pit bull chew toy

[powernoodle]

I would definitely kill it, either with a .22 rifle or a polish sausage stuffed with rat poison.  Seriously, this would be a no brainer.   This is not advice to you, Lynn.  Just saying what I would have already done.

[captain spaulding]

I would definitely kill it, either with a .22 rifle or a polish sausage stuffed with rat poison.  Seriously, this would be a no brainer.   This is not advice to you, Lynn.  Just saying what I would have already done.

That would be completely illegal and morally wrong in my opinion. If she happens to be armed and gets attacked that's one thing, but planning and executing the killing of any human or animal is illegal.

[Craiger]

I'm trying to stay out of this discussion

Please, try harder! It's obvious which team you are playing for. Save yourself some agitation and take your dog for a walk.

[Craiger]

"That would be completely illegal and morally wrong in my opinion. If she happens to be armed and gets attacked that's one thing, but planning and executing the killing of any human or animal is illegal."

So if Lynn gets mauled to death, or gets her face ripped off, wouldn't that be illegal and morally wrong too?

[Mr. Whippy]

 

Let's keep it civil here folks.  I think we're all concerned for Lynn's welfare and are all animal lovers.  No one is putting one above the other, just looking to strike a balance.

These things can get heated, so I'm asking everyone to be circumspect before posting.

Thanks,

Mr. Whippy and the management. 

[powernoodle]

That would be completely illegal and morally wrong in my opinion.

You are right that it is probably illegal.  Morally wrong?  Well, I respect your opinion.   But there are competing moral interests here, and I choose the one that does not involve having my gonads chewed off by an attack dog.  Lynn has already tried to play nice nice, and it hasn't worked.  When she disappears from MTO because she is working her way through that dog's digestive system, my approach may not seem as morally reprehensible.   But then it will be too late.

If she happens to be armed and gets attacked that's one thing

Maybe getting attacked twice already is enough.  I'm not so hip on the idea of waiting for a third time.  But again, I'm not offering advice.  Just saying what I would have already done.  Rock on.

[captain spaulding]

Everyone has their own opinion. I am not saying the dog should not be put down, but planning to murder the dog is not right in my opinion and you could catch a legal case especially with all the "evidence" of premeditation on the forum. I agree with the dog being dangerous and like I said before if she happens to be attacked again and is armed (with anything) and the dog ends up dead than she is probably doing the community a service and I have no problem with that at all. One should be able to protect themselves from two legged animals as well as four. Moral or not I believe it would be illegal to plan the murder of the dog and we all don't wan't to see Lynn in any trouble. We also don't wan't to see her hurt and thankfully at this time she is alive and well and can plan for the next encounter. I know you would rather there not be a next encounter, but again poisoning a dog will most likely get her more problems then she already has. Likely from police and possible human threats from the neighbors. She just made two new enemies in that situation. I said my peace and respect everyone's opinion on the subject. I will be reading this thread, but will try to stay out of it. I hope Lynn gets it all sorted and doesn't end up with any bodily harm.

[Aloha]

Lynn get a cat!!!

[captain spaulding]

"That would be completely illegal and morally wrong in my opinion. If she happens to be armed and gets attacked that's one thing, but planning and executing the killing of any human or animal is illegal."

So if Lynn gets mauled to death, or gets her face ripped off, wouldn't that be illegal and morally wrong too?

Sure would, but like I said if she happens to get into another encounter with the dog then I suggest she takes no chances and defends herself by any means necessary including putting the dog down herself. I personally would of done that the first time if I felt the threat was that great. I am not defending the dog by any means. All I am saying is planning to murder the dog by poison will get her into a whole mess of legal trouble and possibly threats by the dogs owners. I'm sure she does not wan't that. I'm not real worried about it as i'm sure Lynn would not ever think of poisoning the dog. Again, I hope Lynn gets this all worked out without getting attacked. 

[captain spaulding]

Lynn get a cat!!!

 

I was thinking about that. 

Don't think most cat's are as bad ass as that one though.

[Craiger]

OK, ok. Group hug. I apologize if I offended anyone. 

Truth be told, I really do love dogs, and my first action would be to try and befriend the dog. Milk Bones, fetch or burgers off the grill. We'd be drinking buddies before you knew it 

All the best to you Lynn; hope your situation is resolved in a win-win way.

[Chako]

I was going to stay out of this discussion as well, but I would like to remind folks that Scattergun13 is a police officer. I would take his knowledge of the law above others in here. Likewise. Lynn has a good head on her shoulders...not that she needed me saying that. I think she is going about this the correct way.

[scattergun13]

Thank you Chako, I am in fact a police k9 handler. I PM'd Lynn regarding this and encouraged her to disregard the comment suggesting she "indirectly" kill the dog. In so doing, she opens herself, craiger and the staff at MT.O up for litigation. I'm not mad at anybody, this just happens to be exactly what I do for a living and deal with quite frequently.
Regards all,
Stew and k9 partner "Bo"

[Craiger]

I did not "suggest" anything. I did not say "I suggest that you...." or "I advise you to...."
I said "I would", which does not mean "I did", "I have", "I want to", or "you should".

