Thank you Derkmac for confirming for me here, that it IS worth it to do this to a WJ.
Greg, if you don't mind me saying, that's a rather "slick (er)" looking Jeep in those pics.Eh? See what I did there?
Nice one Terry!Be way cooler if you had a Bronco though...... Def
Kinda sacrilege for a Jeep thread, but since I've seen some Landy's and other awesome trucks in here, OK... Here's my '67:(Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)
Quote from: NutSAK on September 03, 2018, 08:13:07 PMKinda sacrilege for a Jeep thread, but since I've seen some Landy's and other awesome trucks in here, OK... Here's my '67:(Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)VERY cool, Nut!If ONLY Ford would make their upcoming Ford Bronco re-release like this one...Based on the latest Jeep Cherokee and Chevy Blazer, I think not. One can hope. If not like this, then at least, please God, at least like the '78.
Hello JK owners! First let me say congratulations. There is now a Jeep that is newer than yours. As I’m sure you all know, every Jeep newer than the generation that you own is an abomination that must be shunned. For the last 11 years it was YOU the JK owners that carried the burden of having the smurfty new Jeep. But now, with the reveal of the new JL Wrangler you no longer are stuck with the worst Jeep ever made! However, it’s not time to celebrate yet. There’s a lot of work to be done before you’re truly ready to pass the torch of shame on to the next generation.CJ, YJ, and TJ owners have all gone through this process before and now it’s your turn to join us in the traditional hating of the new Jeep! To help you though this exciting and emotional time I have prepared this simple step by step guide on how exactly to hate new Jeeps while establishing the JK as the last truly great Jeep.Step 1 - Announce the death of Jeep:The first step is the most important. Jeep has suffered many deaths over the its 76 year existence. In a futile and foolish attempt to keep up with market and regulatory demands, Jeep’s many owners made various changes to the very core and soul of Jeep itself ultimately leading to the total death and failure of the brand.These announcements usually take the form of “Jeep died in _______ when _______ took over and made the ________.”Let’s look at a few examples of past deaths:"Jeep died in 1970 when AMC took over and made the CJ-7.""Jeep died in 1987 when Chrysler took over and made the YJ.""Jeep died in 1997 when Daimler took over and made the TJ.""Jeep died in 2007 when Chrysler took over again and made the JK."So now say it with me, “Jeep died in 2018 when Fiat took over and made them make the JL.” Now of course some people may not understand why a new model immediately marks the death of Jeep. That's why we need to explain it to them in simple terms.Step 2 - Develop a rallying cry:Every new Jeep has changes. Everyone hates changes. Choose what you believe is the most egregious of these changes and form your campaign behind it. The fact that the new Jeep has or doesn’t have this feature means that it isn’t a real Jeep. This will be your rallying cry. Put it on bumper stickers, in your signature, your flair, or in the posts you make. Let’s take a look at some past examples:Real Jeeps have round headlights!Real Jeeps have two doors!Real Jeeps don’t have air conditioning!Real Jeeps have leaf spring suspension!Real Jeeps don’t have power locks and windows!etc.Now let’s try some of our own,Real Jeeps don’t have an 8 speed transmission!Real Jeeps don’t have LED fender lights!Real Jeeps don’t have an electric drivetrain!etc. Here we’ve established what makes the new Jeep an objectively terrible vehicle, however not everyone will be convinced by a simply catch phrase. That’s where step 3 comes in!Step 3 - Craft your long form rant:Express your displeasure at the dilution of the Jeep community. Establish blame for the death of Jeep. These statements serve the duel purpose of disparaging new Jeep owners and discouraging others from following in their footsteps. This one is easy. Just fill in the blanks.“These new (Model) owners. A bunch of (Group of people typically not associated with Jeep) and (Second Group of people not associated with Jeep)who care more about looks than capability. Jeeps were never meant to have (New feature) but these (Groups chosen before) won’t buy a car without them. What’s next? (Absurd luxury feature)? What happened to making the most capable vehicle they could make? You can’t even get a (Removed feature) anymore because most of these people won’t do any more off-roading than the grass at their local (Location popular with new generation’s current “hip” crowd). It’s not even a real Jeep anymore it’s just (Jeep brand’s current owner) trash. And they’re so expensive too. These people drop (Current MSRP, fully loaded) for what’s basically just a (modern vehicle generally viewed as "uncool") with the Jeep logo. And the ones who modify their Jeeps are just as bad. It’s all just bolt on (Low end parts supplier) bumpers and (Newest vehicle lighting technology) lights. All about appearance and nothing about substance. AND THEY NEVER WAVE!”See? it's easy when you can just reuse old arguments! Now that the Jeep world knows that you’re mad, what do you do?Step 4 - Attack the JL Owners:These people are ruining Jeep and they need to know it! They’re no better than people who bought the Compass. If you see one on this subreddit or elsewhere on other forums let them know that they don’t drive a real Jeep and aren’t welcome here. I know it seems harsh but believe me, the only way to make sure the Jeep community survives is to make sure no new people are allowed in ever.Respond to simple questions with total distain. Downvote pictures of stock JLs or new purchases. Make sure nobody feels welcome. Don’t tell them about the trails you like or offer to go off-roading with them. They are unworthy. If they wanted to get into Jeeps they should have done it the way you did it. You earned your Jeep. You scoured the earth looking for that perfect restorable Jeep. You spent countless hours rebuilding every nut and bolt from scratch. You didn’t just waltz into some dealership and finance some bland new car. You built your Jeep.