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Vic needs to integrate these ideas from Wenger
on: February 24, 2013, 03:52:00 PM
Since Vic is absorbing Wenger, they now have license to integrate some of Wenger's innovations inot their SAKS.

My list of Wenger innovations they should adapt:

  • Locking inline phlillips
  • Locking flat driver/bottle opener
  • Backsprings that are even with the liners.
  • The springless system on pliers and scissors
  • An option for adjustable pliers or the Vic pliers on SAKS (imagine a Swisschamp with Wenger pliers).
  • Evolution and Evo grips

Discuss.
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Re: Vic needs to integrate these ideas from Wenger
Reply #1 on: February 24, 2013, 04:01:02 PM
I dont have much experience with wenger but seems you like it more than victorinox :P
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Re: Vic needs to integrate these ideas from Wenger
Reply #2 on: February 24, 2013, 04:03:28 PM
There is nothing on your list that I would NOT like on a Vic :)

And also:
  • Full size flip-out scissors and pliers like on the New Rangers
  • Universal wrench

You should seriously visit vicfan.com. All the hoopy froods are doing it.
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Re: Vic needs to integrate these ideas from Wenger
Reply #3 on: February 24, 2013, 04:06:03 PM
We need a tool layer with the Universal Wrench and the Inline Phillips.

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Re: Vic needs to integrate these ideas from Wenger
Reply #4 on: February 24, 2013, 04:08:20 PM
Hmmmm,I'm thinking Mechanical Explorer?

Scissors,Vic inline Philips with Wenger universal wrench,Vic magnifier and a proper led?
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Re: Vic needs to integrate these ideas from Wenger
Reply #5 on: February 24, 2013, 04:09:52 PM
I like springless scissors, but I am not a fan of the "bobbing" of wenger scissors

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Reply #6 on: February 24, 2013, 04:17:31 PM
Woops! I forgot about the wrench!

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Re: Vic needs to integrate these ideas from Wenger
Reply #7 on: February 24, 2013, 04:51:24 PM
I'm learning to appreciate some of the Wenger tools based on getting the Ranger 174, however the Vic pliers are fine, and they accommodate a larger object than the W pliers. I do like the wire cutter on the Ranger, but would like to see it be larger or able to cut Romex in one grab. The fold out handle is comfortable and has a lot of leverage. I would definitely like to see Vic incorporate a standard 1/4" driver somehow in the 111mm line. Even if it's a t-handle style, theres always options for long bits etc. The CT seems limited to it's own bits, but the inline style is preferable to me. I can't tell about the 85mm tools as I have yet to own one, but hopefully soon!  :)

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Re: Vic needs to integrate these ideas from Wenger
Reply #8 on: February 24, 2013, 05:02:59 PM
BTW, That is a Vic mini SD in the corkscrew of the Ranger, I hope that's not too blasphemous to anyone. :angel:
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Re: Vic needs to integrate these ideas from Wenger
Reply #9 on: February 24, 2013, 05:54:51 PM
I think they know better than to mess with the Vic Scissors... sorry... Wenger's are good for somethings.... but Vic are far better in actual use in my experience.  Just the other day with Gaffer's  Tape the Wenger scissors were unable to make a simple cut.  I thought the serrations would be better for this so I had tried them... took my old vic out of my pocket and it cut like butter.

I can also trim closer and cleaner with Vic scissors... Vic scissors are perfect...  :cheers:

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Re: Vic needs to integrate these ideas from Wenger
Reply #10 on: February 24, 2013, 06:57:32 PM
oh yeah, I'll take the non-serrated Vic scissors over the serrated wenger ones, but putting the Wenger springless technology on the Vic scissors would be merging the best of two worlds.
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Reply #11 on: February 24, 2013, 07:11:17 PM
Quote from: shamus on February 24, 2013, 06:57:32 PM
oh yeah, I'll take the non-serrated Vic scissors over the serrated wenger ones, but putting the Wenger springless technology on the Vic scissors would be merging the best of two worlds.
No the current bobble head springless design on the Wenger gives up too much precision, I like SAK scissors for precision.

Of course Vic could adapt and improve the springless design, but I'd have to ask why... nothing wrong with their current scissors.  I don't see anything that needs fixing the current 91mm scissors are just the best small precision scissors in the world.

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Re: Vic needs to integrate these ideas from Wenger
Reply #12 on: February 24, 2013, 07:44:31 PM
Quote from: ICanFixThat on February 24, 2013, 05:54:51 PM
Vic scissors are perfect...
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I've not tried Wenger scissors, but totally agree. I always always have Vic 91mm scissors with me (did I mention always?). One job I was on required we cut 12 ft. sections of landscape fabric from a huge roll. We had a utility knife with a new blade, an old Buck knife, a pair of Fiskars scissors, and a couple pairs of Wiss tin snips on hand, and after some trial and error, ended up using the scissors on my Explorer for the rest of the day. So efficient!
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Re: Vic needs to integrate these ideas from Wenger
Reply #13 on: February 24, 2013, 07:54:03 PM
They can leave out the evo/evolution scales, but the most of the designs would look very goon on a Vic. I'd love a more precise and longer inline phillips + universal wrench layer on a Vic.
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Re: Vic needs to integrate these ideas from Wenger
Reply #14 on: February 24, 2013, 07:55:29 PM
I agree about Vic scissors - definitely wouldn't them to change :ahhh

As for the Wenger bits, I really like the Philips/Wrench layer and would hope that found a place in their future tool line up somewhere.
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Reply #15 on: February 24, 2013, 07:58:22 PM
I better start buying explorers, that wrench has a lot of support here for the mag glass spot!

