vic-style pliers. I attach a picture to illustrate this. Is this normal for this type of pliers or did I receive a lemon?

Thanks and cheers,

Simon
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Re: Evolution S557 - closed pliers with small gap?
Reply #1 on: January 07, 2020, 09:59:03 PM
Just checked all my Wenger style pliers (Wenger and Victorinox Delémont versions) and at first I didn't see a gap like the one on yours, but...

When I hold them up to a light (like you do in your pic) I see the same thing as in your pic.

So I guess it's quite normal for that type of pliers, if not I own a bunch of lemons...

 :ahhh

Edit: Do the tips touch on yours, that's hard to see in your pic.  On mine the very point of the tip touches, while there's a small gap on the rest of the pliers (like in your pic).

Second edit: Damn this is hard to see, just checked again and turns out that the tip doesn't touch, it's the back of the pliers that actually touch.  Discovered this when I tried to pull out a hair on my arm with it, couldn't pinch it with the tip, but pulled it out with the back of the plier tip (I hope this makes sense...).
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Re: Evolution S557 - closed pliers with small gap?
Reply #2 on: January 07, 2020, 10:05:43 PM
  When I got my EvoWood S557 the pliers are all messed up, with gunk metal in the gripper parts of the pliers, and nothing worked. Was another issue iirc but don't remember. Sent it in for warranty repair and think it took a month to get it back, as Wenger was transitioning at the time, moving offices, departments, something.

  Never used the slip-jointed pliers for anything. They seem more like gimmicks than being useful for anything. Even the open ended wrench is useless. It does not have a 3/8 inch opening on the end. If it did it would of gotten some use.
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Re: Evolution S557 - closed pliers with small gap?
Reply #3 on: January 07, 2020, 10:08:50 PM
Just checked my Wenger Evowood S557 and hate to inform you mine closes perfectly. The only light coming through is between the pliers' teeth.
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Re: Evolution S557 - closed pliers with small gap?
Reply #4 on: January 07, 2020, 10:11:42 PM
Same here.  Also a Vic Delemont Wood S557,  pliers are fine, as they also are on my Wenger S557.
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Re: Evolution S557 - closed pliers with small gap?
Reply #5 on: January 07, 2020, 10:21:33 PM
Did you guys do the "hair test"?

It's very hard to see, I could've sworn mine touched, until I tried to pull out a hair on my arm.

Checked on a Vic S54 Evogrip, and on a quite old Wenger Classic 50.
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Re: Evolution S557 - closed pliers with small gap?
Reply #6 on: January 07, 2020, 10:28:20 PM
I should test everything before I post here...  ::)

Just did the "hair test" on all my Wenger style pliers, and turns out only one (one of my Victorinox Delémont S54 Evogrips) can't pull out a hair with the tip, the rest performed just (painfully) fine...
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Re: Evolution S557 - closed pliers with small gap?
Reply #7 on: January 07, 2020, 10:42:37 PM
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Re: Evolution S557 - closed pliers with small gap?
Reply #8 on: January 07, 2020, 10:54:09 PM
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Re: Evolution S557 - closed pliers with small gap?
Reply #9 on: January 07, 2020, 10:54:57 PM
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Acting all tough now, but during the test I was more like this  :ahhh
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Re: Evolution S557 - closed pliers with small gap?
Reply #10 on: January 07, 2020, 11:15:10 PM
This is interesting, I dug a little deeper and found this old thread concerning the original Wenger S557. At least in the pre-Delemont days, this phenomenon was already known:


https://forum.multitool.org/index.php?topic=43815.0

Quote from: Top-Gear-24 on January 07, 2020, 09:59:03 PM

Edit: Do the tips touch on yours, that's hard to see in your pic.  On mine the very point of the tip touches, while there's a small gap on the rest of the pliers (like in your pic).