Maybe MTO is based in another country, but here in the U.S. I am protected (within reason) by the 1st Amendment. I shared my opinion, and you might be taking this a bit too far.

You came across as more of a dog nut than a servant of the law. If you would like to educate others on the law, based on your law enforcement experience, than please consider changing your writing style or at least including an introduction paragraph. As it stands now, coming back with that is just confusing. Ah well, interpretation (on the internet especially) can be a slippery slope.

Since the comments that keep coming back are mine, maybe I'm the weirdo? If you all feel that way, please feel free to ban my membership.

And again, for the record, I respect and appreciate the contributions and sacrifices of our officers of the law.

[Mr. Whippy]

No need for banishment.

I think we're all looking out for Lynn's welfare.  Some of this is thinking out loud.  I just suggest we all take a moment before posting in the heat of the moment.

[Craiger]

Roger that, Mr. Whippy. I just have to be done with this thread. Again, apologies to all; I'm really just here for the tools 

I would like to close with this:

Scattergun, thank you for your service, wherever that may be. Your job is hard and your praise is often few and far between. I sincerely appreciate what you and yours' do for people and communities around the world. I don't think I could do it. Thank you.

[Chako]

Craiger, I wasn't attacking you. Sorry if it felt like that. 

[Craiger]

No Chako, I didn't feel attacked by you. But I had no idea Scattergun was LEO, and as such I obviously misunderstood his perspective.

And if my comment was the root of all this and just needs to "go away", I'm fine with that.

For the sake of MTO, if nobody has objections, why not just delete this entire thread? I think we all agree that the fake-leg chew-toy is a bad idea, and maybe that was all Lynn wanted to know anyway.

[Lynn LeFey]

Just to be clear... I will not do anything underhanded to this or any other dog. That's just not my style.

Everything I do will be legal, and will not jeopardize the safety of my neighbor's other dogs.

We wrote up affidavits today, and will take them to be notarized tomorrow.

We are now scheduled for CCW class next Saturday and Sunday.

I'll be honest, if I thought I could get away with a baseball bat, I'd carry one, but any club, bat, whatever can be considered a weapon in Illinois. I showed the chew toy to my husband and he said "there's a padlock in it, isn't there?". No, but not a bad idea. But then, it'd be a weapon... and illegal.

 

[dmanuel]

You would also be facing the fact that most people would consider that a cruel way of killing the dogs. While some may not agree with a bullet to the head, but it will definitely be considered more humane than beating one to death.

[nate j]

I'll be honest, if I thought I could get away with a baseball bat, I'd carry one, but any club, bat, whatever can be considered a weapon in Illinois.

I'm going to suggest a four, five, or six C- or D-cell Maglite.  I'm not a police officer or attorney, but I did live in Illinois for a while and these are still legal to own and carry there AFAIK...

[Grant Lamontagne]

I am just catching up on this thread.  Sorry I'm late to the party- obviously it's been a heated one so far.  Thanks to Mr Whippy for the advice and for putting his Moderator Hat on. 

I am an animal lover- specifically a dog lover.  My small dog is around 70lbs, and my big one is well over 100lbs and a cross between two "dangerous" breeds- a German shepherd and rottweiler.  I know how much responsibility goes into owning large, potentially dangerous dogs, and I am also acutely aware of how much responsibility many people lack while owning a large, potentially dangerous dog.  I'll also skip over my rant on why breed specific legislation is wrong too, because that's kind of political and really doesn't have anything to do with this discussion.

Lynn- I think we all agree that you need to be safe.  I don't think anyone here is suggesting otherwise.  And, as much as I am also a dog lover, I can certainly recognize the danger you are in, and I would have very similar moral issues to the ones you have.  You might be interested to know that there is a similar situation in my neighborhood, except the dog in question is a very large Golden Retriever.  The owners are idiots (although from what you've said in the past about yours, not on the scale of what you deal with) and they have both the Golden and a very large boxer.  The Boxer is ok by itself, but it is also more than happy to back up the Golden when it's attacking someone.  I will feel very bad if this happens, but if it is ever in a position to attack me I will not hesitate to snap it's neck.

Given that mine is a retriever and yours is a pitbull, that may not be an option for you.  Pitbulls have very hard to snap necks, and getting in close enough to even try is a very bad idea.

I don't like the thought of hurting a dog, especially if the owner is the problem, but I agree completely that you shouldn't and can't take chances. 

