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Leatherman Juice
on: January 27, 2011, 10:36:05 AM
I ran across a post where it sounded like Leatherman was going to start making a locking blade &/or tools in the Juice series. Or maybe I didn't get their intent right. Anyway, I ran across this forum & figured this would be the place to ask. :)

Also, I just received a Juice S2 from Amazon & it has plain-edge scissors. I believe they went to serrated scissors awhile back. Or did they return to the plain-edge variety recently? Just trying to figure out if I got the newest model.

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Re: Leatherman Juice
Reply #1 on: January 27, 2011, 12:29:02 PM
The little serrations on the juice scissors are near the tip, and the rest of the scissors have a plain edge.


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Reply #2 on: January 27, 2011, 12:46:10 PM
The little serrations on the juice scissors are near the tip, and the rest of the scissors have a plain edge.

Those serrations are small! I didn't notice them upon initial inspection. They're barley visible (at least at my age, LOL).

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Re: Leatherman Juice
Reply #3 on: January 27, 2011, 03:10:40 PM
BTW, this is probably a dumb question, but does anybody know what those microscopic serrations are for? Since they only cover around 1/3 of the length of the blades, is there a special purpose?

Just curious.


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Reply #4 on: January 27, 2011, 07:56:35 PM
I hear they are there to help cut. the scissors are tighter next to the pivot and don't need the serrations but towards the tip the scissors can be farther apart when cutting.


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Re: Leatherman Juice
Reply #5 on: January 27, 2011, 11:42:08 PM
I want an s2.
did u get orange or the sliver?
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Re: Leatherman Juice
Reply #6 on: January 28, 2011, 01:05:33 AM
I can't say I've heard anything about changes to the Juice line, but there are folks here who might know better.  The new Sidekick and Wingman are coming out later this year and seem to be sized somewhere between the Juice and the Kick etc, the post you refereed to couldn't be talking about them could it?
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Re: Leatherman Juice
Reply #7 on: January 28, 2011, 06:59:54 PM
I hear they are there to help cut. the scissors are tighter next to the pivot and don't need the serrations but towards the tip the scissors can be farther apart when cutting.

I appreciate the info, scrappy.



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Re: Leatherman Juice
Reply #8 on: January 28, 2011, 07:05:09 PM
I want an s2.
did u get orange or the sliver?

I got the silver (they call it storm gray). It's really a unique color. I like it. Not shiny, but not a dull gray, either.

I love the orange, though. Another unique color. Hard to explain. I actually prefer the orange, but since it's for EDC, I went with a basic color.


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Re: Leatherman Juice
Reply #9 on: January 28, 2011, 07:11:08 PM
I can't say I've heard anything about changes to the Juice line, but there are folks here who might know better.  The new Sidekick and Wingman are coming out later this year and seem to be sized somewhere between the Juice and the Kick etc, the post you refereed to couldn't be talking about them could it?

I believe it was on another forum, but not positive. Like I said, though, I might've read it wrong.

I know very little about the engineering on these things, but I'm wondering if the Juice line is even big enough to support locking blades. Doesn't the mechanism which enables it to lock take up space? Probably not a good way to describe it, but again, I'm anything but an engineer. :)
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Re: Leatherman Juice
Reply #10 on: January 28, 2011, 07:36:16 PM
I can't say I've heard anything about changes to the Juice line, but there are folks here who might know better.  The new Sidekick and Wingman are coming out later this year and seem to be sized somewhere between the Juice and the Kick etc, the post you refereed to couldn't be talking about them could it?

I believe it was on another forum, but not positive. Like I said, though, I might've read it wrong.

I know very little about the engineering on these things, but I'm wondering if the Juice line is even big enough to support locking blades. Doesn't the mechanism which enables it to lock take up space? Probably not a good way to describe it, but again, I'm anything but an engineer. :)

It seems perfectly feasible to get a liner lock onto the very outside blades IMO, but the internal screwdrivers would be a different story altogether I think.  I'm also not sure they need it, I've been using my Juice pretty hard since I got it the other week and have had no issues with the drivers folding back (same story with my Kick which I've had far longer).
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Re: Leatherman Juice
Reply #11 on: January 28, 2011, 11:55:58 PM
I've gone for years without locking blades, so did my dad, and his grandfather, and his father. There was a time when all you had were slipjoints, and we all got by just fine. I think that if you're exerting so much force that you need a locking blade, then you either need to sharpen your knife or rethink using a knife for that particular cutting job.  :salute:


