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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #540 on: March 01, 2020, 01:31:10 PM
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #541 on: March 01, 2020, 01:52:22 PM
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #542 on: March 01, 2020, 09:00:05 PM
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #543 on: March 02, 2020, 02:32:05 PM
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A little bit background info about Amefa army knives.

After the Second World War the Dutch army used the left overs of the Canadian and British army, including the pocket knives.
Many of the mainly English knives are used in the Dutch East Indies - Bersiap period - Police Actions and during the New Guinea issue.

In the meantime, Amefa popped up in the Netherlands. This "Apeldoornsche Messenfabriek" (Apeldoorn Knife Factory) was founded by Eugen Hollaender in 1931. He came to Apeldoorn from Germany at the age of 25 and started a razor company.

Competition intensified in the 1940s and the company focused on kitchen knives and pocket knives, including army knives. Between 1945 and 1914 Amefa made knives in the same configuration as the "Candidius".

After the 2nd World War the "new" pocket knives came in the equipment of a Dutch soldier. It started in the 1950s when AMEFA started producing pocket knives that consisted of 4 parts.

The very first knife was made by Instalex; an identical knife as the Amefa, but marked with "INSTALEX". Instalex was part of Amefa and traded in steel. The knife was marked with Instalex (Internationale Staalwaren Export Maatschappij = International Steel Export Company) to indicate the origin of the steel. In the following years, the Instalex stamp was replaced by Amefa.

In the early days, knives appeared in which the location of the bottle opener and the can opener was different from the later models – blade and can opener on the same side and the bottle opener on the other side. You can also see this phenomenon with American knives (Kingston - USMC)

Later an Amefa knife also appeared with the stamp “Rostfrei” on the other side of the blade. In my entire collection this marking only appears on 1 knife.

The Amefa era lasted until the early 80s when the Swiss company Victorinox started supplying the Dutch service knives.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #544 on: March 02, 2020, 04:00:09 PM
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #545 on: March 04, 2020, 10:01:13 PM
Great information and pictures. Thanks Agamemnon!
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #546 on: March 04, 2020, 10:06:03 PM
A new pouch for the DAK is coming into service... In the new camouflage pattern named "Netherlands Fractal Pattern Multitone" (NFP).
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #547 on: March 05, 2020, 06:47:47 PM
Nice looking pouch :like: :tu:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #548 on: March 05, 2020, 11:19:52 PM
Agamemnon: "It started in the 1950s when AMEFA started producing pocket knives that consisted of 4 parts."

I love the old Amefa (top picture) with the small shield at the backside. Never saw this one before. Is beneath the shield the text "Amsterdam"??
The knife I have does have the staped shield with 'Amsterdam', but lacks the 'Amefa' stamp.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #549 on: March 06, 2020, 11:29:39 AM
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Thanks EMZ for the remarks.

1) I am going to look for the new pouch

2) The text is indeed "Amsterdam". But on the picture are 2 different knives.
The top one is the "Amesterdam" and does not have the stamp "Amefa", and the other one is the "Amefa" (without "Amsterdam")
« Last Edit: March 06, 2020, 11:34:40 AM by Agamemnon »
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #550 on: March 06, 2020, 02:43:32 PM
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #551 on: March 09, 2020, 12:22:06 PM
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The CEE (Cavalerie Ere Escorte) knife.
First a small story and then the pictures:

On the third Tuesday of September it is in the Netherlands “Prinsjesdag”.
Prinsjesdag (Little Prince Day) is the day on which the reigning monarch of the Netherlands addresses a joint session of the Dutch Senate and House of Representatives to give the speech from the throne (Dutch: Troonrede); setting out the main features of government policy for the coming parliamentary session.


Mounted Honorary Escort of the Cavalry (2nd platoon)
The Stable Master of the King on horseback has a free place within the parade. A total of 68 horses are taken part. A small part comes from the Royal Stables, but because the army no longer has any horses, a large part is temporarily borrowed from private individuals and ridden by the Cavalry Honorary Escort.

