Nyogel 760G vs Nano Oil

[space cowboy]

Hey guys! Just got some Nyogel 760G & put it on my Fenix E01 after cleaning the threads twice. Seems to have really smoothed out the twist action pretty good. Is the Nano Oil even better? I can turn on the Fenix with one hand now.

[Blackbeard]

Hey guys! Just got some Nyogel 760G & put it on my Fenix E01 after cleaning the threads twice. Seems to have really smoothed out the twist action pretty good. Is the Nano Oil even better? I can turn on the Fenix with one hand now.

Not sure what nano oil is composed of, but you don't want to put any petroleum base lubricants on your flashlight threads because it will cause the o rings to break down.

[space cowboy]

I have read that Nano Oil has sub atomic diamond nano particles that adhere to everthing including O rings. Not quite sure if its any better than Nyogel 760G though. I think NutSak has used both though. Some of our Brit Friends also use Nano Oil. Just wondering if there is a big difference?

[Blackbeard]

well im stumped. been googling and reading threads on CPF and nano oil website and cant find the ngredients. Stick with the nyogel or other silicone/teflon based lubricants like super-lube.

[space cowboy]

I read that Super Lube was good. I can't find it in the sticks of Missouri though.

[jzmtl]

well im stumped. been googling and reading threads on CPF and nano oil website and cant find the ngredients. Stick with the nyogel or other silicone/teflon based lubricants like super-lube.

Of course not, when has snake oil salesman ever told anybody what's it made of? Some people started question St. Clair on some technical questions, and he disappeared real fast from that thread.

[NutSAK]

Hey guys! Just got some Nyogel 760G & put it on my Fenix E01 after cleaning the threads twice. Seems to have really smoothed out the twist action pretty good. Is the Nano Oil even better? I can turn on the Fenix with one hand now.

Not sure what nano oil is composed of, but you don't want to put any petroleum base lubricants on your flashlight threads because it will cause the o rings to break down.

That would depend upon the composition of the orings.  Nitrile is the most common elastomer used in o-rings these days, and they have excellent resistance to petroleum based oils.

With that said, I prefer Nano-Oil for threads, especially if they're bare (not anodized).  It takes very little of the stuff to lubricate; in fact, you can apply it for a few days and wipe it off with a dry cloth and the threads will still remain smooth.  This creates a surface that is much less prone to contamination than a grease.  I never see any grey alox contamination when I use Nano-oil like I do when I use a grease such as nyogel or silicone on bare threads.  I do find that a grease is a better solution for keeping o-rings lubed over long periods of time, however.

YMMV

Of course not, when has snake oil salesman ever told anybody what's it made of?

I'm curious, what experience have you had with Nano-Oil that led you to label it "snake oil"?

[Blackbeard]

Well , I've had the unfortunate luck of having to work with fuel oil in the past and I have used nitrile gloves which will start to break down after prolonged exposure to the fuel oil, but they do last alot longer than standard surgical gloves, so I will still be a bit leary of using any petroleum based products on my flashlights. And we still haven't determined what the nano-oil is made of, but the word oil bothers me.

I'll grant you that the nitrile gloves are much thinner than an oring, and fuel oil is alot more corrosive than lubricants you can use on threads, but I wouldnt want my orings to fail at the wrong time. O-rings might be cheap to replace, but most flashlights with IPX waterproof standards are not.

[jzmtl]

I'm curious, what experience have you had with Nano-Oil that led you to label it "snake oil"?

The whole description/advertising of it, just reeks of snake oil. Like how they invented these high tech sounding names, yet refuse to elaborate any detail on how they work, and totally avoid any technical related questions.

I've never tested the various oil on flashlights, but for knives I've tried a few of these high dollar lubricants, and they all works about as well as regular motor oil.

[NutSAK]

I suggest you try it before passing judgment.  I've not used any lubricant that is slicker on metal shearing parts (threads, handgun slides, bolt actions, etc.).

As for the interaction of Nano-Oil & orings, I can understand the concern.  I've been using Nano-oil long enough on orings that I would have experienced swelling or deterioration by now if it were an issue, so I don't worry about it.

I'm not trying to talk anyone into using any lubricant, I'm just trying to give the OP the opinion he was asking for.  Both lubricants are very good for the purpose, so use what you're comfortable with.

The whole description/advertising of it, just reeks of snake oil. Like how they invented these high tech sounding names, yet refuse to elaborate any detail on how they work

I wouldn't say there's a complete lack of elaboration of the product, but certainly not all the details I'd like to see:

"At only 0.090 micron in size, the active molecules in Nano-Oil       by StClaire  are called Nano-Bearings
 they truly are within the nano scale technology (the width of human hair is between  50  to 100 microns)
( 1 micron = 1000 nanometers )

Imagine  50 millions Nano-Bearings  per square millimeters of contact surface on metal to metal all doing  their job of substantially reducing friction while keeping equipment cooler.
the Nano-Bearings  molecules are magnetically induced ( really negatively charged ) to adhere to microscopic crevices and actually penetrate metals,  providing a very - low friction -  dynamic contact ."

[jzmtl]

I've already tried enough knife lubricants and finding no difference from one that's basically free, so not too inclined to drop more money on oil, especially when what I use right now works well. As far as their description goes, it's a lot of words without really saying much.

[space cowboy]

Guess I will stick with the Nyogel for now. Its used by Surefire & Fenix on their lights I have read. Might try the Nano Oil down the road.