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Re: Vic needs to integrate these ideas from Wenger
Reply #16 on: February 24, 2013, 08:38:43 PM
Ya I gave the wenger scissors some workout using my s557 and I really dont care for them at all.  The bobbing up and down drives me nuts, and they just dont cut as well as Vics do.

The best tool wenger has from my view is the universal wrench.  Putting that with a phillips would be awesome!

It would be nice if Vic liners and springs were even like wengers though, its such a nicer fit and finish quality.
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Reply #17 on: February 24, 2013, 10:51:58 PM
I'd like to see if Vic would come up with a decent bike tool (with tire irons).
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Reply #18 on: February 25, 2013, 06:45:19 PM
Hmm,. yeah.. the bobbing scissors would not be good.

 I’ll retract the desire for a springless scissors.
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Re: Vic needs to integrate these ideas from Wenger
Reply #19 on: February 25, 2013, 06:55:29 PM
The locking Philips and flat driver would definitely be a great addition!
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Reply #20 on: February 25, 2013, 08:37:47 PM
I've been pocket carrying my S14 for a couple of weeks now, and I have to agree that the Wenger scissors aren't as good as the Vic scissors.  I'm considering gifting the S14 to my son now, who prefers locking blades.  As much as I like the locking blade, I use the scissors more, and I'm finding the Vic scissors are just plain old better.  I would like to see Vic integrate the "springless" design into their scissors though.
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Reply #21 on: February 25, 2013, 08:58:43 PM
I have had the spring in vic scissors break on me once. The knife was only lightly used, had no abuse, and the spring just snapped while cutting. I have never had this happen to any other vic saks so I realize it was probably defective, but I was depending on that spring and it failed. If vic adopted wenger scissors... well I would be extremely unhappy. But if vic kept their scissors looking, feeling, and working the same, but added the springless design that would be awesome! They would be completely reliable but have the great 91mm design that is so loved. Of course, NO BOBBING! Other manufacturers have springless scissors without bobbing so it should not be here either! And I have a question for you guys, do wenger pliers have the same "bobbing" movement as their scissors?

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Re: Vic needs to integrate these ideas from Wenger
Reply #22 on: February 25, 2013, 09:56:32 PM
The locking screwdriver sounds fine, but in practice I prefer the Vic design. I EDCed a Wenger for more than 10 years, during that time the larger hole for the pin inside accumuluted dirt, rendering the lock basically useless. A lock you can't trust is worse than no lock, and in addition this leads to extra wear and tear on the pin. Fine the first few years, a bad idea in the long run, is my personal take on that patent.

Keep complexity out of the basic tools, don't add nooks and crannies for dirt to accumulate, that would be my wish for the future. :)

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Reply #23 on: February 25, 2013, 10:05:33 PM
I agree.  I do like the idea of the autolocking drivers, BUT, in practice I rarely even push hard enough for them to engage, AND, Ive never had vic ones fold on me.  So... really I dont see an advantage.

So Im back to just wanting the universal wrench and flush liners/springs.  :D
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Re: Vic needs to integrate these ideas from Wenger
Reply #24 on: February 25, 2013, 10:30:13 PM
 Another vote for leaving Victorinox scissors as is. They are way better than Wenger's in my opinion, at least they work better for me. The nail file on the 85mm Wengers is superior to Vic's 84mm nail file in my opinion. Other than that I really prefer Victorinox in every way.
 What I am really hoping for is if Wenger is going away that Victorinox will expand their 84mm line. Make scissors and maybe even the wood saw available on a few 84mms. That would be awesome. :gimme: I guess I can at least :drool: dream about it.
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Re: Vic needs to integrate these ideas from Wenger
Reply #25 on: February 26, 2013, 12:42:00 AM
Quote from: shamus on February 24, 2013, 04:17:31 PM
Woops! I forgot about the wrench!

   :twak:     :D

  Universal Wrench, real glass lens magnifier, eye-holed awls, & an electrician or pruner blade in something around 4 layers. Putting the wrench in one of the monster tools is a bit much.
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Re: Vic needs to integrate these ideas from Wenger
Reply #26 on: February 26, 2013, 03:08:25 AM
I just don't see what all the fuss is about. I've always preferred the Vic products over Wenger. There is a reason Wenger went under and Victorinox is still around.
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Re: Vic needs to integrate these ideas from Wenger
Reply #27 on: February 26, 2013, 03:32:24 AM
I'd like the locking screwdrivers. I have had Victorinox screwdrivers fold on me. Carried Wengers for a while and never had that issue.

I like the idea of a locking main blade but I don't like the thinness of the Wenger blades. What I really want is a Farmer with a lock for the main blade and a locking inline Philips and bottle opener/slotted screwdriver.

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Reply #28 on: February 26, 2013, 03:45:45 AM
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I'd like the locking screwdrivers. I have had Victorinox screwdrivers fold on me. Carried Wengers for a while and never had that issue.

I like the idea of a locking main blade but I don't like the thinness of the Wenger blades. What I really want is a Farmer with a lock for the main blade and a locking inline Philips and bottle opener/slotted screwdriver.
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Reply #29 on: February 26, 2013, 04:49:23 AM
Quote from: Nhoj on February 26, 2013, 03:45:45 AM
Quote from: gadgetman7 on February 26, 2013, 03:32:24 AM
I'd like the locking screwdrivers. I have had Victorinox screwdrivers fold on me. Carried Wengers for a while and never had that issue.

I like the idea of a locking main blade but I don't like the thinness of the Wenger blades. What I really want is a Farmer with a lock for the main blade and a locking inline Philips and bottle opener/slotted screwdriver.
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