firearms

[Humppa]

Yes, I´ve heard about the canadian ross; due to its fails sometimes. But on Model 98, wether G98 or K98 has the third locking lug and the bolt handle. But you are right; the bolt also gives safety; looking at the  massive metal construction it is a rather fine and safe design.

I was talking to an AR15 guy lately and we were discussion rather hard on the pros and cons of the old construction vs. the new ones. To my opinion it is always strange for me having too much polymer aka plastic on a firearm. Be it handguns or rifles. Not a big fan of these. To me, nothing beats blued carbon steel and wood. But that´s  just personal taste, propably. Not that plastic fan on firearms in general.

I´m curious if the plastic handles will look as good in 100 years as the old treasures do until now... Time will show... 

[Alan K.]

A bit of trivia.  The U.S. blatantly copied (stole) the Mauser action design for the 1903 Springfield rifle, without permission, and Mauser sued.  The U.S. had to pay a licensing fee to Mauser for every 1903 produced, and did so, until the end of WWI.

[HarleyXJGuy]

Yes, I´ve heard about the canadian ross; due to its fails sometimes. But on Model 98, wether G98 or K98 has the third locking lug and the bolt handle. But you are right; the bolt also gives safety; looking at the  massive metal construction it is a rather fine and safe design.

I was talking to an AR15 guy lately and we were discussion rather hard on the pros and cons of the old construction vs. the new ones. To my opinion it is always strange for me having too much polymer aka plastic on a firearm. Be it handguns or rifles. Not a big fan of these. To me, nothing beats blued carbon steel and wood. But that´s  just personal taste, propably. Not that plastic fan on firearms in general.

I´m curious if the plastic handles will look as good in 100 years as the old treasures do until now... Time will show... 

Of course they will not look as good but they can be replaced for like 12 dollars.

[SAK Guy]

Ok. I'll throw up a pistol.  I've neglected this thread for a while. This one guards the castle....

[raistlin65]

Yes, I´ve heard about the canadian ross; due to its fails sometimes. But on Model 98, wether G98 or K98 has the third locking lug and the bolt handle. But you are right; the bolt also gives safety; looking at the  massive metal construction it is a rather fine and safe design.

I was talking to an AR15 guy lately and we were discussion rather hard on the pros and cons of the old construction vs. the new ones. To my opinion it is always strange for me having too much polymer aka plastic on a firearm. Be it handguns or rifles. Not a big fan of these. To me, nothing beats blued carbon steel and wood. But that´s  just personal taste, propably. Not that plastic fan on firearms in general.

I´m curious if the plastic handles will look as good in 100 years as the old treasures do until now... Time will show... 

Of course they will not look as good but they can be replaced for like 12 dollars.

In 100 years, no one will care about current rifles. Everyone will be buying electronic rail gun long guns

[HarleyXJGuy]

Yes, I´ve heard about the canadian ross; due to its fails sometimes. But on Model 98, wether G98 or K98 has the third locking lug and the bolt handle. But you are right; the bolt also gives safety; looking at the  massive metal construction it is a rather fine and safe design.

I was talking to an AR15 guy lately and we were discussion rather hard on the pros and cons of the old construction vs. the new ones. To my opinion it is always strange for me having too much polymer aka plastic on a firearm. Be it handguns or rifles. Not a big fan of these. To me, nothing beats blued carbon steel and wood. But that´s  just personal taste, propably. Not that plastic fan on firearms in general.

I´m curious if the plastic handles will look as good in 100 years as the old treasures do until now... Time will show... 

Of course they will not look as good but they can be replaced for like 12 dollars.

In 100 years, no one will care about current rifles. Everyone will be buying electronic rail gun long guns

I don't know about that.

Pretty sure someone in 1916 said something along the same lines about the first Wenger knives. Some things are timeless.

[Chako]

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knows folks who still shoot ball and powder.

[jerseydevil]

A bit of trivia.  The U.S. blatantly copied (stole) the Mauser action design for the 1903 Springfield rifle, without permission, and Mauser sued.  The U.S. had to pay a licensing fee to Mauser for every 1903 produced, and did so, until the end of WWI.

Actually the last royalty payment was made in 1914, just before World War I started. The '03 was basically a copy of the 93 Spanish Mauser we had faced in Cuba and the Philippines, with some 98 thrown in. The main patent issue was for the charger-loading ("stripper clip") system.

[Outback in Idaho]

   I'm relearning conceal carry and was used to carrying a Ruger GP100 in .357 magnum so never worried about having one in the chamber or not. Now carrying a semi-auto 9mm Ruger SR9c and not sure why I feel uncomfortable with cock and lock.

    World is getting stupid and I know that when SHTF it has to be loaded to be effective. It's just that I've open carried before and those were revolvers, mostly when hunting. Never carried a semi-auto till a month ago.

    How does one get past the weird feeling?