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Re: Leatherman Juice
Reply #12 on: January 29, 2011, 12:15:39 AM
I've gone for years without locking blades, so did my dad, and his grandfather, and his father. There was a time when all you had were slipjoints, and we all got by just fine. I think that if you're exerting so much force that you need a locking blade, then you either need to sharpen your knife or rethink using a knife for that particular cutting job.  :salute:

this is 2011.  technology is outstanding!

we will soon have robots that vacuum our houses for us and do our chores.
We will discover other planets and lifeforms.
but locking blades?..........nope! :pok:
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Re: Leatherman Juice
Reply #13 on: January 29, 2011, 05:52:34 PM
ive never needed  a locking blade in my life for what ive been doing.i wish that  coma nys who make all these super knives would make some none locking ones also saving the fuss of unlocking after use.my favorat knife is the most simple a opinel no6 with the lock removed used it for a while now never had it close on fingers or cause trouble ever.
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Re: Leatherman Juice
Reply #14 on: January 31, 2011, 04:26:46 AM
Just wanted to comment on the bottle/can opener on my Juice S2. I've seen a lot of mixed reviews on the opener, but I tried it out on a can of tuna & it couldn't have been easier. I was expecting the process to be difficult due to the aformentioned reviews, but that simply wasn't the case.

I have strong hands & I'm sure that helps, but my guess is most any teenager (male or female) could open a can with this thing. I'm kind of puzzled why the can opener gets bad reviews. Maybe Leatherman has improved their design, not sure (this is my first multi-tool of any kind), but mine worked great.

Obviously, this isn't the ideal way to open a can (using a fairly small multi-tool), but like I said, it wasn't difficult at all. I'm thinking some of the bad reviews might be from people who aren't using the right technique for whatever reason. That said, as with any brand, I'm sure a portion of them were due to the tool being defective in one way or another.

I'm going to try it on different types of cans, but from what I can tell by my first experience, I believe this can opener will work on just about anything. Thoughts?

« Last Edit: January 31, 2011, 05:02:37 AM by cf »


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Re: Leatherman Juice
Reply #15 on: January 31, 2011, 04:49:54 AM
Possibly, people are comparing it to the SAK can opener, which is considered a minor marvel of engineering. (Something only I can make a mess of.)

I carry an orange S2. I also love the color. I'm even fond of the visual pun.


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Re: Leatherman Juice
Reply #16 on: January 31, 2011, 09:50:48 AM
Just wanted to comment on the bottle/can opener on my Juice S2. I've seen a lot of mixed reviews on the opener, but I tried it out on a can of tuna & it couldn't have been easier. I was expecting the process to be difficult due to the aformentioned reviews, but that simply wasn't the case.

I have strong hands & I'm sure that helps, but my guess is most any teenager (male or female) could open a can with this thing. I'm kind of puzzled why the can opener gets bad reviews. Maybe Leatherman has improved their design, not sure (this is my first multi-tool of any kind), but mine worked great.

Obviously, this isn't the ideal way to open a can (using a fairly small multi-tool), but like I said, it wasn't difficult at all. I'm thinking some of the bad reviews might be from people who aren't using the right technique for whatever reason. That said, as with any brand, I'm sure a portion of them were due to the tool being defective in one way or another.

I'm going to try it on different types of cans, but from what I can tell by my first experience, I believe this can opener will work on just about anything. Thoughts?

I did a comparison with a Vic Deluxe Tinker (in the reviews section), and my Juice failed to get started. I put a couple of pics up showing how the Juice doesn't have a penetrating point. Once the Vic had started it and already produced a "tear" in the can, the Juice was able to complete the job in the same number of swipes as the Vic. Two flaws on mine - badly designed point wouldn't penetrate, plus poor standard of manufacture. The awl also failed in use due to the same two reasons. There were plenty of other flaws too, but at least the other tools functioned.


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Re: Leatherman Juice
Reply #17 on: February 01, 2011, 06:44:23 AM
Mine really doesn't have a "point", either. It's kind of rounded. In fact, by just looking at it, & with the bad reviews, I wasn't sure it would even work, LOL. Like I said, though, it breezed through the tuna can. I haven't had a chance to test it again, but I'm definitely going to do that.