[NutSAK]

In my experience, there is a significant difference between this oil and any other oil I've used in some applications, and I can give some of my own examples where Nano-oil performed with a dramatic improvement.  One is a Victorinox Farmer I own that is peined very tightly and had zero "snap" when closing the main blade, and had to be lightly forced closed.  I had tried mineral oil, 3-in-1, 10w-30 motor oil, 5w-30 synthetic and Break-Free CLP with cleanings in-between, with no change in the action.  It became a "shelf queen" that that point.  I had given up on carrying the knife until couple of years ago when I cleaned it again, applied a small amount of Nano-oil and after working it back and forth a few times, the main blade snapped closed like a normal SAK.  I haven't added any more since then, and carry the knife nearly every day.  It has been cleaned several times, and it still works the same after the base oil is virtually gone.

I don't think it's necessary to use Nano-Oil on flashlight threads.  Nor do I think it (or Nyogel) is a requirement where silicone oring grease or other inexpensive lubricant works just fine.  But for me, in certain cases including sticky flashlight threads, it has worked better than Nyogel and any of the other lubricants I listed above.

That's my final $.02 on the subject...

[space cowboy]

Thanks for that info NutSak! Now I have to order some next month for sure.

[Pacu]

maybe Nano oil is Area 51 technology from the Skunk Works lab......

better not ask TOO many questions

[Magnus]

I would be interested in know what is in it myself, or at least seeing a MSDS

[Neil]

Lack of an MSDS would stop me putting it on SAKs as they can get used for food prep 

A quick warning to anyone about the little plastic tubes that Nano Oil comes in, they split  



I believe they sell a more robust applicator and this is probably what they should be supplied with.

[John]

Nano-oil MSDS 

Hope this helps guys      Neil! best not to use with food  
http://www.nano-oil.com/Nano-Oil_MSDS_NLNA-5-10-85_20070415_.pdf

[Magnus]

Nano-oil MSDS 

Hope this helps guys      Neil! best not to use with food 
http://www.nano-oil.com/Nano-Oil_MSDS_NLNA-5-10-85_20070415_.pdf

hmm...

what makes you say it isn't good for food?  this:

Oral Toxicity:  based on component data and or similar materials, higher than 5 Grams per Kilogram in Rats.

seems to indicate otherwise.

[Neil]

Nano-oil MSDS 

Hope this helps guys      Neil! best not to use with food  
http://www.nano-oil.com/Nano-Oil_MSDS_NLNA-5-10-85_20070415_.pdf

thanks John

[Blackbeard]

Well that confirms my petroleum fears and "trade secret mixture"  whatever could that be? If you did consume it maybe nano parts make you into a cyborg?

[John]

Nano-oil MSDS 

Hope this helps guys      Neil! best not to use with food 
http://www.nano-oil.com/Nano-Oil_MSDS_NLNA-5-10-85_20070415_.pdf

hmm...

what makes you say it isn't good for food?  this:

Oral Toxicity:  based on component data and or similar materials, higher than 5 Grams per Kilogram in Rats.

seems to indicate otherwise.

You could be right  it's just that I read that in the personal hygiene paragraph when handling hydrocarbons salute:

[jzmtl]

Nano-oil MSDS 

Hope this helps guys      Neil! best not to use with food 
http://www.nano-oil.com/Nano-Oil_MSDS_NLNA-5-10-85_20070415_.pdf

hmm...

what makes you say it isn't good for food?  this:

Oral Toxicity:  based on component data and or similar materials, higher than 5 Grams per Kilogram in Rats.

seems to indicate otherwise.

Not a good indication, it only show immediate effect but nothing long term, motor oil has similar oral toxicity but you wouldn't want any of that in your food either. MSDS does show it contain petroleum product, so avoid it in your food.

[John]

Yep I'm not going to use my Nano-oil as a salad dressing in a hurry  

[space cowboy]

The Nyogel seems to be very good so far. I put it on my Arc AAA & my Fenix E01. It seems like a very light grease & close to oil but, not oil like properties. Both lights are very smooth now. Better than the plumbers grease I used before which was kind of thick.

[NutSAK]

Maybe you should stick with what works.  Nyogel seems to be working well for you.

Though Nano-Oil has its uses, and is better than any lube I've tried for specific purposes, Nyogel is probably a better all-around lube for flashlight threads and orings.  If I'm using Nano-Oil, I usually apply it only to the threads, and a silicone grease to the orings.  That can be a hassle at times.

[space cowboy]

Yes NutSak.. Its not the greatest but, seems to do the job on threads & O rings. It is a very thin grease compared to the plumbers grease I used before. I only got a tube after research & finding Fenix & Surefire uses it. Pretty good testimony from two of the big boy's. Really, only time will tell.

[Nano-Oil.com]

well im stumped. been googling and reading threads on CPF and nano oil website and cant find the ngredients. Stick with the nyogel or other silicone/teflon based lubricants like super-lube.

Of course not, when has snake oil salesman ever told anybody what's it made of? Some people started question St. Clair on some technical questions, and he disappeared real fast from that thread.

Hello Jzmtl,

Since when has Christian StClaire disappeared from any scrutiny??

I am quite visible for who wants to see me, accessable for  who wants to contact me,
Some even say I am actually friendly 

Have a good day.

[Freudian Frog]

well im stumped. been googling and reading threads on CPF and nano oil website and cant find the ngredients. Stick with the nyogel or other silicone/teflon based lubricants like super-lube.

Of course not, when has snake oil salesman ever told anybody what's it made of? Some people started question St. Clair on some technical questions, and he disappeared real fast from that thread.

Hello Jzmtl,

Since when has Christian StClaire disappeared from any scrutiny??

I am quite visible for who wants to see me, accessable for  who wants to contact me,
Some even say I am actually friendly 

Have a good day.

To be fair you did seem to have somewhat of a hiatus here.

[John]

+1 and who won the last giveaway BTW? 

Thus far nano-oil is doing what it says on the tin for the last 5 years, highly recommended