Second edit: Damn this is hard to see, just checked again and turns out that the tip doesn't touch, it's the back of the pliers that actually touch.  Discovered this when I tried to pull out a hair on my arm with it, couldn't pinch it with the tip, but pulled it out with the back of the plier tip (I hope this makes sense...).

Topgear, I checked and just made the same discovery: at first I thought the very point of the tip touches slightly, but when moving the closed pliers around before a light source, I found the tip does not actually touch (and I am not even sure the "heels" of the pliers have contact). Since Andy and Mechanickal don't seem to have the problem, this looks like a slight quality issue to me.

I say slight as the gap is so small you need a backlight to detect it, and pulling single sheets of paper probably isn't the normal use case for this type of pliers. That said, at least the pliers I have do not qualify as "super tweezers" the way the Vic-style pliers do.

I am interested to get more input from other Wenger/Delemont users. As I seem to be only the second user of this forum to bring the problem up, it might not be all that relevant in real life. Maybe we are just pulling hairs here...  :rofl:
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Re: Evolution S557 - closed pliers with small gap?
Reply #11 on: January 07, 2020, 11:18:58 PM
Quote from: Outback in Idaho on January 07, 2020, 10:05:43 PM
  When I got my EvoWood S557 the pliers are all messed up, with gunk metal in the gripper parts of the pliers, and nothing worked. Was another issue iirc but don't remember. Sent it in for warranty repair and think it took a month to get it back, as Wenger was transitioning at the time, moving offices, departments, something.

  Never used the slip-jointed pliers for anything. They seem more like gimmicks than being useful for anything. Even the open ended wrench is useless. It does not have a 3/8 inch opening on the end. If it did it would of gotten some use.

Outback, I just realized it was you who started the old thread to which I just posted the link! Good to know you are still active and thanks for your earlier investigations!

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Re: Evolution S557 - closed pliers with small gap?
Reply #12 on: January 08, 2020, 02:41:49 AM
After testing (oww) the pliers on my Delemont S557 Evogrip work just fine to yank out arm hair. Looking at them infront of a light and I can just barely make out a pin point of light about three teeth back from the tip on the pliers. The rest of the bite is perfect.

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Re: Evolution S557 - closed pliers with small gap?
Reply #13 on: January 08, 2020, 03:14:09 AM
Like I said, only one of my Wenger style pliers can't pull out hairs with the tip (but if I pinch the hair between the base of the pliers it will do the job).

But I've been trying other things with it as well and I found that it isn't such a big deal, since most things are a bit thicker as a hair...

And even if you can't pick it up with the tip, you could always use the base (on my "open tip" one at least), or even better, use the tweezers for hair pulling tasks  ;).

I'm not going to send mine in for this, I do have two S54's, and my user (not that I use it often, it gets carried in a sheath on rare occasions, mostly to take pics of it, or to fiddle with it) is the one with the "open tip", the one NIB in the collection is perfect.

I don't consider this to be a Lemon, I've seen a lot worse on other tools...

Just my 2 cents, as always  ;).

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Re: Evolution S557 - closed pliers with small gap?
Reply #14 on: January 08, 2020, 10:15:32 AM
Considering it is your user minor wear and tear possibly being the culprit can't be counted out then.
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Re: Evolution S557 - closed pliers with small gap?
Reply #15 on: January 08, 2020, 03:32:45 PM
User as in, I have carried it a couple of times in a sheath during a hike in the woods ... (to take pics of it, since I always carry my real user Swisschamp along as well  :facepalm:).

The other one of my S54 EvoGrips does not leave its box, so that's why I called this one "a user"  ;).

I only have a handfull of real user tools, my trusty Swischamp, my Huntsman (first SAK I bought, which has seen the most use since I carry it dailly at work), a Vic Spirit (one out of the three regular butterblade versions I own  ::)), a Vic Swisstool (I have one exactly the same, NIB, and an older version with red paint on handle also NIB), a stainless Wave + (again, I have another NIB in the collection also), a BO Charge + (again, another one NIB), a Free P4 (again, spare NIB), a Supertool 300 (again ... double NIB), a Crunch (again ...)  a stainless Surge (of which I only own a BO version NIB, no extra stainless one weird enough  :think:), and two older Wengers (each of which I own three doubles NIB).

