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Gerber Armbar Owners Club 9846

Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 5,818
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #90 on: February 23, 2020, 03:58:16 AM »
The blue one is available to pre-order on Amazon UK at £39.99 which at today's exchange rate is $51.83.  Import duty hiking up the price as usual as they sell for $32.95 at blade-HQ

Sorry you guys have to pay extra  :oops:
Admin Team Absolute Zombie Club Posts: 20,250 mmmmm SAKrelicious
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #91 on: February 23, 2020, 02:06:18 PM »
I hope the uk price goes down - I really fancy trying the armbar drive out.
« Last Edit: February 23, 2020, 04:47:12 PM by magentus »

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Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 7,863
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #92 on: February 23, 2020, 05:21:15 PM »
I hope the uk price goes down - I really fancy trying the armbar drive out.

Me to.  Hopefully other sites have it cheaper after its released here.

Edit: Seen them on a couple more sites at £40 (but out of stock) so looks like that will be the UK price.
« Last Edit: February 24, 2020, 03:48:29 PM by Kev D »
Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 5,818
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #93 on: February 24, 2020, 07:22:17 PM »
Update on my warranty case: As far as I can tell Gerber has received my Armbar. Now waiting till I hear back from them  :popcorn:
Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 5,786
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #94 on: February 24, 2020, 07:24:51 PM »
 :popcorn:

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Zombie Apprentice Posts: 14,848
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #95 on: February 24, 2020, 09:54:57 PM »
Update on my warranty case: As far as I can tell Gerber has received my Armbar. Now waiting till I hear back from them  :popcorn:

Oh... ok... so it'll take a while still.
Thanks for the update Sir  :hatsoff:

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Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 5,818
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #96 on: February 24, 2020, 10:30:41 PM »
Oh... ok... so it'll take a while still.
Thanks for the update Sir  :hatsoff:

So far they have been really good and responded in a reasonable time, so I hope it won‘t take too long  :tu:
Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 5,818
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #97 on: February 25, 2020, 06:30:54 PM »
I heard back from the warranty team. According to them the tension of the tools (bit driver, scissors and awl) „fall within the guidelines we have set for this type of tool“. This means, imho, the tool works as expected.

To be clear, the tension on my tool wasn‘t even close to the snap we are used to from SAKs or the PST for example. I could wiggle the tool implements in their extended state without any resistance whatsoever. This also means I will ask for a refund, because I would just get another one that works the same way. A shame, I really liked the concept.  :oops:

Hopefully one of you guys gets a better one  :dunno:
« Last Edit: February 25, 2020, 07:29:09 PM by SirVicaLot »
Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 5,786
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #98 on: February 25, 2020, 06:52:10 PM »
That is disappointing Sir Vic. I’m guessing your findings and their feedback will discourage a lot of buyers, me included.  ???

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Zombie Apprentice Posts: 14,848
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #99 on: February 25, 2020, 07:05:37 PM »
Thank you very much for sharing their feedback with us Sire  :hatsoff:

My interest in the Armbar has just vanished.
What a pity  :-[

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Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 5,818
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #100 on: February 25, 2020, 07:31:44 PM »
 :iagree: My interest has vanished as well. I still hope that some of our members, that already ordered one, will receive one with snap. At least that would mean there is a chance to get one of those. Maybe we will see them at stores soon, so we can get a better picture of what is out there  :dunno:
Absolute Zombie Club Posts: 24,490
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #101 on: February 25, 2020, 07:53:00 PM »
Sorry to hear that! Great ideal - maybe next years will be better as a result of working out the bugs and what customers have to say and what they find!
Global Moderator Just Bananas Posts: 67,986
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #102 on: February 25, 2020, 09:07:56 PM »
I heard back from the warranty team. According to them the tension of the tools (bit driver, scissors and awl) „fall within the guidelines we have set for this type of tool“. This means, imho, the tool works as expected.

To be clear, the tension on my tool wasn‘t even close to the snap we are used to from SAKs or the PST for example. I could wiggle the tool implements in their extended state without any resistance whatsoever. This also means I will ask for a refund, because I would just get another one that works the same way. A shame, I really liked the concept.  :oops:

Hopefully one of you guys gets a better one  :dunno:

 :facepalm:

 :bnghd: They have a great design and then this :facepalm:
No Life Club Posts: 2,864
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #103 on: February 25, 2020, 11:29:21 PM »
I'll order one sometime - though my interest has been tempered somewhat.  I'm going to get the Armbar Cork, for which the "talk" on the tools is less important. 

I can't say when - I'm re-working my current EDC lineup in March, and doing Challenges in April and May. 
Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 5,818
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #104 on: February 25, 2020, 11:35:29 PM »
In my reply I have also expressed that in my opinion the tool in its current design is not safe. While one might have no issues with scissors and bit driver, the awl is a different story in my book.
Hero Member Posts: 608
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #105 on: February 26, 2020, 03:03:00 AM »
I wonder if they said the tension was within tolerances to avoid a lawsuit....


