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Reply #2070 on: January 05, 2016, 03:17:49 AM
Nice firearms.

Well I have done a little more research on the used box of revolver goodies I bought.

Someone had written their name and lazily scratched it out with a sharpie on the lid. I bought a few sharpies and thought it would look good completely covered.




Inside the toolbox are two removable trays that reveal one larger compartment on one side, and 2 compartments on the other side.


One upper tray holds a speed loader loading block. The other, a divided organizer for the speedloaders. With the lid closed, I have just enough room to store these rounds in the loading block.


After visiting Safariland's web site, I found out I have 7 speed loader comp II, 2 speed loader comp I, and 3 speed loader comp III. One of the comp Is is for a 44 magnum. The smaller comp I are for conceal carry. The Comp IIIs feature a spring and a longer handle. The spring pushes the cartridges into the cylinder. Now sure how that will work...but I have 3 of those. The others are the standard speed loaders




With the loading block, it is very easy to load the speed loaders.




I have also done some research and it looks like this might be a good holster to go with. It is a Safariland model 002 competition holster.

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Reply #2071 on: January 05, 2016, 05:27:18 AM
I have a S&W kit gun that similar to your Ruger but it's in 22 mag

Thanks for the compliments!

The S&W revolvers are nice.  I almost picked up the 617 for 22lr, but at nearly $250 more than I got the Ruger for and the extra weight and size, I thought the Ruger would be a better fit for everyone who will be shooting it and save a sizable amount too.

What model is that kit gun?  Based on some quick searching, it looks like a 650.  She's a beauty!

Thanks, yes, a 650...it was my Dad's before he switched over to a 38.  My ex used to have a SP 101 in 38 Spec...great gun. I may look at one in 22LR. Have you shot it much?
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Reply #2072 on: January 05, 2016, 06:42:59 AM
Thanks, yes, a 650...it was my Dad's before he switched over to a 38.  My ex used to have a SP 101 in 38 Spec...great gun. I may look at one in 22LR. Have you shot it much?

Haven't shot the Ruger at all.  Just got it Saturday evening and haven't had a shooting day scheduled in a while.  My mom has the SP101 in 38 spl/357 and uses it for home defense.  She's had it for a couple years now and practices with snap caps.  Her gun shoots well.  The 22lr version is nearly identical.  Heavy trigger though and may need a little polishing or spring change to get it lighter and smoother.  I normally do trigger work myself, but I may take this one to a local shop and see how it turns out.  Overall, the thing is built like a tank and has the elevation/windage adjustable rear sights and front hi-viz sight.

Interesting. I read your 650 was only made for about 5 years.  It looks like a nice gun but maybe 22mag wasn't as popular as 38 spl?  I also saw a few people talking about fitting 22lr cylinders to it.  Either as factory options or from a model 63, I believe.  You might already have a 22lr stainless revolver!


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Reply #2073 on: January 05, 2016, 07:04:05 AM
Thanks, yes, a 650...it was my Dad's before he switched over to a 38.  My ex used to have a SP 101 in 38 Spec...great gun. I may look at one in 22LR. Have you shot it much?

Haven't shot the Ruger at all.  Just got it Saturday evening and haven't had a shooting day scheduled in a while.  My mom has the SP101 in 38 spl/357 and uses it for home defense.  She's had it for a couple years now and practices with snap caps.  Her gun shoots well.  The 22lr version is nearly identical.  Heavy trigger though and may need a little polishing or spring change to get it lighter and smoother.  I normally do trigger work myself, but I may take this one to a local shop and see how it turns out.  Overall, the thing is built like a tank and has the elevation/windage adjustable rear sights and front hi-viz sight.

Interesting. I read your 650 was only made for about 5 years.  It looks like a nice gun but maybe 22mag wasn't as popular as 38 spl?  I also saw a few people talking about fitting 22lr cylinders to it.  Either as factory options or from a model 63, I believe.  You might already have a 22lr stainless revolver!

Rugers are great!  Yeah, I have a couple of Ruger Super Single Sixes in 22LR/mag. I was just musing about a 22 DA revolver...  Had a 4" 63 and stupidly sold it..... :(  This 650 was a companion gun to my Dad's Winchester 9422 mag and later a big Mossberg Bolt 22 mag he used for turkey hunting. He carried CCI snakeshot in the Smith. He bought it from my gunshop back in the 80's.

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Reply #2074 on: January 05, 2016, 10:01:06 AM
Nice firearms.

Well I have done a little more research on the used box of revolver goodies I bought.

