Dutch Army Knives

[Agamemnon]

And the Victorinox:

[Myron]

Amazing collection.  Well done.  Are you a veteran of the Dutch services?  Just wondering.

[Wspeed]

Excellent collection very nice 

[Ike582]

Great pics of the AMEFA and Vic Dutch series', thanks for posting.

[Ivo]

Wow very nice 

[Rapidray]

And now some  Multitools "used" by (or given as present to) the Dutch Army:

1)  KLU (Airforce);
2)  Landmacht (Army);
3)  Luchtmacht (Airforce);
4)  Landmacht (Royal Netherlans Army)

and there is more to come

Well that’s interesting 

[Rapidray]

The complete range of Alox Amefa knives: (KL72 - KL82 & KL84, including KLu74)
In the years 1972, 1973 and 1974 this knife has three components. There was no can opener and the bottle opener was on the blade site. The can-opener was provided separately.
In the following years we switched to the 4-component pocket knife, incluiding the can opener.

And the complete range of Alox Victorinox knives: (KL83, KL85 - KL92, including KM87)

Oh boy, that is a great selection of Dutch Army knives! 

[Rapidray]

And the Victorinox:

And it got even better! 

[Agamemnon]

Amazing collection.  Well done.  Are you a veteran of the Dutch services?  Just wondering.

an 'old' one

[Agamemnon]

The "oldies".
1) The complete range of the brown fiber Amefa blades (including KLU63 & KLU65)
Look for the differences. Hint: tang stamps and position of the bottle opener

2) It is assumed that this (green) knife was made by Amefa. There is no confirmation. It was issued to the Mobile Colonnes Corps (KMC) in 1955. This Corps existed from 1955 to 1993.

3) A very old one. It was from my great-grandfather; A gunnery sergeant and was provided in 1876.

[glenfiddich1983]

Impressive collection! 

[Wspeed]

Excellent collection 

[EMZ]

The "oldies".
1) The complete range of the brown fiber Amefa blades (including KLU63 & KLU65)

Almost complete...
Sorry, but here's the KLU 64. No manufacturer's name, however probably Ameva.

[EMZ]

Of course a great collection. Especially the 19th century knife!

[Agamemnon]

Almost complete...
Sorry, but here's the KLU 64. No manufacturer's name, however probably Ameva.

Thanks for your feed back EMZ. I have indeed not mentioned the KLU64 because I am not sure that this is an Amefa knife (I think it is - but no confirmation). This is for two reasons: no name of the manufacturer and a different configuration of the letters.
And I thought there was no DAK production at Amefa in 1964.

[Ivo]

The "oldies".
1) The complete range of the brown fiber Amefa blades (including KLU63 & KLU65)
Look for the differences. Hint: tang stamps and position of the bottle opener

2) It is assumed that this (green) knife was made by Amefa. There is no confirmation. It was issued to the Mobile Colonnes Corps (KMC) in 1955. This Corps existed from 1955 to 1993.

3) A very old one. It was from my great-grandfather; A gunnery sergeant and was provided in 1876.

Very nice 

[Dmitry]

Hi Ivo,

Looking at the KL87: The stamp on these knives was "VICTORINOX". In 1986/87 the stamp was changed to "Victorinox".
The standard 93 mm blades are used for assembly. The old stock is first used up and then switched to the new one. As a result, both types of stamps can be found on the 1987 knives: "VICTORINOX" (old) and "Victorinox" (new).
This is also the case with the KM87 knives

it is interesting. DAK 86 was still with the shackle  and in 1987 it is key ring already. while Victorinox moved officers' knives to key ring as from 1968/69. or this bail was added in purpose in DAK ?

[Shuya]

 
7) In the United Kingdom, just like in Germany, it is absolutely forbidden to have lockable knives. The "liner lock" has therefore been removed for Dutch soldiers stationed in the UK.
 

Just to clarify: locking blades are perfectly legal in germany.
The only restriction here are one hand locking blades where you need a legal reason (in theory, for real its almost forbidden to carry).
German troops have the OHO Trekker, but are allowed to have it while on duty.

[Dmitry]

These two knives I found in my letter box this week 

Both are Dutch line worker knives:
1. CC Klein Tools with hawk bill blade.
2. Rich. A. Herder with blade stamped KL + lion.

is there any more info about KL+ lion knife? looks like electrician knife with stamp TL. is this one also kind of connection to electrician in KL?