During Prinsjesdag the Second Platoon rides at the head of the parade behind the Royal Military Chapel "Johan Willem Friso".
The First or Officers Platoon rides behind the Golden Carriage and continues the tradition of the former officer escorts, which are formed on special occasions.

The uniform worn by officers, non-commissioned officers and hussars was introduced in 1867 by HM King Willem III.
The officers wear a silver so-called giberne (a cartridge bag with a bandelier) over the left shoulder and a high white feather on the busby.
Petty officers and hussars have a short, white horsehair brush on the busby instead of a plume. Furthermore, they are riding with "pulled" saber (on the shoulder).

The CEE knife is a Reminder knife and was given to the participants during the Escort Dinner on the eve of Prince's Day. I think, it was somewhere between 1974 and 1978. No more than 100 pieces have been supplied.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #552 on: March 09, 2020, 02:28:01 PM
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #553 on: April 19, 2020, 11:54:40 AM
 :hatsoff: Goog morning to you all.

DAK 1993
A few weeks ago I received my newest addition: a DAK93 with DE-GM mark. So the knife dates from before 2006. So far "nothing special", but this knife, with green scales, has a gold plated Interservice logo, was presented in a wooden box with the inscription Koninklijke Landmacht (Royal Army) / Landmachtstaf (Army staff).
The knife was only given on special occasions such as retirement.

Amefa 1963
Also my Air Force knife came in: an oldie from 1963 – so, an Amefa knife.
The owner was a member of the LBK – Luchtmacht BewakingsKorps (Air Force Guard Corps).
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #554 on: April 19, 2020, 02:05:24 PM
Those are nice ones  :like: :tu:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #555 on: April 20, 2020, 12:21:02 AM
Very nice DAKs, Agamemnon.  I especially like the commemorative 111 mm.   

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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #556 on: April 24, 2020, 10:31:16 PM
Recently I bought this nice 'KL1993' model pocket knife. It is beautiful engraved with the name of the former owner (a Dutch Army sergeant-major). I found his name also on the internet as he was mentioned in an article from the magazine 'Auto Motor & Techniek', dated 2015.
I have no idea which technique has been used for the engraving.
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Reply #557 on: April 24, 2020, 10:34:27 PM
Nice to have some information
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Reply #558 on: April 24, 2020, 10:43:32 PM
That is very cool, EMZ.  Maybe you should try to find him on social media and see if he wants it back?  Maybe he lost it or something. 
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #559 on: May 08, 2020, 11:51:35 AM
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Last week I received a "new" knife that I had been looking for years: KLU64.

It is a knife that raises questions: KLU indicates the Royal Netherlands Air Force and 64 the year 1964. Furthermore, there is no marking on - no name.

(This happened more often: the knife of the KMC (Corps Mobile Colonnes) - with green handle. No name but supposed to be made by Amefa).

The KLU has the same configuration as the other Amefa knives from that period, only the colour of the handle is slightly different. If a knife resembles other Amefa knives, it will probably be an Amefa knife. In addition, Defence had a contract with Amefa in the 1950s and only these knives were issued.
Therefore, I assume that it is an Amefa knife.

However, the text "KLU64" is vertically on the grip as is the case with the "army variants". Moreover, Amefa (as far as I know) did not produce knives for the Dutch Defence in 1965.
Therefore, I assume that it is not an Amefa knife.

In short, I don't know - who can tell anything meaningful about it, then I'd like to hear it.

Apart from this I am very happy with this knife: I now have the KLU63, KLU64, KLU65 and the Klu74.
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Reply #560 on: May 08, 2020, 02:09:10 PM
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #561 on: May 08, 2020, 02:55:25 PM
Very nice set Agamemnon. I always learn so much from your posts. 