Someone had written their name and lazily scratched it out with a sharpie on the lid. I bought a few sharpies and thought it would look good completely covered.




Inside the toolbox are two removable trays that reveal one larger compartment on one side, and 2 compartments on the other side.


One upper tray holds a speed loader loading block. The other, a divided organizer for the speedloaders. With the lid closed, I have just enough room to store these rounds in the loading block.


After visiting Safariland's web site, I found out I have 7 speed loader comp II, 2 speed loader comp I, and 3 speed loader comp III. One of the comp Is is for a 44 magnum. The smaller comp I are for conceal carry. The Comp IIIs feature a spring and a longer handle. The spring pushes the cartridges into the cylinder. Now sure how that will work...but I have 3 of those. The others are the standard speed loaders




With the loading block, it is very easy to load the speed loaders.




I have also done some research and it looks like this might be a good holster to go with. It is a Safariland model 002 competition holster.


That speed loading box looks very handy. :tu:  I have to say that, while I'm sure it does the job well, that holster looks pretty fugly. :-\
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Reply #2075 on: January 05, 2016, 12:58:07 PM
I agree on the looks...but I want something that will perform better than it looks on the quick draw.
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Reply #2076 on: January 05, 2016, 06:01:39 PM
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Reply #2077 on: January 05, 2016, 10:01:43 PM
The worst gun I´ve shot until now was a five pounds single shot rifle at the caliber .458 WinMag. Impressive recoil and it hurt after five shots like hell. My shoulder was blue for about a week.
 
Almost the pill is such an impressing thingy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.458_Winchester_Magnum

It is not my gun nor catridge. But I joined a shooting club years ago and a member there has such an elephant gun.

Oh... and these were full-power hand-loads.  :oops:

The MosinNagant I shot after with old hungarian surplus ammo was like a .22 after this experience.

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Reply #2078 on: January 05, 2016, 10:04:43 PM
A.458 out of a five pound rifle! :ahhh I've said this before, when I got to shoot a .577 Nitro Express, I had to go to the dentist and have fillings replaced!
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Reply #2079 on: January 05, 2016, 10:16:56 PM
Listening to the US president now, discussing the matter.

I'm sure a lot of us are interested to hear what the Prez has to say,but,when we find out,let's not let it turn into a political furball :tu:
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Reply #2080 on: January 05, 2016, 10:25:44 PM
A.458 out of a five pound rifle! :ahhh I've said this before, when I got to shoot a .577 Nitro Express, I had to go to the dentist and have fillings replaced!

Forget to add that we were shooting 500 grs lead bullets out of the puppy.

A .577 NitroExpress has a much higher enery... no doubt that the dentist had almost $$-marks in his eyes when you go there  :D
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Reply #2081 on: January 06, 2016, 04:06:43 AM
A.458 out of a five pound rifle! :ahhh I've said this before, when I got to shoot a .577 Nitro Express, I had to go to the dentist and have fillings replaced!

Got a couple of pictures for you but they are on my phone and will have to wait for tomorrow.


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Reply #2082 on: January 06, 2016, 05:10:00 AM
The worst gun I´ve shot until now was a five pounds single shot rifle at the caliber .458 WinMag. Impressive recoil and it hurt after five shots like hell. My shoulder was blue for about a week.
Almost the pill is such an impressing thingy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.458_Winchester_Magnum

It is not my gun nor catridge. But I joined a shooting club years ago and a member there has such an elephant gun.

Oh... and these were full-power hand-loads.  :oops:

The MosinNagant I shot after with old hungarian surplus ammo was like a .22 after this experience.

Just wanted to share.


Ouch that had to hurt!


A.458 out of a five pound rifle! :ahhh I've said this before, when I got to shoot a .577 Nitro Express, I had to go to the dentist and have fillings replaced!


Was it a single or double rifle? Either way the recoil had to be substantial.

Have either of you read about Sir Samuel Bakers experiences with his 2 bore he called "Baby"?    :D
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Reply #2083 on: January 07, 2016, 10:10:01 PM
Here you go JD.



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Reply #2084 on: January 07, 2016, 10:18:42 PM
Very cool Harley. :salute:
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Reply #2085 on: January 07, 2016, 10:49:14 PM
The worst gun I´ve shot until now was a five pounds single shot rifle at the caliber .458 WinMag. Impressive recoil and it hurt after five shots like hell. My shoulder was blue for about a week.
Almost the pill is such an impressing thingy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.458_Winchester_Magnum

It is not my gun nor catridge. But I joined a shooting club years ago and a member there has such an elephant gun.

