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Re: There is NO Perfect SAK
Reply #30 on: February 11, 2024, 08:53:40 PM
Quote from: sparkyv on February 11, 2024, 03:48:07 AM
...I may need to mod my own Alox version....

I was once at the point where I really wanted an Alox Compact. I just made 91mm Alox scales and glued them on.  :salute:




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Re: There is NO Perfect SAK
Reply #31 on: February 12, 2024, 12:58:11 AM
Wow - That is ......... NICE !!
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Re: There is NO Perfect SAK
Reply #32 on: February 12, 2024, 01:50:49 AM
:iagree: a beauty :like:
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Re: There is NO Perfect SAK
Reply #33 on: February 12, 2024, 02:29:33 AM
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Sneider, I agree with Echotec and Huntsman.  Gorgeous!
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Re: There is NO Perfect SAK
Reply #34 on: February 12, 2024, 03:54:58 AM
 :iagree:...very nice indeed! Would l9ve to kn9w how you made them.
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Reply #35 on: February 12, 2024, 06:32:15 AM
 :iagree: :like:
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Reply #36 on: February 12, 2024, 09:05:08 AM
 :iagree: :like: :like: amazing scales! Great work, Sneider!  :cheers:
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Re: There is NO Perfect SAK
Reply #37 on: February 12, 2024, 10:42:52 PM
Thank you guys.  :cheers:
I just wanted to point out that anyone can mod something like that.
It's not witchcraft, just get some information, try it out a bit, then you'll be rewarded with success.  :pok:

@MrToolJunkie: Scales sawn out of aluminum sheet, contoured with a ball mill on Dremel, milled out the cavity for rivet heads, anodized blue and glued with epoxy. :)
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Reply #38 on: February 14, 2024, 12:38:23 AM
I started much with a similar goal and mindset as sparky… but, by the time I got to MTO I had several multitools and SAKs based in different needs.  I thought the compact and PST would be the end all for most daily work, but then I found situations in the office, the lab, home, out and about, etc., where I just kept myself prepared for the anticipated work ahead.

Then… we all know what happens. If I wasn’t limited by “money” I’d just have them in at least duplicate because I enjoy using them and always like to have a backup.

But, so far, I have found my rather ideal tool and combos depending on situation. Nothing is ever perfect, unless you mod/make your own.

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Re: There is NO Perfect SAK
Reply #39 on: February 14, 2024, 12:56:30 PM
Quote from: Grand_Banana on February 14, 2024, 12:38:23 AM
Nothing is ever perfect, unless you mod/make your own.

I do mod my own for that reason. But... there's always another "better" mod to build. Funny thing is my nearly perfect combination is a Pioneer and an Executive, both standard models.
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Re: There is NO Perfect SAK
Reply #40 on: February 14, 2024, 06:16:56 PM
With so many SAKs to try why not try as many as you can?  I began with a Recruit and now I've been carrying a Tinker more.  If only..........  those two words has led to many wonderful mods. 
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Re: There is NO Perfect SAK
Reply #41 on: February 14, 2024, 06:26:37 PM
And there is also other point of view. Example I thougt outrider without saw would be perfect. But actually saw plus cork screw layer is nice to add fire kit. So can find out tool would not pick for perfect tool can actually be handy.

That is MT at best. Example cork screw not much use to actually open wines. But handy to store fire kit. And saw good to strike fire. So tools not used in primary purpose.
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Re: There is NO Perfect SAK
Reply #42 on: February 14, 2024, 07:50:10 PM
As I said, I made my own, the missing parts are finally here.

"Perfect" in the sense that it features the tools that the Skeletool is missing, but that the Wave has. When paired, Skeletool and my opener-less Farmer X are pretty darn close to what I've been looking for.

But I guess the perfect SAK is the one you need but don't know it yet...
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Reply #43 on: February 15, 2024, 03:09:11 AM
Very interesting, the screwed pins.  Nice mod!
Quote from: Blunt Object on February 14, 2024, 07:50:10 PM
As I said, I made my own, the missing parts are finally here.

"Perfect" in the sense that it features the tools that the Skeletool is missing, but that the Wave has. When paired, Skeletool and my opener-less Farmer X are pretty darn close to what I've been looking for.

But I guess the perfect SAK is the one you need but don't know it yet...



Those scales are awesome.  Well done @Sneider.
Quote from: Sneider on February 11, 2024, 08:53:40 PM
I was once at the point where I really wanted an Alox Compact. I just made 91mm Alox scales and glued them on.  :salute:

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Re: There is NO Perfect SAK
Reply #44 on: February 23, 2024, 04:30:07 AM
My Compact just arrived.  This is probably the closest to perfect for me without modding my own.

