Tactical Pen

[Styerman]

BTW , Tactical pens are not meant to be used on pressure points , they are intended to be hammerfisted into the faceplate , neck etc . Pressure points are strictly for those that have a duty to arrest or control . As a plain civilian I only have a duty to save my assets .

Chris

[appletree_man]

Jason Bourne only had a disposable Bic 

[prime77]

Jason Bourne only had a disposable Bic  Grin

Every time I read about tactical pens I think of that scene.

[Flash]

I think of the Heath Ledger Joker scene with the disappearing pen 

[Tinnie]

Jason Bourne only had a disposable Bic  Grin

Every time I read about tactical pens I think of that scene.

Same here

Ohh here's a clip 

[Benner]

Flash, I know these are just pens, but considering what they have been designed for, could you get any grief for carrying one of these?

[Flash]

Benner.....its a pen.  It as been designed for rugged type industrial usage. 

My Sharkie for example is great around the woods as it does not get lost/wrecked/broke etc etc.

If you happen to use a Strong pen as a weapon you might be in trouble, but might also have a defence of grabbing the first thing that came to hand

[Benner]

Benner.....its a pen.  It as been designed for rugged type industrial usage. 

My Sharkie for example is great around the woods as it does not get lost/wrecked/broke etc etc.

If you happen to use a Strong pen as a weapon you might be in trouble, but might also have a defence of grabbing the first thing that came to hand

Rugged type industrial usage.    I like it! 

I know there is obviously no law as such to ban this kind of thing (it is a pen after all) but I wondered if this would have fallen into the weapon catergory as there is do denying that's what it's overall design is for.

[Flash]

Benner.....its a pen.  It as been designed for rugged type industrial usage. 

My Sharkie for example is great around the woods as it does not get lost/wrecked/broke etc etc.

If you happen to use a Strong pen as a weapon you might be in trouble, but might also have a defence of grabbing the first thing that came to hand

Rugged type industrial usage.    I like it! 

I know there is obviously no law as such to ban this kind of thing (it is a pen after all) but I wondered if this would have fallen into the weapon catergory as there is do denying that's what it's overall design is for.

To me its overall design is that of a pen and a stylus for a PDA.....why what do you think it is.

[Benner]

Yes.... I thought the same way sir. 

[Styerman]

Benner , the weapon is between your ears , all else is just a tool . As I understand it , to drill you for an offensive weapon , they need to prove intent .

Chris

[Benner]

Benner , the weapon is between your ears , all else is just a tool . As I understand it , to drill you for an offensive weapon , they need to prove intent .

Chris

While I completely agree and do feel the same, check out the pen made by Mil-tac http://store.mil-tac.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=3 .  If you read the description, it says how "This pen was designed with the military and law enforcement communities in mind. One end is pointed, which could be used as a very effective defense tool". There isn't anything that states how well it actually works as a pen and the focus definitely leans towards it's "darker" side.  It is even called a Tactical Defence Pen (TDP) so could this be argued that this is a weapon with a pen in it?

[Styerman]

But surely you gest , a fine upstanding ladd like Mr. Benner only wanted a hard use tool for his industrial enviroment . Just ditch the packaging , an average Bobby wouldn't know it from a hole in the ground , any who recognized it for what it is would probably just go nudge nudge wink wink . I would tend to avoid anything labled Annialator or some such . BTW Porsche designs makes a nice pen and mecahnical pencil that would work well , and has no bar sinister in its lineage . The have both an Aluminum ant a Ti version , and they write very well , good hand ergo's .

The new stainless steel Sharpie marker ( refillable ) would be another budget priced candidate .

Chris

[Styerman]

But surely you gest , a fine upstanding ladd like Mr. Benner only wanted a hard use tool for his industrial enviroment . Just ditch the packaging , an average Bobby wouldn't know it from a hole in the ground , any who recognized it for what it is would probably just go nudge nudge wink wink . I would tend to avoid anything labled Annialator or some such . BTW Porsche designs makes a nice pen and mecahnical pencil that would work well , and has no bar sinister in its lineage . The have both an Aluminum ant a Ti version , and they write very well , good hand ergo's .

The new stainless steel Sharpie marker ( refillable ) would be another budget priced candidate . Then you would have an airtight justification , you were going Green !

Chris

[Gareth]

Benner , the weapon is between your ears , all else is just a tool . As I understand it , to drill you for an offensive weapon , they need to prove intent .

Chris

While I completely agree and do feel the same, check out the pen made by Mil-tac http://store.mil-tac.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=3 .  If you read the description, it says how "This pen was designed with the military and law enforcement communities in mind. One end is pointed, which could be used as a very effective defense tool". There isn't anything that states how well it actually works as a pen and the focus definitely leans towards it's "darker" side.  It is even called a Tactical Defence Pen (TDP) so could this be argued that this is a weapon with a pen in it?

Ben I share you worries TBH.  Flash could obviously quote chapter and verse, but isn't there a bit in British Law that prohibits the carrying of anything "designed or improvised as a weapon"?  Tactical pens would surely be classed as an object "designed as as weapon".  What you intend to do with it becomes immaterial.  All that has to be balanced with the likelihood of it ever coming to the attention of the authorities, whether they would be minded to do anything about it and your powers of persuasion as to its intent.