** Note: If you bought your JK new from a dealership then you should instead tell JL owners that they should have gone back in time and bought a new JK like you did.By now it should be clear to the JL people where they stand in the community. Now we need to make sure it stays that way.Step 5 - Maintain The New Status Quo:This may be the hardest part. As more and more JL owners begin to flood the roads and trails you need to make sure you stick to your guns. The new JL owners may seem nice. Their Jeeps may seem cool or even Jeep like but make no mistake, they are still driving an objectively worse vehicle than yours.NEVER concede that there are good things about the new Jeep. Avoid the mistakes others have made in the past such as:“Man I wish I had air conditioning in my Jeep.”“Coils do ride better on the road.”“Power locks actually sound pretty nice in cold weather.”“Your Jeep DOESN’T leak everywhere?”Saying nice things about the new Jeep should be seen as a sign of weakness. You’re not weak. You’re a JK owner. You may find yourself admiring the JL from afar. You may start reading great things on automotive websites. You may even feel a desire to test drive one yourself. Resist this temptation. The JK is the greatest Jeep ever made.I'm not going to lie to you dear JK owners, Step 5 is where most people fail. For years Jeep owners have tried to definitively prove that their Jeep is the last great Jeep, yet despite this Jeep sales continue stronger than ever. Maybe this can change with you. If enough people hate on the JL with enough forcefulness, you can not only make sure that people know that the JK is the last great Jeep, but make sure that the JK is also the last Jeep period.Which is what we all want… right?That concludes today’s tutorial.QuoteDef
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How can they be good? They are Fiat? Seriously, I think Fiat is doing well to keep the Fiat people away from the Jeep Wrangler as much as possible. The latest round of Jeep updates (JL) are actually quite good, and largely are the things Jeep owners have been asking for for a long time. But, as we've seen from the new Cherokee (which I actually like) and the Renegade (which I hate, and is basically a gussied up Fiat 500x) the "real Jeep guys" don't want to see Fiat parts anywhere on their Jeeps.I personally welcome our new Italian overlords..... but they have to tread very lightly or risk losing the only brand in the Chrysler family that consistently makes money. Def
I have the 1.25 BL and 1" MML installed now. I also have a set of Rock Krawler 3.5" triple rate front coil springs on the way, which should have the front end sitting how I want it. Next weekend I'll be installing my JKS front track bar and the springs.
Quote from: Grant Lamontagne on January 31, 2018, 05:21:45 PMHow can they be good? They are Fiat? Seriously, I think Fiat is doing well to keep the Fiat people away from the Jeep Wrangler as much as possible. The latest round of Jeep updates (JL) are actually quite good, and largely are the things Jeep owners have been asking for for a long time. But, as we've seen from the new Cherokee (which I actually like) and the Renegade (which I hate, and is basically a gussied up Fiat 500x) the "real Jeep guys" don't want to see Fiat parts anywhere on their Jeeps.I personally welcome our new Italian overlords..... but they have to tread very lightly or risk losing the only brand in the Chrysler family that consistently makes money. DefHi Def, Not owning a Wrangler myself, I've picked up an 80-page sales brochure (booklet?) From the dealer. Genuinely curious to know: what in your opinion are the specific updates that Jeep has included in the JL that Wrangler owners have been wanting?Trying to make some decisions over here.Thanks
Quote from: derekmac on October 06, 2018, 09:49:51 PMI have the 1.25 BL and 1" MML installed now. I also have a set of Rock Krawler 3.5" triple rate front coil springs on the way, which should have the front end sitting how I want it. Next weekend I'll be installing my JKS front track bar and the springs.Exciting stuff Derek!My next round of work on the WJ will be complete drag link and complete tie rod and sleeve replacement, followed by lower front control arms. Got all the parts in the back of the WJ now.
Quote from: ThundahBeagle on October 08, 2018, 02:46:30 AMQuote from: derekmac on October 06, 2018, 09:49:51 PMI have the 1.25 BL and 1" MML installed now. I also have a set of Rock Krawler 3.5" triple rate front coil springs on the way, which should have the front end sitting how I want it. Next weekend I'll be installing my JKS front track bar and the springs.Exciting stuff Derek!My next round of work on the WJ will be complete drag link and complete tie rod and sleeve replacement, followed by lower front control arms. Got all the parts in the back of the WJ now.Yep, I can't wait to get everything installed. I have a bit of work to do on the passenger side coil bucket, so I'll be able to get that fixed up then as well.My WJ had the axle side track bar bolt hole wallowed out some, so make sure to check yours when you have it apart. I drilled mine out to the next size up and didn't have any issues with it afterwards.
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