It's interesting yours failed to even puncture it. It must be flawed somehow. Anyway, I was totally impressed by how easy it was to open a can with mine. Did they improve their design or something? I have no idea, but it works great now (or at least mine did).


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Re: Leatherman Juice
Reply #18 on: February 01, 2011, 10:54:42 AM
On the subject of the can opener I find that it takes quite a bit of pressure to get it started but once the initial puncture is made, it's pretty much as good as anything else.

From the box, the awl works OK on soft stuff like plaster board. With a minute or so spent sharpening it becomes a pretty good tool, still not up to the standard of the ones on alox Vics maybe but definitely usable.

That said, it is strange that Leatherman don't sharpen the awl and can opener in the factory, I can't imagine that it would cost much  ???
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Re: Leatherman Juice
Reply #19 on: February 01, 2011, 11:20:45 AM
About the can opener, I made a small mod on my Juice s2 (pics)
I hope I don't get persecuted on this mod, there are some LM-fanatics here!
It's a small hook. Too bad the steel quality isn't as good as a charge hook, for instance, so it doesn't retain edge as long and doesn't cut as well, but it's ok to cut small ropes. It's just useful to have a one-hand opening hook on such a small tool.

I also find the tip of the can opener (the blade) perfect to open packages --- it's one hand opened and you aren't ruining the edge of your main knife.

I have 2 s2's and have seen an Xe6 (they aren't too popular here in Brazil), and from my experience build quality varies... this Xe6 was impossible to open the drivers, one of my s2 has a bad scissor spring and the other is (luckily) perfect.

I just hoped the S2 had a pocket clip and the width was the same in both sides (either lose the can opener or add a file, awl or serrated blade!). As for lockable one-hand opening blade, that would be perfect, but I feel that's just asking too much for       :)
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Re: Leatherman Juice
Reply #20 on: February 01, 2011, 12:56:16 PM
About the can opener, I made a small mod on my Juice s2 (pics) .......

I also find the tip of the can opener (the blade) perfect to open packages --- it's one hand opened and you aren't ruining the edge of your main knife.

I have 2 s2's and have seen an Xe6 (they aren't too popular here in Brazil), and from my experience build quality varies... this Xe6 was impossible to open the drivers, one of my s2 has a bad scissor spring and the other is (luckily) perfect.

Like the mod ... and good tip on the package opening. :tu:
As for build quality, yeah - it's gotta be the case with the issues I've had with LM and the rave reviews others give. Expensive lottery to play though, I gambled twice and lost.  :pommel:

As for the can opener, I'd probably have more luck using this method, but I wouldn't recommend it for soup  >:D

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Re: Leatherman Juice
Reply #21 on: February 01, 2011, 06:21:23 PM
i like the older style leatherman more than the newer stuff on the juice the old sideclip was a good compromise in size and tools and had torx bolts to me that beats the juice.for  siccors i always have a mini champ on me anyways.
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Re: Leatherman Juice
Reply #22 on: February 15, 2011, 09:35:07 AM
I have not tried the can opener on the LM juice, but the bottle opener works really well.
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Re: Leatherman Juice
Reply #23 on: February 22, 2011, 06:32:49 PM
About the can opener, I made a small mod on my Juice s2 (pics)
I hope I don't get persecuted on this mod, there are some LM-fanatics here!
It's a small hook. Too bad the steel quality isn't as good as a charge hook, for instance, so it doesn't retain edge as long and doesn't cut as well, but it's ok to cut small ropes. It's just useful to have a one-hand opening hook on such a small tool.

I also find the tip of the can opener (the blade) perfect to open packages --- it's one hand opened and you aren't ruining the edge of your main knife.

I have 2 s2's and have seen an Xe6 (they aren't too popular here in Brazil), and from my experience build quality varies... this Xe6 was impossible to open the drivers, one of my s2 has a bad scissor spring and the other is (luckily) perfect.