[Flash]

Benner , the weapon is between your ears , all else is just a tool . As I understand it , to drill you for an offensive weapon , they need to prove intent .

Chris

While I completely agree and do feel the same, check out the pen made by Mil-tac http://store.mil-tac.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=3 .  If you read the description, it says how "This pen was designed with the military and law enforcement communities in mind. One end is pointed, which could be used as a very effective defense tool". There isn't anything that states how well it actually works as a pen and the focus definitely leans towards it's "darker" side.  It is even called a Tactical Defence Pen (TDP) so could this be argued that this is a weapon with a pen in it?

Ben I share you worries TBH.  Flash could obviously quote chapter and verse, but isn't there a bit in British Law that prohibits the carrying of anything "designed or improvised as a weapon"?  Tactical pens would surely be classed as an object "designed as as weapon".  What you intend to do with it becomes immaterial.  All that has to be balanced with the likelihood of it ever coming to the attention of the authorities, whether they would be minded to do anything about it and your powers of persuasion as to its intent.

The term is "designed, adapted or intended"

Design - Hard use pen
Adapted - No, as the overall design has not been modified
Intended - Very hard to prove

However, this thread has removed any doubt and now none of us can carry one 

[Benner]

Sorry to be a PITA Nick  , but surely the design is; Pen - that can be thrust into someones anatomy in a self defence situation and not simply "Hard use pen"?  I know this is being very OTT picky and TBH I would still carry one, but this level of pettyness has caught people out before.

[Flash]

errrrrr Yes.

Its a rugged pen like some phones are designed to be tough.  The "sharkie" was originally designed for lumberjacks and was to be used in one of those reality TV shows about them for a bit of free publicity....however a "secondary" us was found for it and now thats its main selling point.

At the end of the day, anything used in the heat of battle to defend oneself can be lawfully allowed if it was the first thing that came to hand, however....as soon as you admit to carrying it for that intended reason then you are up S Creek

[Benner]

Thanks for that Nick. 

[ducktapehero]

As mentioned before the stainless steel sharpie would be an excellent make shift kubotan. I carry a regular sharpie everywhere with me, along with a little pocket sized notebook. it's a wonderful little "redneck PDA" for me to jot down notes and stuff plus if I needed to jab someone in a soft part I'm confident the sharpie would hold up long enough to use it at least once or twice. Although they're kinda cool I don't see a need for the Sharkie.

[Styerman]

My pen with DNA sampler . It's Ti , made by Tom Anderson . Writes very well , as it takes the ever excellent Parker Gel refills .

Chris

[Benner]

Looks like S&W have one as well http://heinnie.com/product.asp?s=ccrqvc1637664&strParents=&CAT_ID=610&P_ID=4192

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Looks like S&W have one as well http://heinnie.com/product.asp?s=ccrqvc1637664&strParents=&CAT_ID=610&P_ID=4192

And it doubles as a stylus, so surely no court in the land would throw the book at you for stabbing someone

[sardauker]

Looks like S&W have one as well http://heinnie.com/product.asp?s=ccrqvc1637664&strParents=&CAT_ID=610&P_ID=4192

 

[I'm Still Bison]

A little friendly heads up.Be wary of S&W branded products other than firearms.If you can ,handle them in person before purchase.It's another case of a company allowing it's good name to go on some shoddy products.

[Flash]

A little friendly heads up.Be wary of S&W branded products other than firearms.If you can ,handle them in person before purchase.It's another case of a company allowing it's good name to go on some shoddy products.

+1 from me 

[prime77]

I got one of the Schrade tactical pens last week and am very pleased with it. It's great quality and really tough. And for the price you can't go wrong. A full review to come.

[Tinnie]

I got one of the Schrade tactical pens last week and am very pleased with it. It's great quality and really tough. And for the price you can't go wrong. A full review to come.
(Image removed from quote.)

I like the colour

[rp252]

I got one of the Schrade tactical pens last week and am very pleased with it. It's great quality and really tough. And for the price you can't go wrong. A full review to come.
(Image removed from quote.)

Looks cool.  I've got a similar one by Smith and Wesson, but its so aggressive looking I won't EDC it.  So I just got a Bullet in BO

[LatinoHeat]

As a self defense instructor back in New Jersey, I have mixed feelings about these tactical pens.  I don't think they are any different then any other pen or marker for self defense.  I know they are built tougher, and some pens or markers may break and what not, but I think we are missing the point.  If one learns how to use a small, hand held object like a pen or marker, then the sky's the limit when it comes to defending yourself because there are ALOT if things you can use.  It's the principles that matter.  A strike to the eye, to the temple, the nose.  Hell, even a bunch of swift strikes to the head with a hard object like these will hurt enough to make your assailant let go, or at least focus on what's in your hand.  Once you learn how to use something like this for self defense, then it doesn't matter if you are using a Bic pen, a sharpie, a Sharkie, a kubotan, a minimaglite, or any number of similarly sized objects.  It's the knowledge, my friends, not the object.  If you rely on the object itself, let's say a Sharkie, you will be lost if you don't have it bcause "Damn, now what do I do!?!?!" rather then grabbing you closed 111 MM Sak and doing the exact same thing.
Just my $.02 worth.