A relevant incident happened here a couple of months ago- police arrived at a house in town in the middle of the night, two pitbulls ran towards them and the officer shot one of them.  The dogs retreated into the house.  As it turned out, these were neighbor dogs, both good natured and were only going to greet the new friends.  The police were in no danger, but you can't expect the officers to know that.  All they knew was that there were large, potentially dangerous dogs running at them in the dark and they reacted.  In the end the officers ended up taking the dog and owner to the emergency vet, and the dogs are both alive and well today. 

The point is, when in that kind of situation you absolutely have to err on the side of caution.  Maybe this dog is just getting his jollies off tormenting you.  Maybe he isn't.  The fact is, you can't trade your safety on what might be.

I'm not going to suggest any specific methods of defense, but it is good that you are thinking, because that is what is ultimately why you are going to come out on top.

I also can't condone murdering the dog.  If it comes at you and requires "full service" then by all means provide full service.  Personally or professionally I don't see plotting and killing it as an option, and I am glad that you aren't a mind to do that anyway.  The legal ramifications this kind of action are huge, and with social media and other outlets not waiting for facts before publicly shaming people, well even if you are acquitted in court (probably after years of expensive legal fighting) you will still be branded for life. 

In the end, you have to do what you have to do.  I think we all just want you to be safe, and we all need to appreciate that there are several paths to safety, and that you need to find the one that is right for you.

And Craiger, no one gets banned from MTO for having an opinion.  While I may not agree with your position on this topic, I totally get where you are coming from and see the merits of a preemptive strike.  Even if I didn't, this is still MTO and we respect people's opinions.  After all, this is a forum not an againstum, and it would be a pretty boring place if everyone agreed all the time and we stomped out individual ideas that strayed from the pack. 

Def

[derekmac]

Well said Def!

I'm going to try and lighten this thread some by saying, maybe all the dog needs are some hash brownies?    Every few hours, just lob one over the fence.

[Aloha]

Well said Def!

I'm going to try and lighten this thread some by saying, maybe all the dog needs are some hash brownies?    Every few hours, just lob one over the fence.

 

 

[Mr. Whippy]

First time I read it, I thought it said Hash Browns.

[Taxi Dad]

I'm not suggesting this will help, nor am I proud of myself but you might enjoy the story and hopefully Lynn will not judge me 

My mother once had a neighbour who's small 'rat-like' dog used to yap constantly (specially when he went out to work ...for the whole the smurfing day) and despite many polite attempts to get the smurf of a neighbour to do something about the annoyance, we were just bombarded with verbal abuse and an "I'll do what I like ....it's my house" attitude !
now I have dogs and know it can be quite hard to quieten a 'barker' if you're not there, but this guy wasn't interested in working on the problem, probably due to the fact it didn't bother him so therefor it wasn't a problem
so... and now I really do feel guilty about this looking back... someone ( ) started to occasionally to put very small and calculated amounts of Exlax* through the letterbox to a very grateful 'tongue' 

*for anyone not familiar with Exlax ~ it is a senna based constipation reliever that is available in a fake chocolate form, ideal for small children ..... and terriers locked indoors

[JAfromMn]

I sent you a pm Lynn.

[cbl51]

Just to be clear... I will not do anything underhanded to this or any other dog. That's just not my style.

Everything I do will be legal, and will not jeopardize the safety of my neighbor's other dogs.

We wrote up affidavits today, and will take them to be notarized tomorrow.

We are now scheduled for CCW class next Saturday and Sunday.

I'll be honest, if I thought I could get away with a baseball bat, I'd carry one, but any club, bat, whatever can be considered a weapon in Illinois. I showed the chew toy to my husband and he said "there's a padlock in it, isn't there?". No, but not a bad idea. But then, it'd be a weapon... and illegal.

 

Lynn, Having read all the posts I want to express to put something out here. While a baseball bat or any club may be illegal in your state, a cane or stout walking stick is not. Under the Americans With Disability Act, you can carry a cane/walking stick and they can not ask you why, or stop you from doing so. And a stout stick is a great way to deal with a dog attack. Who's to say that old sports injury is not bothering you, or you have some vertigo problems and it affects your balance? A back problem can make a stick needed. If it happens to be a hickory or ash stock cane, or an Irish blackthorn shillelagh, so what?

We have a small dog, and we've been attacked by a pit bull while on a walk. I brained the pit with my cane and it suddenly didn't want anything to do with me or my dog anymore. A sturdy stick is the best way to deal with a dog attack short of a firearm, and require no permits to carry, and the police can't ask why you have it. Your medical history is private, and the A.W.D.A. protects you and your rights.

Teddy Roosevelt said it all when he quoted an old Maasai proverb: "Speak softly, carry a big stick, and you will go far. "

Clobber the son-of-a-…..!

[Styerman]

Bad scene , I wish you the best of luck . I once had luck feeding a nasty dog dog biscuits and sliced weenies . Took a couple of weeks but we became buds .

Shooting dogs is no fun , I wouldn't wish it on anyone .

Chris