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Welding shut a thumbstud hole..?
on: December 28, 2009, 11:58:47 AM
I've been doing some background reading about our law against onehand opening folders.
It seems that if the hole in the blade is permanently shut, so the "mod" can't be undone, it's not illegal to own a cool looking folder.
I was thinking about if some sort of welding could do the trick..  :think:

I realise that the skeletool, spyderco ect. isn't the right choice, but something with a thumbstud might work..
This question is purely theoretical, :) since work has to be done before getting over the Danish border or I would still
try to import a oh knife..   :-\


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Re: Welding shut a thumbstud hole..?
Reply #1 on: December 28, 2009, 12:18:06 PM
wow, Denmark bans all OHO knives, and I thought the UK was bad...

I think it would be impractical, the welding would screw up the temper of the blade, so it would need to be removed and re-tempered afterwards.
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Re: Welding shut a thumbstud hole..?
Reply #2 on: December 28, 2009, 12:27:26 PM
wow, Denmark bans all OHO knives, and I thought the UK was bad...

I think it would be impractical, the welding would screw up the temper of the blade, so it would need to be removed and re-tempered afterwards.
Yes, OHO has been illegal since 2003, but we learned to live with it, eventhough we're cut off from buying 80% of the cool stuff outthere..  :P


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Re: Welding shut a thumbstud hole..?
Reply #3 on: December 28, 2009, 12:28:20 PM
This might sound silly, but I think that at one point cutlerylover from Youtube had emailed Spyderco asking them what they did with the "holes" once they'd been cut out of the blades.  After I joined here and learned about the OHO laws I thought about those.  He got a bag of them from Spyderco.  Would it be really silly to suggest that maybe you could seal up the hole with one of the ones from the company?  Even it it wasn't a perfect fit, it would definitely remove the OHO capability.  Is that feasible at all?
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Re: Welding shut a thumbstud hole..?
Reply #4 on: December 28, 2009, 12:36:25 PM
Here you go, an entire bag filled with wholes  :rofl:

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Re: Welding shut a thumbstud hole..?
Reply #5 on: December 28, 2009, 01:11:11 PM
I seem to recall another Danish resident on some forum or other that used JB Weld epoxy to fill in the hole on a UKPK; essentially making his own DKPK. Not sure of the permanence though.


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Re: Welding shut a thumbstud hole..?
Reply #6 on: December 28, 2009, 01:16:08 PM
I seem to recall another Danish resident on some forum or other that used JB Weld epoxy to fill in the hole on a UKPK; essentially making his own DKPK. Not sure of the permanence though.

was exactly what i was going to suggest, lucky i read the whole thread, work well with black knives caus you can paint over it
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Re: Welding shut a thumbstud hole..?
Reply #7 on: December 28, 2009, 05:16:53 PM
I plug the like i do when gunsmithing. If the hole is threaded cut a screw that it is 1/16 inch proud on both sides of the blade. counter sink both sides of the blade. Thread the screw in to the using loctite peen both sides of the blade. File and polish and you will have a hard time finding the hole. If the hole is not threaded find a peice of steel rod slightly bigger than the hole chuck a short peice the steel rod in a drill or drill press and turn the rod down to a tight fit  using a file and emery cloth and install the pin the same way you install the cut screw.
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Re: Welding shut a thumbstud hole..?
Reply #8 on: December 28, 2009, 06:31:28 PM
Since all you really want is to fill a thumb stud hole you might be able to pick up a special solder for
stainless steel and fill it with that then lightly sand it smooth?  You will not generate enough heat
using a solder gun (traditional) to ruin the temper on your blade.  Keeping in mind any heat will be
at the other end where the thumb hole is and you will be quick enough so it really shouldn't cause
a heat problem. 


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Re: Welding shut a thumbstud hole..?
Reply #9 on: December 28, 2009, 07:28:07 PM
deactivated one handed opening folders (DOHOF)  :think: :ahhh  :ahhh


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Re: Welding shut a thumbstud hole..?
Reply #10 on: December 28, 2009, 07:31:55 PM
deactivated one handed opening folders (DOHOF)  :think: :ahhh  :ahhh
Sounds kinda cool, when it's said like that...   8)
Any ideas, John..?  :)


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Re: Welding shut a thumbstud hole..?
Reply #11 on: December 28, 2009, 07:37:01 PM
deactivated one handed opening folders (DOHOF)  :think: :ahhh  :ahhh
Sounds kinda cool, when it's said like that...   8)
Any ideas, John..?  :)

Ah ideas yes I have a few cold welding which has been mentioned I think  :think: would be the most permanent but you would need a good press  :D


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Re: Welding shut a thumbstud hole..?
Reply #12 on: December 28, 2009, 08:15:02 PM
Might be easier if you just unscrew thumbstud than fill a hole.