Except from the Stainless Surge I own doubles or triples of every tool I consider to be a user.

And a dozen of different models Waves, Charges, Spirits, Swisstools, OHT's, Gerber MP600's and so on, and more collectable stuff in different colours that never see any use at all ...

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Just noticed that you can see the small "gap" on the pliertip in this next pic (on the left one, the right one is the one that never left its box after taking these pics at home in the garden)

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Reply #16 on: January 08, 2020, 03:58:20 PM
Double post  :facepalm:.
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Re: Evolution S557 - closed pliers with small gap?
Reply #17 on: January 08, 2020, 04:05:26 PM
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Re: Evolution S557 - closed pliers with small gap?
Reply #18 on: January 08, 2020, 04:15:40 PM
Merit Badges Must start a thread with a photo of your birth year SAK Must buy something on EDCSource Start a new thread with a photo of custom or non standard SAK scales in your collection Start a new thread and post a photo of the LM Crunch  Multitool for fifteen (15) consecutive days. Start a new thread with pictures of a Fish Scaler in use Must start a thread with a photo of your stayglow SAK You have one of your pictures in the 2019 calendar or in top three of the calendar poll in any month of the given year. You have one of your pictures in the 2018 calendar or in top three of the calendar poll in any month of the given year. Must buy an item through the MTo Store Start a thread with photos of at least 1 MTO branded tool in your collection Start a new thread with a photo of your custom ALOX with scissors Start a new thread with photos of at least 8 different 130mm models in your collection Start a new thread with photos of your Mora knives in use Start a new thread with photos of your titanium gear with a multitool or sak Post your pocket dump photos then challenge two more members who must post their pocket dump photos within 24hrs for you to get the badge. Start a new thread and post a photo of the leatherman (blast, wave or charge) for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread demonstrating paracord knot tying Start a thread with a photo of a repair you made with duct tape Must start a thread with a photo of at least five (5) of your watches Must start a thread showing a photo of at least five BO tools Start a new thread and post a picture of fire making kit or fire with a multitool

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Re: Evolution S557 - closed pliers with small gap?
Reply #19 on: January 08, 2020, 05:26:10 PM
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Merit Badges Start a new thread with photos of at least 5 different 111mm models in your collection Participate  in Challenge thread and post a photo of a Farmer X SAK for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a thread with a photo of a repair you made with duct tape Start a new thread and post a photo of the multitool for thirty (30) consecutive days.  Start a new thread and post a photo of the Vic Pioneer X for thirty (30) consecutive days. Participate in a challenge thread and post a photo of a SAK Cybertool (any variant), Swisschamp, Champion or Toolchest for thirty (30) consecutive days. Must start a thread with a photo of at least five (5) of your watches Start a thread with photos of at least five different colored ALOX models in your collection Join the brave and happy few, who choose a different path. Enter on the boulevard of broken dreams. Participate  in Challenge thread and post a photo of a Fieldmaster SAK for thirty (30) consecutive days. You have one of your pictures in the 2020 calendar or in top three of the calendar poll in any month of the given year. Must put something in order and provide link to the post. Start a new thread with pictures of a Fish Scaler in use Start a new thread and post a photo of the multitool for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread with photos of your Mora knives in use Start a new thread with a photo showing the Hook in use Start a new thread with a photo of a modded knife or multitool with your EDC Start a new thread with a photo showing the Swiss Army Knife   Toothpick being used in an unusual way. Must start new thread with photos of multitools (Magazine/Catalogue type photos) Start a new thread and post a photo of the discontinued sak/mt for thirty (30) consecutive days. Start a new thread with a photo of custom or non standard SAK scales in your collection

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