This is me right now:  :climber:


Quote from: dmattaponi on February 11, 2024, 07:20:41 PM
I agree with some of the above…Sounds like a Victorinox Compact to me :-)


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Reply #45 on: February 23, 2024, 04:43:42 AM
Congrats sparkyv :like:  :like:
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Reply #46 on: July 16, 2024, 09:19:46 PM
Quote from: Sneider on February 11, 2024, 08:53:40 PM
I was once at the point where I really wanted an Alox Compact. I just made 91mm Alox scales and glued them on.  :salute:

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This is very nice but I think it's fair to say that people like the Alox models not just because of the scales.  The tools themselves are beefier in some cases i.e. main blade and bottle opener/driver.  The inline awl is possibly the best multitool awl out there.  The liners are Nickel Silver which is stronger, albeit heavier, than Aluminium.  The rivets are larger and stronger.  Finally the backsprings are stronger I think because there are no backtools.
So fixing alox scales on a 91mm SAK does not make it an alox SAK.

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Reply #47 on: July 17, 2024, 12:30:03 AM
Quote from: ShropshireLad on July 16, 2024, 09:19:46 PM
This is very nice but I think it's fair to say that people like the Alox models not just because of the scales.  The tools themselves are beefier in some cases i.e. main blade and bottle opener/driver.  The inline awl is possibly the best multitool awl out there.  The liners are Nickel Silver which is stronger, albeit heavier, than Aluminium.  The rivets are larger and stronger.  Finally the backsprings are stronger I think because there are no backtools.
So fixing alox scales on a 91mm SAK does not make it an alox SAK.

Depends where you are comparing from right?
SAK X vs 93mm alox pioneer is different than 84mm alox cadet vs SAK X.

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Reply #48 on: July 17, 2024, 02:31:07 AM
Quote from: ShropshireLad on July 16, 2024, 09:19:46 PM
This is very nice but I think it's fair to say that people like the Alox models not just because of the scales.  The tools themselves are beefier in some cases i.e. main blade and bottle opener/driver.  The inline awl is possibly the best multitool awl out there.  The liners are Nickel Silver which is stronger, albeit heavier, than Aluminium.  The rivets are larger and stronger.  Finally the backsprings are stronger I think because there are no backtools.
So fixing alox scales on a 91mm SAK does not make it an alox SAK.

Welcome aboard!

This is all true.

However, I would argue that cellidor scales, with their susceptibility to chemical, thermal, and mechanical damage, are the weakest link on a 91 mm SAK, and that replacing them with metal scales is a major improvement to the durability of a 91 mm SAK.
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Reply #49 on: July 17, 2024, 04:33:08 PM
I started reading this thread thinking 'Compact' and then thought 'Alox'!
This thread is speaking my language!"
:cheers:I currently EDC a Compact, and would love to have this model in Alox some day!!
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Re: There is NO Perfect SAK
Reply #50 on: July 17, 2024, 05:51:14 PM
"Different horses for differenr courses"

This is a minor mod.  It's the old style Vic Hunter XT.  They originally only came in Hunter green/black scales and let me tell you at dusk or just after, it was VERY easy to lose in the brush when field dressing.

When I found some orange/black scales I knew I needed to swap them.

This set up with the Phillips is ideal for the hunt pack

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Reply #51 on: July 18, 2024, 12:12:01 AM
Alox Pioneer X!! It is 3 layers and not 2 but the awl for opening boxes is amazing. Saves the edge of the blade for those important slicing tasks ahead. Everything you need, nothing you dont, in a beautiful alox body.

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Re: There is NO Perfect SAK
Reply #52 on: July 18, 2024, 12:48:21 AM
^^^ Yep it’s a pretty awesome model - Tough and it’s got the scissors plus the standard tools - Yay

Although I miss the toothpick :( 
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Re: There is NO Perfect SAK
Reply #53 on: July 18, 2024, 03:54:16 AM
There isn’t any perfect SAK that meets my exact needs, but I can get pretty darn close. 

The Explorer is close to perfect for my everyday around the house needs. The recent Explorer challenge I did cemented that for me.

The Swisstool Spirit is close to perfect for my project needs.  Moving into our new house and all the renovations, upkeep, and upgrades proved it is the ideal Vic tool to have with me all day.

If I need small tools I can pair a 58mm model.  I often pair my Explorer with an Alox or Midnite Minichamp.  I pair my Spirit with a Rally. 

I thought the XLT would be my “perfect” SAK as it has all the tools I want, but it’s just too bulky for real use.  Having a good combo of SAKs is a better option.

That said, the “perfect” SAK for me would be a Spirit adding a bit driver (or at the very least 4mm hex and 25 torx), small Phillips with extended length like the Workchamp, ruler, and plus scale tools somehow.  However, it would probably be too bulky.
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Re: There is NO Perfect SAK
Reply #54 on: July 18, 2024, 12:44:18 PM
It's been my experience that there are so many "Almost" SAKs that it has to be a marketing ploy! Every single one of mine is a compromise to what I actually want; want a Voyageur, got a Compact. Want a Salesman, got a Super Tinker. Want scissors with that, sorry - not on this model. The one SAK that I have that was exactly what I wanted is my Craftsman - all the tools I wanted and none that I don't. But, alas, it doesn't have an inline Phillips. Oh well.
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Re: There is NO Perfect SAK
Reply #55 on: July 18, 2024, 08:45:24 PM
Quote from: charlie fox on July 18, 2024, 12:44:18 PM
It's been my experience that there are so many "Almost" SAKs that it has to be a marketing ploy! Every single one of mine is a compromise to what I actually want; want a Voyageur, got a Compact. Want a Salesman, got a Super Tinker. Want scissors with that, sorry - not on this model. The one SAK that I have that was exactly what I wanted is my Craftsman - all the tools I wanted and none that I don't. But, alas, it doesn't have an inline Phillips. Oh well.

