Full body scanners

[Benner]

Well it should be quicker, and if some pervert wants to look at my junk as payment for that, well.... that's a bonus

That really made me chuckle. 

[Mr. Whippy]

We need body scanners like the ones in Total Recall:
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+1
I have been saying this to everyone as well 

The best example of airport security I haver ever seen was a group of kids [11-13yo] coming home from some sort of sporting exhibition and one of them had a skipping rope in her hand luggage. The security guy said it had to go in the hold as it was a lethal weapon

Maybe in the hands of an assassin  ; surely these objects need to be taken in context with the owner?

That's not been my experience.  I've carried 2 70M ropes in my carryon several times with no issues whatsoever.  (They're heavy and would have put my checked bags WAY over weight.)  Of course, they never weigh carryon luggage, so the fact that it weighs 65 lbs is a mere formality. 

[Whoey]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/01/11/body.scanners/

seems they CAN store and send images after all...

[Grant Lamontagne]

Of course they can- they would need to to be able to store any images for use in prosecution later on.  Nothing legal exists without significant documentation to support it.

Def

[thebullfrog]

Yeah, I really don't get how anyone could be surprised by this. I really don't buy the "test mode" thing either. This is the American Government we're talking about after all.

[Grant Lamontagne]

Tragically it's not- it's more than the US government, as we are doing it here in Canada as well.

Def

[Whoey]

It's global. in the video (linked at the bottom of that article I linked) Robin Leech says it's overboard for internal US flights, and it's more about the external flights that they should be worrying about, and I agree, but then again, I'm external , which means my life is difficult to goto the US (not that I have plans to go anytime soon, and even less now).

[thebullfrog]

Oh no, I know that it's being done globally, but that story was directly referencing American documents and the American policies.

[yud]

I have been in one of those   or at least a simalar one



at the federal reserve, it was cool (I live in a city with 1 metal detector),  It picked up my dad's classic, but they let my knife (the size of vic Alox) in

[Medic82]

When I was in the military I used to fly a lot from the biggest airport in Norway, year 2002, and I started to know some of the people that worked there, I even dated one of the girls that worked security and one time the metal detector detected a metal piece that was in my boots and then I had to be patted down, to my surprise it was her and it was a thorough pat down I can tell that was not according to regulations.

One time I even forgot to put my Paratool in the baggage and I walked right through security with it on my belt and not realizing that I had it there before I went through the metal detector, I was 100% sure that they would take it away from me but to my surprise they didn't. So I walked on to the plain with a knife at my side.

One time when I was returning back to the base from a 2 week leave at home I had made a deal with the medic at the fire station that they would pick me up with the ambulance when I landed, but the people that was working on the civilian part of the terminal would not let me through since I didn't have the proper pass even if I had my uniform on and the military part was closed.

So I just went outside, threw my bags over the fence and climbed. Nobody stopped me and this is the base of where the P-3 Orion that is hunting for Russian subs is stationed and you can with ease just walk inside and sabotage a plane

Security at the airport is just a nice illusion so everybody can feel safe

[sardauker]

I have been in one of those   or at least a simalar one

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It seems the one from Seth Brundle :/
any fly inside?

I would be scared

[Mate]

I want a job at an airport 

Dunc

Ah,your dirty mind...  

[appletree_man]

So I've read about them installed at airports, and the detailed images they can produce. This is claimed to be one of them.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/january2010/050110top2.jpg <-graphic content, depends on your view.

Didn't look like much eh? Now save it, open it in your fav image processor and invert color. I'm not sure if I believe it but look at the outline around the leg produced by the jeans, and the outline of the gun in the left most image, not sure how I can dispute the authenticity of it.

This is how the airport screeners will see you. 

I'm glad there's still some girls around who avoid the razor 

[Pacu]

Say you travel quite a bit. Wonder if you get junk cancer from so many screenings should these become travel standard?

[stressmaster5000]

Say you travel quite a bit. Wonder if you get junk cancer from so many screenings should these become travel standard?

Don't touch my junk!! 

[Threeme2189]

Sad to say , Isreal has the right approach to airport security , profile like crazy , an have a bunch of competent shooters on hand . Screening is a feel good thing .

Chris

 

[glorn]

So I've read about them installed at airports, and the detailed images they can produce. This is claimed to be one of them.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/january2010/050110top2.jpg <-graphic content, depends on your view.

Didn't look like much eh? Now save it, open it in your fav image processor and invert color. I'm not sure if I believe it but look at the outline around the leg produced by the jeans, and the outline of the gun in the left most image, not sure how I can dispute the authenticity of it.

This is how the airport screeners will see you. 

I'm glad there's still some girls around who avoid the razor 

Amen. 

[glorn]

I don't fly much at all anymore, as they have made it such a complete pain the ass, absolutely refuse to throw PC out the window and start profiling people with names like Ahmed Mohammed Hussein, and now they even charge for luggage.

Really? I mean.. I am traveling after all. That means I may have some bags and whatnot.

And of course.. being one of us... I can't fly with only a carry on like I used to. Because I have a SAK and MT on me. Can't have those on the plane. So now I have to pay more for a small bag and an hour or two of inconvenience. No way I'm leaving the country without a knife of some sort. I've had a few run ins where a knife meant that the creep decided he'd better rob someone else.