[Agamemnon]

KL + (Dutch) Lion:

The knife is the Dutch version of the "Lineman" TL-29 of the US Signal Corps. In the Netherlands it was issued to the "Genie"/"Verbindingstroepen" - electricians/line workers.
 (Signal Corps).

It was made by Rich. Herder, Solingen and was in use in 1940-1950.

[Dmitry]

Thanks Agamemnon.

[Rapidray]

KL + (Dutch) Lion:

The knife is the Dutch version of the "Lineman" TL-29 of the US Signal Corps. In the Netherlands it was issued to the "Genie"/"Verbindingstroepen" - electricians/line workers.
 (Signal Corps).

It was made by Rich. Herder, Solingen and was in use in 1940-1950.

Very nice! 

[Agamemnon]

One of my other Army 'pocket knives' - not realy a pocket knife or a multitool. It's a:

Royal Dutch Navy Sailors knife (“Kortjan”)with scabbard

Sailors were issued a sailor knife on arrival. This knife was provided with their "studbook number" (registration number). This number was written on both the knife and the sheath.

Most veterans have memories of their knife and do not dispose of it. For that reason, few of these knives are "up for sale".

Knife: stainless steel single-edged blade, wooden handle with three riveted brass nails. Leather sheath with loop for attachment to the belt and strap with snap button for holding the knife in place in the sheath.

Dimensions: Total length without sheath: 265 mm, with sheath: 310 mm.
The sheath is 274 mm. (incl. loop) Blade: 146 x 28 x 2 mm at the hilt.
Hilt: The handle is made of two wooden plates which are attached with three brass rivets. The studbook number of the sailor is ‘written’ in the hilt.
Blade: Is made of stainless steel, single-edged. Has a "spearpoint" shape. In addition to the manufacturer's name and logo, the blade also says: Kon. Marine (Royal Navy) 1955.
Sheath: Black leather sheath with loop and belt with push button to secure the knife in the sheath. The text on the back of the loop is: "KON.MARINE-VALK. "55".

De Valk (the Falcon)
J. de Valk was a leather goods manufacturer in Amsterdam who already made leather goods for the Dutch army in the 1930s. In particular inner linings for helmets, and bayonet sheaths are known.
After the occupation of the Netherlands in May 1940, the company continued production for the Germans. It is known that ammunition pouches and belts were made.

[Wspeed]

Those are very nice 

[Myron]

Beautiful knives, Agamemnon.  What was their main purpose, meal prep, general utility?

[Rapidray]

Wow! Very nice! 

[Agamemnon]

Beautiful knives, Agamemnon.  What was their main purpose, meal prep, general utility?

Hi Myron,
In earlier times, the equipment of the sailors on board the sailing ships consisted of a revolver, the sailor's knife and the entersaber. The knife was mainly used for cutting ropes and for all kinds of other things. So general utility.

I asked my friend what he did with the knife.
This knife was only used during the (basic)training in the Marine Training Camp Hilversum. Afterwards it was put in the locker because it was "too difficult" to wear in the service section VLMNT / RRMT (fire control fitters). So he preferred his ‘regular’ army knife.

[Rapidray]

Hi Myron,
In earlier times, the equipment of the sailors on board the sailing ships consisted of a revolver, the sailor's knife and the entersaber. The knife was mainly used for cutting ropes and for all kinds of other things. So general utility.

I asked my friend what he did with the knife.
This knife was only used during the (basic)training in the Marine Training Camp Hilversum. Afterwards it was put in the locker because it was "too difficult" to wear in the service section VLMNT / RRMT (fire control fitters). So he preferred his ‘regular’ army knife.

That is some great information! 

[Dmitry]

Hi Myron,
In earlier times, the equipment of the sailors on board the sailing ships consisted of a revolver, the sailor's knife and the entersaber. The knife was mainly used for cutting ropes and for all kinds of other things. So general utility.

I asked my friend what he did with the knife.
This knife was only used during the (basic)training in the Marine Training Camp Hilversum. Afterwards it was put in the locker because it was "too difficult" to wear in the service section VLMNT / RRMT (fire control fitters). So he preferred his ‘regular’ army knife.

What a great piece of history!! thumbs up !

[Agamemnon]

 

Speaking of ‘general utility’”:
Not all sailor knives were treated with equal care.
A knife from another comrade of mine was also used to get the weeds from between his garden tiles and that leaves its mark.

These four are the sailor knives in my collection, by the way.