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I looked at the Handyman since the Craftsman is obsolete.  I wanted a SAK with pliers and metal file as well as tools I had on other models (blades, openers, saw, scissors) but I opted for the Swisschamp because of the inline Phillips, even though I didn't particularly want the fishscaler or magnifying glass.  I'm glad I did.  Looking at the price of the Handyman online now the cheapest one is a few pence less than what I paid for my Champ last year, and that's not even with my preferred scale colour, so I'm very happy with my choice.

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Re: There is NO Perfect SAK
Reply #56 on: July 18, 2024, 08:50:19 PM
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Quote from: zoidberg on July 17, 2024, 12:30:03 AM
Depends where you are comparing from right?
SAK X vs 93mm alox pioneer is different than 84mm alox cadet vs SAK X.

Welcome to the boards ShropshireLad.   :cheers:

 :popcorn:

Thanks for welcoming me, glad to be aboard.  Also I thought I was necroposting but in fact my comment seems to have revived this thread and a good one it is too. 

I forgot about the 84mm alox models!  :facepalm:  Yes that's a very good point.  I guess those are a bit more robust than 84mm celidor models but not neccessarily than 91mm celidors.  I wouldn't know as I don't actually own a 84mm alox.  If I did get one it would probably be the Cadet.  I'm not a fan of combotools...again I don't own one unless you count the one on my GAK, that is a pain in the butt to angle on Phillips screws, and I've read that the combotool proper sans woodsaw is a bit thin.  Just personal preference though.  I went for the Climber  :climber: rather than the Compact.

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Re: There is NO Perfect SAK
Reply #57 on: July 18, 2024, 09:04:09 PM
Quote from: zenostoic on July 17, 2024, 04:33:08 PM
I started reading this thread thinking 'Compact' and then thought 'Alox'!
This thread is speaking my language!"
:cheers:I currently EDC a Compact, and would love to have this model in Alox some day!!

I guess you mean something along the lines of the old Voyageur?  I think it's a shame Vic don't make any 84mm scissor models.  I'd probably then get a Cadet with scissors.

As it is the nearest to a Compact in alox is really the Pioneer X.  Surprisingly it's slightly slimmer than the Compact (15mm vs 16mm) but it weighs half as much again (64g vs 96g). 

A new combo I've just started carrying for the first time going on 3 days now is the Farmer together with the Jetsetter, which I bought a month ago for a business trip.  I am really liking this combo.  I don't often need the woodsaw but oddly when I bought my Farmer 4 years ago it was a few pennies cheaper than the Pioneer.  But all the other tools are very useful and capable with no redundancy unless you count having 2 bottle openers, which I don't because I primarily use those tools (combo small Phillips/opener, and combo flathead/opener/general prybar) for tasks other than opening bottles.  Also it's really nice to have scale tools.  I do have a Farmer X, but I find the Farmer/Jetsetter pairing better for the extra tools, despite having smaller scissors.

My most carried 91mm model is the Climber with black Plus scales with matching black pocket clip.  Here in the UK we can get scales with pocket clips attached on the bay for around the same price as you'd pay for just the scales.  I like the Compact but prefer the Climber's added utility.

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Re: There is NO Perfect SAK
Reply #58 on: June 21, 2025, 07:08:23 PM
I'm still carrying my Swisschamp most days, and have been for the over 3 years (maybe close to 4) that I have owned it. Before that it was my Deluxe Tinker, and before that it was my Super Tinker. Deluxe Tinker is still my favorite that is smaller than the Swisschamp.

For those in the know, what would you choose between the Swisschamp, Outdoorsman and Troubleshooter? Why?
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Re: There is NO Perfect SAK
Reply #59 on: June 21, 2025, 08:37:39 PM
I think the challenge with “the perfect sak” is that once you start adding beyond the very basics (really, anything other than a blade) it becomes a trade off of does my occasional need for the tool make it worth the carry. Add to that different activities and circumstances, and the general compromise that is the nature of a multi tool, and I’ve always found myself drawn to the more minimal models. Specifically two layer, and for many year the pioneer.

The second layer adds some general usefulness beyond the blade without much of a carry penalty. Anything else and I struggle to justify the bulk. Plus I’ve always just preferred dedicated tools when possible, and I’m seldom far away from them. So, for me, a sak is more of a pocket knife +, rather than a portable tool box.
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