Oh... and these were full-power hand-loads.  :oops:

The MosinNagant I shot after with old hungarian surplus ammo was like a .22 after this experience.

Just wanted to share.


Ouch that had to hurt!


A.458 out of a five pound rifle! :ahhh I've said this before, when I got to shoot a .577 Nitro Express, I had to go to the dentist and have fillings replaced!


Was it a single or double rifle? Either way the recoil had to be substantial.

Have either of you read about Sir Samuel Bakers experiences with his 2 bore he called "Baby"?    :D

Nope,can't say I have...go on then,don't tease :D
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Reply #2086 on: January 07, 2016, 10:55:54 PM
Very cool Harley. :salute:

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Reply #2087 on: January 08, 2016, 12:46:48 AM
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Reply #2088 on: January 08, 2016, 01:47:14 AM

A.458 out of a five pound rifle! :ahhh I've said this before, when I got to shoot a .577 Nitro Express, I had to go to the dentist and have fillings replaced!


Was it a single or double rifle? Either way the recoil had to be substantial.

Have either of you read about Sir Samuel Bakers experiences with his 2 bore he called "Baby"?    :D
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It was a double made by Wesley Richards.  Yes, I've read of Baby.  The Arabic name for it translated to "Son of a cannon".  A monster!
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Reply #2089 on: January 08, 2016, 01:53:22 AM
The Nock volley gun was supposed to be a bit of a monster to shoot as well.  I still wouldn't mind trying one though. :)
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Reply #2090 on: January 08, 2016, 02:47:48 AM
"BABY"

The largest size ever created for a shoulder rifle and used mainly in the 19th century for hunting large dangerous game animals. This caliber was used by European hunters, notably the British, in tropical climates of Africa and India. Loaded with black powder, it was unpopular due to thick smoke and excessive recoil. The rifle was fired from the shoulder by one person. Larger guns existed, such as the punt gun, but these were only fired supported and generally from a prone position. Sir Samuel White Baker, British explorer and hunter of the Victorian era, was impressed by its power, but heavily disapproved of the recoil. He narrates dashing adventures with his two-bore rifle, which he affectionately referred to as "Baby":

Among other weapons, I had an extraordinary rifle that carried a half-pound percussion shell—this instrument of torture to the hunter was not sufficiently heavy for the weight of the projectile; it only weighed twenty pounds: thus, with a charge of ten drachms [270 grains] of powder, behind a half-pound shell, the recoil was so terrific, that I spun around like a weathercock in a hurricane. I really dreaded my own rifle, although I had been accustomed to heavy charges of powder, and severe recoil for some years. None of my men could fire it, and it was looked upon with a species of awe, and it was named "Jenna-El-Mootfah" (Child of a Cannon) by the Arabs, which being far too long a name for practice, I christened it the "Baby;" and the scream of this "Baby" loaded with a half-pound shell was always fatal. It was far too severe, and I very seldom fired it, but it is a curious fact, that I never fired a shot with that rifle without bagging: the entire practice, during several years, was confined to about twenty shots. I was afraid to use it; but now and then it was absolutely necessary that it should be cleaned, after months of staying loaded. On such occasions my men had the gratification of firing it, and the explosion was always accompanied by two men falling on their backs (one having propped up the shooter), and the "Baby" flying some yards behind them. This rifle was made by Holland & Holland, of Bond Street, and I could highly recommend it for the Goliath of Gath, but not for the men of A.D. 1866.[1]

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David Baker, the great-great-grandson of Sir Samuel White Baker with Julian Monroe Fisher
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David and Julian are holding Sir Samuel Baker's original expedition rifle, "the baby".



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Reply #2091 on: January 08, 2016, 03:00:01 AM
 :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh :ahhh
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Reply #2092 on: January 08, 2016, 09:38:14 AM


A.458 out of a five pound rifle! :ahhh I've said this before, when I got to shoot a .577 Nitro Express, I had to go to the dentist and have fillings replaced!


Was it a single or double rifle? Either way the recoil had to be substantial.

Have either of you read about Sir Samuel Bakers experiences with his 2 bore he called "Baby"?    :D

It was a double made by Wesley Richards.  Yes, I've read of Baby.  The Arabic name for it translated to "Son of a cannon".  A monster!
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Wow a .577 Wesley Richards double. Sorry about you fillings.



