Why a brass pin on the Spirit scissors?

Singh · **on:** February 11, 2012, 07:21:11 PM

I searched and found nothing about this: Why does the Swisstool Spirit use a brass pin on the scissors?

stressmaster5000 · **Reply #1 on:** February 11, 2012, 07:47:04 PM

Because Gold is just too darned expensive!

ICanFixThat · **Reply #2 on:** February 12, 2012, 03:55:52 AM

I REALLY doubt it is brass, phosphorous bronze maybe. Mine on my Silver original model does not look like either (nor on the BO S version). How about some pictures or more information on exactly what model you're talking about and why you think it is brass?

Singh · **Reply #3 on:** February 12, 2012, 05:22:40 AM

It's a Spirit X. The pin holding the scissors is brass colored. So I figured it's either brass, or bronze.

I have Swisstool RS that has a steel pin in the scissors, and Vic SAK scissors use steel pins. The Spirit is the only one that's different and I was wondering why.

ICanFixThat · **Reply #4 on:** February 12, 2012, 05:39:46 AM

I can't check my Spirit-X right now, it might be something new. A Phosphor bronze or other bronze alloy would likely be great as it is very strong and very low friction. It has many other ideal mechanical properties. This would be great.

Singh · **Reply #5 on:** February 12, 2012, 05:45:46 AM

here's the best picture I could take:

jazzbass · **Reply #6 on:** February 12, 2012, 05:51:51 AM

Makes sense to me. 91mm Vics have had what looks to be a brass rivet in the scissors starting a year or so ago. Like you say, hard to photograph but they sure look brass to me.

Singh · **Reply #7 on:** February 12, 2012, 06:01:17 AM

Quote from: jazzbass on February 12, 2012, 05:51:51 AM

Makes sense to me. 91mm Vics have had what looks to be a brass rivet in the scissors starting a year or so ago. Like you say, hard to photograph but they sure look brass to me.

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I checked my 91mm SAKS and the newest one DOES have a brass pin, but the older 91mms have steel pins. I wonder why they changed it?

Accujohn · **Reply #8 on:** February 12, 2012, 06:28:48 AM

Same, just slightly yellow on my sak

Dunc · **Reply #9 on:** February 12, 2012, 10:59:33 AM

Shamus how long have you owned your Spirit and did you buy it new ? Just trying to find out roughly at the minute when this change took place .

Reinier · **Reply #10 on:** February 12, 2012, 11:45:20 AM

Quote from: stressmaster5000 on February 11, 2012, 07:47:04 PM

Because Gold is just too darned expensive!

I make similar jokes at work almost every day. My co-workers hate me for that

Gareth · **Reply #11 on:** February 12, 2012, 12:02:50 PM

Well that's an interesting development.

My Spirit X is a little over a year and a half old and has a plain old steel pin.

ICanFixThat · **Reply #12 on:** February 12, 2012, 12:48:37 PM

I'm betting Phosphor Bronze, or similar, alloy. Ideal material for pivot that needs to be strong and last. Should allow for tighter tolerances in the joint. Nice discovery!

Top-Gear-24 · **Reply #13 on:** February 12, 2012, 02:08:49 PM

Just checked all my Victorinox scissors:

Huntsman: brass colored
Explorer: brass colored
Swisschamp Black: brass colored
Swisschamp Red: steel
Spirit Road Tour: brass colored
Signature Lite: steel

All of these were bought in the first half of 2011

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ICanFixThat · **Reply #14 on:** February 12, 2012, 03:09:08 PM

Nice! I know I have not been paying as much attention lately, but I must have been sleeping to miss this. Here is a recent Huntsman scissor pivot.

Singh · **Reply #15 on:** February 12, 2012, 03:52:14 PM

Quote from: Dunc on February 12, 2012, 10:59:33 AM

Shamus how long have you owned your Spirit and did you buy it new ? Just trying to find out roughly at the minute when this change took place .

I bought it new, around July 2011

and for the record, I'm not pleased about this change.