I just hoped the S2 had a pocket clip and the width was the same in both sides (either lose the can opener or add a file, awl or serrated blade!). As for lockable one-hand opening blade, that would be perfect, but I feel that's just asking too much for       :)


Hi Leguas,

It's great to have another brazilian LM fan here! I am looking your photo here, and it seems quite a good mod!
I almost got a Xe6 myself but, as I already have a Surge (a perfect, hard-ass and beloved one) I wanted a pocket EDC, and the Cs4 have all I need, so I chose the all-I-need-with-nothing-else.

Also got a Charge AL for my father. He had lost two LM's (I guess they were PST's, but can't remember). After several years without a LM he is very pleased to have a edge tool again.

You know how hard is to get one of those in Brazil. They cost about three times the US prices so a flaw in your MT is like a stab on your heart.


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Re: Leatherman Juice
Reply #24 on: February 25, 2011, 02:06:29 AM
How does the thickness of a s2 and kf4 compare to the pulse. Im trying to find something just a little thinner and shorter than  the pulse to put in a niteize pouch with my phone.


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Reply #25 on: February 25, 2011, 04:41:44 AM
How does the thickness of a s2 and kf4 compare to the pulse. Im trying to find something just a little thinner and shorter than  the pulse to put in a niteize pouch with my phone.

I just looked at mine... The KF4 is about the same thickness, maybe a hair thicker. The S2 is definetly thinner.


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Re: Leatherman Juice
Reply #26 on: February 25, 2011, 11:00:04 PM
I can't say I've heard anything about changes to the Juice line, but there are folks here who might know better.  The new Sidekick and Wingman are coming out later this year and seem to be sized somewhere between the Juice and the Kick etc, the post you refereed to couldn't be talking about them could it?

I believe it was on another forum, but not positive. Like I said, though, I might've read it wrong.

I know very little about the engineering on these things, but I'm wondering if the Juice line is even big enough to support locking blades. Doesn't the mechanism which enables it to lock take up space? Probably not a good way to describe it, but again, I'm anything but an engineer. :)

It seems perfectly feasible to get a liner lock onto the very outside blades IMO, but the internal screwdrivers would be a different story altogether I think.  I'm also not sure they need it, I've been using my Juice pretty hard since I got it the other week and have had no issues with the drivers folding back (same story with my Kick which I've had far longer).

I am pretty sure I have seen someone post pics here of a Juice modded to be a liner lock. I just can't remember who it was, maybe J-Sews with the SuperJuice, or Andreas, or Evil?
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Re: Leatherman Juice
Reply #27 on: February 25, 2011, 11:56:40 PM
I can't say I've heard anything about changes to the Juice line, but there are folks here who might know better.  The new Sidekick and Wingman are coming out later this year and seem to be sized somewhere between the Juice and the Kick etc, the post you refereed to couldn't be talking about them could it?

I believe it was on another forum, but not positive. Like I said, though, I might've read it wrong.

I know very little about the engineering on these things, but I'm wondering if the Juice line is even big enough to support locking blades. Doesn't the mechanism which enables it to lock take up space? Probably not a good way to describe it, but again, I'm anything but an engineer. :)

It seems perfectly feasible to get a liner lock onto the very outside blades IMO, but the internal screwdrivers would be a different story altogether I think.  I'm also not sure they need it, I've been using my Juice pretty hard since I got it the other week and have had no issues with the drivers folding back (same story with my Kick which I've had far longer).

I am pretty sure I have seen someone post pics here of a Juice modded to be a liner lock. I just can't remember who it was, maybe J-Sews with the SuperJuice, or Andreas, or Evil?

IIRC Andreas put a liner lock onto a Squirt. :)
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Re: Leatherman Juice
Reply #28 on: February 26, 2011, 02:07:37 AM
How does the thickness of a s2 and kf4 compare to the pulse. Im trying to find something just a little thinner and shorter than  the pulse to put in a niteize pouch with my phone.

I just looked at mine... The KF4 is about the same thickness, maybe a hair thicker. The S2 is definetly thinner.
Awesome, thanks!


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Re: Leatherman Juice
Reply #29 on: February 26, 2011, 02:36:02 AM
How does the thickness of a s2 and kf4 compare to the pulse. Im trying to find something just a little thinner and shorter than  the pulse to put in a niteize pouch with my phone.

I just looked at mine... The KF4 is about the same thickness, maybe a hair thicker. The S2 is definetly thinner.
Awesome, thanks!
No problem. :salute: Still, you should probably find a KF4 for yourself anyway. :D


 

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