So I only fly now if no other realistic option is available. And I hate it now. Used to love flying. Hate hate hate it now.

But, if these scanners become the latest waste of money in the name of Homeland Security and TSA not doing their jobs properly, I could see myself having fun with it.

I'll make it a point to always lodge the end of my manhood into something unusual before stepping through. Something that cannot be considered dangerous at all, but will for sure be seen on the scanner. I don't even care if it causes me to be delayed.

Something like.. a vinyl baby doll or toy clown  head... or a doughnut.. perhaps a hollowed out grapefruit... or I'll procure one of those p*nis gourds the New Guinea natives wear...

If they are gonna put my junk on stage, I'm gonna put on a f*cking show they'll remember.

 

[Medic82]

I don't fly much at all anymore, as they have made it such a complete pain the ass, absolutely refuse to throw PC out the window and start profiling people with names like Ahmed Mohammed Hussein, and now they even charge for luggage.

Really? I mean.. I am traveling after all. That means I may have some bags and whatnot.

And of course.. being one of us... I can't fly with only a carry on like I used to. Because I have a SAK and MT on me. Can't have those on the plane. So now I have to pay more for a small bag and an hour or two of inconvenience. No way I'm leaving the country without a knife of some sort. I've had a few run ins where a knife meant that the creep decided he'd better rob someone else.

So I only fly now if no other realistic option is available. And I hate it now. Used to love flying. Hate hate hate it now.

But, if these scanners become the latest waste of money in the name of Homeland Security and TSA not doing their jobs properly, I could see myself having fun with it.

I'll make it a point to always lodge the end of my manhood into something unusual before stepping through. Something that cannot be considered dangerous at all, but will for sure be seen on the scanner. I don't even care if it causes me to be delayed.

Something like.. a vinyl baby doll or toy clown  head... or a doughnut.. perhaps a hollowed out grapefruit... or I'll procure one of those p*nis gourds the New Guinea natives wear...

If they are gonna put my junk on stage, I'm gonna put on a f*cking show they'll remember.

 

That's the spirit

[David]

Sad to say , Isreal has the right approach to airport security , profile like crazy , an have a bunch of competent shooters on hand . Screening is a feel good thing .

Chris

I agree.

[gustophersmob]

I do not like that at all. This will just result in more people not flying anymore.

At the risk of sounding like a conspiracy theory nut, I believe this is exactly the point.  It seems as though there is a recurring 3 step pattern throughout history whenever a government oversteps its bounds and tries to control the people under it:

1) Disarmament of civilians (modern day gun/knife control broadly falls under this).
2) Limit/suspend the right to due process (many stories of this, especially during times of war or our current terror fear climate)
3) Limitation of freedom of mobility.  A population that can easily move about from place to place, including to other nations, is much harder to control.

I think the insanity that is airport security is the first step down this path.  Once it becomes accepted/normal, I guarantee we will see it filter down to trains, buses and cars.  Some of the concepts for the next generation of OBD computers in cars is chock full of tracking, speed control and engine control capabilities; all for"safety" I'm sure.

[Neil]

Let's be careful not to drift into general politics peoples as that is a taboo on MTO and will result in thread locking 

[gustophersmob]

Let's be careful not to drift into general politics peoples as that is a taboo on MTO and will result in thread locking 

Oops, my mistake.  Should've read the rules first. 

[dks]

because of this thread this happened :
Brussels, 14 November 2011

 https://www.economist.com/blogs/gulliver/2011/11/body-scanners-0

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-11-1343_en.htm

"In order not to risk jeopardising citizens' health and safety, only security scanners which do not use X-ray technology are added to the list of authorised methods for passenger screening at EU airports."

MTO gets results!

[Don Pablo]

because of this thread this happened :
Brussels, 14 November 2011

 https://www.economist.com/blogs/gulliver/2011/11/body-scanners-0

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-11-1343_en.htm

"In order not to risk jeopardising citizens' health and safety, only security scanners which do not use X-ray technology are added to the list of authorised methods for passenger screening at EU airports."

MTO gets results!

Couldn't they have banned them based on a more intelligent excuse?
I've gone looking for numbers on the amount of radiation that these things give you per screening. So far, all the numbers I've seen are in the "1 banana" range. Context:

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There is a radioactive isotope of Potassium, Potassium-40, in all organic things, and when it gets into your body, it emits some radiation as it decays.
For one banana, its about 0.1 microseiverts

Some sources speculate higher doses, but I haven't seen those numbers so far.
Some sources speculate that this little radiation dose could give you skin cancer, but again, no numbers.

Needless to say, one bananas worth of radiation is not very high.....
And the daily dose that you get from "natural background radiation" is about 100 times higher, and thats also considered to be harmless.

[dks]

take into account potential future knowledge on effects and the psychological factors.
also the fact that personnel is checked various times a day

[Gerhard Gerber]

Something like.. a vinyl baby doll or toy clown  head... or a doughnut.. perhaps a hollowed out grapefruit... or I'll procure one of those p*nis gourds the New Guinea natives wear...

If they are gonna put my junk on stage, I'm gonna put on a f*cking show they'll remember.