Carlos · **Reply #16 on:** February 12, 2012, 03:56:30 PM

I have noted the "brass colored" pivot on the 91mm earlier this year, when I got a CT34.
See text and pictures #2 and #3 of this post: http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,2881.msg554412.html#msg554412

ICanFixThat · **Reply #17 on:** February 12, 2012, 04:12:33 PM

Quote from: shamus on February 12, 2012, 03:52:14 PM

....
and for the record, I'm not pleased about this change.

Any why is that, is that because you are assuming it is brass? Have you had any problem with it? I would expect it to be a bronze alloy and it would be a nice improvement. With a life time warranty I'm sure they would not have made a change that is not beneficial.

Reinier · **Reply #18 on:** February 12, 2012, 04:16:08 PM

Quote from: Carlos on February 12, 2012, 03:56:30 PM

I have noted the "brass colored" pivot on the 91mm earlier this year, when I got a CT34.
See text and pictures #2 and #3 of this post: http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,2881.msg554412.html#msg554412

Thanks! I knew it was mentioned before but couldn't find that post

Singh · **Reply #19 on:** February 12, 2012, 04:21:26 PM

Quote from: ICanFixThat on February 12, 2012, 04:12:33 PM

Quote from: shamus on February 12, 2012, 03:52:14 PM
....
and for the record, I'm not pleased about this change.

Any why is that, is that because you are assuming it is brass? Have you had any problem with it? I would expect it to be a bronze alloy and it would be a nice improvement. With a life time warranty I'm sure they would not have made a change that is not beneficial.

I'm sure brass or bronze alloy is fine, but stainless steel is better.

from what I read about bronze alloys, they work better for friction points, and have a measure of corrosion resistance (unlike brass which oxidizes). And while a stainless steel pivot is
more durable, maybe it's hardness might wear the scissors down? I really don't know.

Carlos · **Reply #20 on:** February 12, 2012, 10:28:53 PM

While I don't have a technical opinion about that, aesthetically having all inox parts looks better, imo.

Dunc · **Reply #21 on:** February 14, 2012, 07:59:48 PM

I received a Spirit today as a gift and I can confirm it has the brass/bronze pin in the scissors .The date on the user guide 2010 .

Ashley · **Reply #22 on:** February 14, 2012, 08:55:51 PM

My on the road tour edition spirit x has a brass scissors pin

Sent from Ash forum mobile

Singh · **Reply #23 on:** February 18, 2012, 02:50:11 AM

Is Wenger also doing this?

If not, then I have one more reason to give a Wenger a try.

Accujohn · **Reply #24 on:** February 18, 2012, 03:23:47 AM

They make the best scissors on a MT so I'm sure whatever the metal it's to make them even better

Singh · **Reply #25 on:** February 19, 2012, 11:09:08 PM

The thing to figure out: is the pin brass or phosphor bronze?

MirrorEdge · **Reply #26 on:** February 20, 2012, 03:18:19 PM

Quote from: shamus on February 19, 2012, 11:09:08 PM

The thing to figure out: is the pin brass or phosphor bronze?

Ask the guys in victorinox

Dunc · **Reply #27 on:** February 20, 2012, 03:40:51 PM

Quote from: 3bdul3zeez on February 20, 2012, 03:18:19 PM

Quote from: shamus on February 19, 2012, 11:09:08 PM
The thing to figure out: is the pin brass or phosphor bronze?
Ask the guys in victorinox

I already have

just waiting to hear back .

GigaHz · **Reply #28 on:** February 20, 2012, 03:55:15 PM

It could be oil impregnated brass. They would never require lubrication. This has been around for 70-80 years.

Singh · **Reply #29 on:** February 21, 2012, 01:44:04 AM

Quote from: Dunc on February 20, 2012, 03:40:51 PM

Quote from: 3bdul3zeez on February 20, 2012, 03:18:19 PM
Quote from: shamus on February 19, 2012, 11:09:08 PM
The thing to figure out: is the pin brass or phosphor bronze?
Ask the guys in victorinox

I already have just waiting to hear back .

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