I always like it when I can add a DAK to my small collection, and your posts have helped me more than once. 


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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #562 on: May 08, 2020, 03:06:43 PM
Quote from: Myron on May 08, 2020, 02:55:25 PM
Very nice set Agamemnon. I always learn so much from your posts. 

I always like it when I can add a DAK to my small collection, and your posts have helped me more than once. 


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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #563 on: May 12, 2020, 08:33:20 PM
Today I finally managed to acquire a DAK that i’ve been looking for for a long time: the Dutch Army 11 Air Assault Brigade.


There’ve been a couple of previous opportunities in the past years but I got outbid or the seller just asked a very steep price. This time I was lucky enough to deal with a seller that wanted this knife to get a good new home because it used to be his personal knife when he was in service in the 11 Air Assault Brigade. I offered him a fair price and the knife is now mine!

[--- arms length ---] (-.-) 

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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #564 on: May 12, 2020, 08:35:48 PM
Glenfiddich, this is excellent!  What a lovely and impressive collection you have.  Some real rarities in there!
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #565 on: May 12, 2020, 09:07:10 PM
Quote from: glenfiddich1983 on May 12, 2020, 08:33:20 PM
Today I finally managed to acquire a DAK that i’ve been looking for for a long time: the Dutch Army 11 Air Assault Brigade.

Aha! So YOU are the one that beat on that SwissTool! Dang...  :-\
But I'm glad it stayed 'home'.
Congratulations!

To comfort myself a little bit I bought the other DAK this guy was offering: A CRKT Thunderbolt 2 with logo of the Dutch Army 11 LMB (Air Mobile Brigade). Used in 2008 in Afghanistan.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #566 on: May 13, 2020, 09:10:34 AM
Quote from: EMZ on May 12, 2020, 09:07:10 PM
Aha! So YOU are the one that beat on that SwissTool! Dang...  :-\
But I'm glad it stayed 'home'.
Congratulations!

To comfort myself a little bit I bought the other DAK this guy was offering: A CRKT Thunderbolt 2 with logo of the Dutch Army 11 LMB (Air Mobile Brigade). Used in 2008 in Afghanistan.

Thanks, and sorry (sort of  :D) for snatching this one!

That CRKT also looks great!  :salute:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #567 on: May 13, 2020, 03:53:49 PM
That's a great collection Glenfiddich, I love it!
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #568 on: May 13, 2020, 04:05:12 PM
Quote from: glenfiddich1983 on May 12, 2020, 08:33:20 PM
Today I finally managed to acquire a DAK that i’ve been looking for for a long time: the Dutch Army 11 Air Assault Brigade.
(Image removed from quote.)

There’ve been a couple of previous opportunities in the past years but I got outbid or the seller just asked a very steep price. This time I was lucky enough to deal with a seller that wanted this knife to get a good new home because it used to be his personal knife when he was in service in the 11 Air Assault Brigade. I offered him a fair price and the knife is now mine!

(Image removed from quote.)

Cool display and collection!  :like:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #569 on: May 31, 2020, 12:53:11 PM
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Every year (except for this year - Covid 19) there is a National Veterans Day over here in the Netherlands. I always go here to see my old B.I.A.

Because I want to make my collection of DAKs "complete" I make an overview of (as far as I know) the knives I still miss. The knives of the Royal Netherlands Air Force are now on this list.

Where can you better be than with the old users of these knives: Air Force guys. So, during lunch I went to their "tent" and hung in strategic places the overview and spoke with various (old) Air Force men.

A few weeks ago, an Air Force officer comes to my house asking if I was still looking for the KLU knives. Of course, I look for it and then he takes a blue Victorinox alox Master Craftsman (3rd model) out of his pocket and asks if I want it. He did indicate that the tweezers were missing. I notice then laughing that the value then becomes "less". After some back and forth the deal is closed on 3 pints (Heineken). A deal we are both happy with. :cheers: :cheers:
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