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Re: Welding shut a thumbstud hole..?
Reply #13 on: December 28, 2009, 08:48:22 PM
Might be easier if you just unscrew thumbstud than fill a hole.
Yes it would, but then the "geniuses" that made the law still characterizes it as OH.. :P
The hole has to be irreversible / permanently closed to fall out of the OH category..
Tricky, I know.. ::)


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Re: Welding shut a thumbstud hole..?
Reply #14 on: December 28, 2009, 09:02:45 PM
I'm pretty sure if you puddle welded the small hole and quickly quenched it,not much damage would occur to the temperance  :think:




[edit]only problem is if the blade is coated or not,yes this is a tricky one  :think:
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Re: Welding shut a thumbstud hole..?
Reply #15 on: December 28, 2009, 09:16:07 PM
If you find someone with a Tig Welder they could weld it up and keep it cool enough not to bother the temper.
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Re: Welding shut a thumbstud hole..?
Reply #16 on: December 28, 2009, 09:34:44 PM
JB weld it !!!! Would take all of five minutes
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Re: Welding shut a thumbstud hole..?
Reply #17 on: December 28, 2009, 10:42:13 PM
Might be easier if you just unscrew thumbstud than fill a hole.
Yes it would, but then the "geniuses" that made the law still characterizes it as OH.. :P
The hole has to be irreversible / permanently closed to fall out of the OH category..
Tricky, I know.. ::)

yes, but most people consider super glue permanent.
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Re: Welding shut a thumbstud hole..?
Reply #18 on: December 28, 2009, 10:51:53 PM
Might be easier if you just unscrew thumbstud than fill a hole.
Yes it would, but then the "geniuses" that made the law still characterizes it as OH.. :P
The hole has to be irreversible / permanently closed to fall out of the OH category..
Tricky, I know.. ::)

yes, but most people consider super glue permanent.
Then again, here you either get a 600 $ fine or 7 days in prison if you forget to let your stanleyknife stay at work and do some shopping on
the way home.  :o
There was a guy in the news which did get sentenced to prison, but supreme court changed it to the fine instead, for carrying a
MT with a 7,3 cm blade, the allowed length is 7 cm..  :P

I would hate to discuss the wonders of superglue with the police..  :D :D


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Re: Welding shut a thumbstud hole..?
Reply #19 on: December 28, 2009, 11:51:33 PM
Might be easier if you just unscrew thumbstud than fill a hole.
Yes it would, but then the "geniuses" that made the law still characterizes it as OH.. :P
The hole has to be irreversible / permanently closed to fall out of the OH category..
Tricky, I know.. ::)
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yes, but most people consider super glue permanent.


I would hate to discuss the wonders of superglue with the police..  :D :D
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Yeah when it comes to knives they'd be stuck to you like the dam stuff   :D


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Re: Welding shut a thumbstud hole..?
Reply #20 on: December 29, 2009, 10:53:35 AM
Maybe it's a possibility to simply grind the flipper off for example a Kershaw OD-1..?
Anyone has one they could try opening with 2 hands.?  :)



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Re: Welding shut a thumbstud hole..?
Reply #21 on: December 29, 2009, 01:11:04 PM
Although that would remove the OH part, I bet you could still very easily wrist flick it open.  How does the law stand on that?
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Re: Welding shut a thumbstud hole..?
Reply #22 on: December 29, 2009, 01:23:19 PM
Although that would remove the OH part, I bet you could still very easily wrist flick it open.  How does the law stand on that?
Thank you for that piece of information, then it's a No-Go...  :twak:

New ideas please..  :D


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Re: Welding shut a thumbstud hole..?
Reply #23 on: December 29, 2009, 01:30:04 PM
Although that would remove the OH part, I bet you could still very easily wrist flick it open.  How does the law stand on that?
Thank you for that piece of information, then it's a No-Go...  :twak:

New ideas please..  :D

remove the spring?
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Re: Welding shut a thumbstud hole..?
Reply #24 on: December 29, 2009, 01:35:34 PM
You'll still be able to inertia open I expect.

I suppose you could grind off the flipper, remove the torsion spring and then tighten the pivot right down, but then that could be argued as not being perminent which is the main issue here.
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Re: Welding shut a thumbstud hole..?
Reply #25 on: December 29, 2009, 03:01:34 PM
You'll still be able to inertia open I expect.

I suppose you could grind off the flipper, remove the torsion spring and then tighten the pivot right down, but then that could be argued as not being perminent which is the main issue here.

Besides the perminent issue, it seems to me with kind of modding, you're almost easier out making a knife yourself  :ahhh


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Re: Welding shut a thumbstud hole..?
Reply #26 on: December 29, 2009, 03:09:11 PM
You'll still be able to inertia open I expect.

I suppose you could grind off the flipper, remove the torsion spring and then tighten the pivot right down, but then that could be argued as not being perminent which is the main issue here.

or you could smash it under an hammer...
too much effort to be foolcopproof...


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Re: Welding shut a thumbstud hole..?
Reply #27 on: December 29, 2009, 09:48:25 PM
What about dropping in something as simple as solder?  It wouldn't be hot enough to bother the temper and could be dribbled in, and filed smooth.  If you polished it, it would look like it was never there.  It would be reversible, but not easily.

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Re: Welding shut a thumbstud hole..?
Reply #28 on: December 30, 2009, 12:15:04 AM
what if you notch out the whole from this O, so it ends up thus U imagine the base of the u the base of the whole,let them try reversing that  :D


 

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