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No Life Club Posts: 2,864
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #106 on: February 26, 2020, 03:21:25 AM »
I wonder if they said the tension was within tolerances to avoid a lawsuit....


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 :td:  why must we resort to lawsuits all the time?  Saying something is safe yields no legal protection in the event it is... unsafe.  And what responsibility does a (combat) knife company have to make a safe product?

On the pictures, it looks like there is simply no backspring to provide any extra tension beyond what is provided by friction.  The Armbar Cork tools come out sympathetically.  It seems like it's built much like the inexpensive bike or guitar "tools" that are just a few tools held together in a metal handle with a pin running through.   

Looks to me like they just designed it with no extra means of retention in the open position.  An actual corkscrew or wine key doesn't have any either... So I don't think I'll mind much,

As Sir Vic says, its probably not a good way to design an awl. 
Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 5,818
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #107 on: February 26, 2020, 04:02:17 AM »
I wonder if they said the tension was within tolerances to avoid a lawsuit....


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I hope not, that was never my intention. I just wanted to make them aware of it, so they can improve it  :cheers:
Global Moderator No Life Club Posts: 3,742
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #108 on: February 26, 2020, 04:34:58 AM »
Hmmm .... The ubiquitous "working as designed" - I was wondering/dreading that they would say that !!   :pok:
And I have heard it a lot - Even my company (software) says it - Which can be very frustrating for me as an implementation guy!! .

We'll have to see if thousands of other users have the same view, experience and action as Sir Vic - Then it might change!!

I'm still tempted to get one !   :o
« Last Edit: February 26, 2020, 07:50:41 AM by Huntsman »
Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 5,818
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #109 on: February 26, 2020, 04:46:33 AM »
Additional test subjects would be most welcome  :pok: :D
Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 7,863
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #110 on: February 26, 2020, 03:37:17 PM »
I've pre-ordered mine so I'll let you know.
Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 5,818
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #111 on: February 26, 2020, 03:54:50 PM »
 :tu: :popcorn:
No Life Club Posts: 3,282
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #112 on: February 28, 2020, 05:28:23 PM »
Love the pics and all the info.. I do like the concept and the light hammer in the end.. But for now we will wait

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Zombie Apprentice Posts: 14,848
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #113 on: February 28, 2020, 08:51:36 PM »
:iagree: My interest has vanished as well. I still hope that some of our members, that already ordered one, will receive one with snap. At least that would mean there is a chance to get one of those. Maybe we will see them at stores soon, so we can get a better picture of what is out there  :dunno:

I just stumbled across this Armbar Drive review.

The same problem is being confirmed  at minute 9:18   :dunno:

https://youtu.be/EzowtRC_UvY

Formerly known as MTMatt
Zombie Apprentice Posts: 17,517 I'm not a pessimist, I'm an experienced optimist!
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #114 on: February 28, 2020, 10:02:03 PM »
Not my cup of tea, sadly. Now, if they'd move the knife to the non-locking side, and have the liner lock on the driver, I'd be a lot more interested. Never understood the urge for locking blade, and non-locking drivers (Wingman, Sidekick, Original Wave and so on). Even then, they really do need a more pronounced tang "cam" shape, and a more robust sheet steel backspring, ala PST. As already mentioned, nice idea, shame about the execution.



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Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 5,818
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #115 on: February 28, 2020, 10:28:09 PM »
I just stumbled across this Armbar Drive review.

The same problem is being confirmed  at minute 9:18   :dunno:

https://youtu.be/EzowtRC_UvY

This is exactly how mine was too. No resistance, whatsoever.  :dunno:

Thanks for the video  :tu:
No Life Club Posts: 1,417
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #116 on: February 28, 2020, 11:02:16 PM »
No one in Gerber paying atention to this issue?

A good concept will be another "Flop" due poor execution
Like many others...

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Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 5,786
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #117 on: February 29, 2020, 01:37:11 PM »
If it sells, do they really care about a few enthusiasts on a forum? At least we can form good opinions and advise one another... trying not to be cynical, but once a manufacturer commits to a design and (typically) outsources volume production, it’s a costly exercise to make changes early in the product lifecycle. If it’s popular, there should be an improved version 2 once they’ve made some profit. The general public will not be quite as demanding as us forum folk.  :whistle:

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Global Moderator Just Bananas Posts: 67,986
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #118 on: March 01, 2020, 05:02:14 AM »
If it sells, do they really care about a few enthusiasts on a forum? At least we can form good opinions and advise one another... trying not to be cynical, but once a manufacturer commits to a design and (typically) outsources volume production, it’s a costly exercise to make changes early in the product lifecycle. If it’s popular, there should be an improved version 2 once they’ve made some profit. The general public will not be quite as demanding as us forum folk.  :whistle:

 :iagree: but wished they would fix the problem now :facepalm:
Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 5,818
Re: Gerber Armbar Owners Club
« Reply #119 on: March 03, 2020, 03:36:29 PM »
Update on my warranty case: I received my payment.

I really hope they keep working on this tool, it has a lot of potential. But if they really want to make a competitor to SAKs, they need to step up their game.  I might give the 2.0 version another try  :popcorn:

 

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