"BABY"

The largest size ever created for a shoulder rifle and used mainly in the 19th century for hunting large dangerous game animals. This caliber was used by European hunters, notably the British, in tropical climates of Africa and India. Loaded with black powder, it was unpopular due to thick smoke and excessive recoil. The rifle was fired from the shoulder by one person. Larger guns existed, such as the punt gun, but these were only fired supported and generally from a prone position. Sir Samuel White Baker, British explorer and hunter of the Victorian era, was impressed by its power, but heavily disapproved of the recoil. He narrates dashing adventures with his two-bore rifle, which he affectionately referred to as "Baby":

Among other weapons, I had an extraordinary rifle that carried a half-pound percussion shell—this instrument of torture to the hunter was not sufficiently heavy for the weight of the projectile; it only weighed twenty pounds: thus, with a charge of ten drachms [270 grains] of powder, behind a half-pound shell, the recoil was so terrific, that I spun around like a weathercock in a hurricane. I really dreaded my own rifle, although I had been accustomed to heavy charges of powder, and severe recoil for some years. None of my men could fire it, and it was looked upon with a species of awe, and it was named "Jenna-El-Mootfah" (Child of a Cannon) by the Arabs, which being far too long a name for practice, I christened it the "Baby;" and the scream of this "Baby" loaded with a half-pound shell was always fatal. It was far too severe, and I very seldom fired it, but it is a curious fact, that I never fired a shot with that rifle without bagging: the entire practice, during several years, was confined to about twenty shots. I was afraid to use it; but now and then it was absolutely necessary that it should be cleaned, after months of staying loaded. On such occasions my men had the gratification of firing it, and the explosion was always accompanied by two men falling on their backs (one having propped up the shooter), and the "Baby" flying some yards behind them. This rifle was made by Holland & Holland, of Bond Street, and I could highly recommend it for the Goliath of Gath, but not for the men of A.D. 1866.[1]

— Sir Samuel White Baker

David Baker, the great-great-grandson of Sir Samuel White Baker with Julian Monroe Fisher
in the Foley Reading Room at the Royal Geographical Society in London, November 2012.
David and Julian are holding Sir Samuel Baker's original expedition rifle, "the baby".





Thank you CS! Its been a while since I'd read that.
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Reply #2093 on: January 08, 2016, 09:44:11 AM
If Goliath HAD had that rifle, David might have been in real trouble! :ahhh
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Reply #2094 on: January 08, 2016, 02:16:11 PM
Anybody here have a North American Arms Mini revolver?

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Reply #2095 on: January 08, 2016, 06:27:15 PM
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Reply #2096 on: January 08, 2016, 07:22:14 PM
Anybody here have a North American Arms Mini revolver?

Curious to see pictures and hear how well you like it.

I do. I do not post gun pics on the forum though.


I might be able to get some pics and PM them to you, but it might take me a day or so.
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Reply #2097 on: January 08, 2016, 07:32:58 PM
As far as how I like it. I used to own two and regret selling one. I love how tiny it is, but they are VERY impractical. The grip is so tiny you can only get a one finger hold on it and even though its a .22 (many different .22 models) it is so small and you have such little grip it feels like it is going to flip out of your hand. When you hold the gun and aim the top "meaty" portion of your hand covers the front sight post and there is no rear sight (well its grooved). It is a "get off me" gun for sure. I would not want to try and be effective at more than 7 yards. The barrel is so short (on my model) it would not have much accuracy and velocity past that anyways.

You can get a larger grip/pocket clip attachment which clips into your pocket and you fold out the gun like a knife and it sets at (close to) a 90 degree angle acting as a large grip.

There are a bunch of different holsters and grips for the little guys. I would never carry it as a main carry gun only as a backup unless you absolutely had to carry something that small.

With all that said it is a very neat gun and I would never get rid of the one I have left.

I real quick story I will cut down considerably. I was at the range shooting. There was a very large man shooting very large guns and everyone was watching. I started a conversation with him and told him I would be right back. I brought out the NAA mini and he almost lost his smurf. He loved it and begged me to shoot it.  :D

If there is any specific info you want just ask.




I forgot to add. They make a ankle holster for it which is perfect for a tiny gun. I will carry a J-Frame in a ankle holster, but even a small revolver like a J-Frame is substantial on the ankle. You would forget you even have the NAA on your ankle.
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Reply #2098 on: January 09, 2016, 01:31:03 AM
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I tested the trigger pull and this is what I found out. The DA pulls around 7 pounds, and the SA is a little over 2 pounds.
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Reply #2099 on: January 09, 2016, 01:54:32 AM
Looks GREAT!  CONGRATS!!!
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