[captain spaulding]

   I'm relearning conceal carry and was used to carrying a Ruger GP100 in .357 magnum so never worried about having one in the chamber or not. Now carrying a semi-auto 9mm Ruger SR9c and not sure why I feel uncomfortable with cock and lock.

    World is getting stupid and I know that when SHTF it has to be loaded to be effective. It's just that I've open carried before and those were revolvers, mostly when hunting. Never carried a semi-auto till a month ago.

    How does one get past the weird feeling?

Honestly you may never get over that feeling, but depending on the pistol most have 2 or 3 internal safety mechanisms as well as a trigger safety so unless you actually pull the trigger by accident it's highly unlikely it will accidentally discharge. Another option would be to just get a small revolver. Yet another option would be to get a semi that is hammer fired and not striker fired so you can have one in the chamber and de-cock the gun. First shot would be double action and the rest would be single action. No worry of a spring loaded mechanism giving and having a accidental discharge into your leg, butt, or family jewels.

[Alan K.]

The SR-9c has a manual safety and the trigger safety. The trigger safety is similar to the transfer bar safety in a revolver in that you have to be pulling the trigger or the striker won't hit the primer and it won't fire.  Always index your finger until you have acquired your target and especially before reholstering and it is as safe as you're going to get in a modern striker fired pistol and at least as safe as your revolvers.

[Outback in Idaho]

    When I've worked armed security in my 20's am sure the first few times I was a bit nervous carrying an exposed firearm. Only had to draw twice, last time was to save me from being sucker knifed. Can say that practice makes for perfect reaction.

    Now I'm armed as a citizen, again.

    First time the neighborhood druggy got the drop on me in the mountains. He hit me in the head with a metal pipe, threw me in the river. If not for an incoming cattle drive, coming down the highway, it could of been in worse.
    I applied for a concealed weapons license and started conceal carrying. That was for immediate protection. I was scared, even for a few years more after we moved.

    My life isn't in immediate danger now, though it's my right to carry. Know a lot of people that conceal carry and it's second nature to them. To me it's not. It is THAT feeling that bugs me, not the mechanics of the pistols.

    I conceal carry when I get the chance. More to help me shake that feeling of being a nice guy --> to being a "nice guy" with a "not so nice guy" option. Maybe it's something that bugged me when I worked security, that attitude change. Or that I know stuff is changing in the world and it scares me enough to arm myself.

    But... am I justified (enough) - to carry?

    In neighboring Oregon, much like Idaho, open carry is legal. When I did open carry the Taurus people's attitudes towards me changed. I've lived here 16 years, shopped here, but soon as I strap on a gun - bam! People got jumpy.
    That's why I went for conceal carry, well in Idaho. I've got to take the course for Oregon to conceal carry there. With two jobs I probably can't do that till July.
    I've not open carried (or even carried) in Oregon yet. That exposure might pose problems when I have to work over there. A guy can get labeled fast.

   
    Guess it's that concealed carry doesn't bug me quite so much till I put one in the chamber. I go from protection to lethal carry when running the slide. 

[Outback in Idaho]

    Have since put on the rubberized Talon Grips on my baby, though not been able to get out to the landfill to go "golfing" in 2 weeks, Hoping to get out later today. 

    Made a wooden portable target frame to take with me, though need heavier metal brackets to brace the feet supports. Usually the rifle side is rarely in demand, but the pistol lane is hopping! There's no indoor ranged here for 90 miles.   So miss The Firing Pin in West Sacramento.


   Guess I need to take glamour shots of my weapons like you folks do. 

[raistlin65]

Yes, I´ve heard about the canadian ross; due to its fails sometimes. But on Model 98, wether G98 or K98 has the third locking lug and the bolt handle. But you are right; the bolt also gives safety; looking at the  massive metal construction it is a rather fine and safe design.

I was talking to an AR15 guy lately and we were discussion rather hard on the pros and cons of the old construction vs. the new ones. To my opinion it is always strange for me having too much polymer aka plastic on a firearm. Be it handguns or rifles. Not a big fan of these. To me, nothing beats blued carbon steel and wood. But that´s  just personal taste, propably. Not that plastic fan on firearms in general.

I´m curious if the plastic handles will look as good in 100 years as the old treasures do until now... Time will show... 

Of course they will not look as good but they can be replaced for like 12 dollars.

In 100 years, no one will care about current rifles. Everyone will be buying electronic rail gun long guns

I don't know about that.

Pretty sure someone in 1916 said something along the same lines about the first Wenger knives. Some things are timeless.

I'm sure there are people that still wish they could EDC one of these

[jerseydevil]

[SAK Guy]

   I'm relearning conceal carry and was used to carrying a Ruger GP100 in .357 magnum so never worried about having one in the chamber or not. Now carrying a semi-auto 9mm Ruger SR9c and not sure why I feel uncomfortable with cock and lock.

    World is getting stupid and I know that when SHTF it has to be loaded to be effective. It's just that I've open carried before and those were revolvers, mostly when hunting. Never carried a semi-auto till a month ago.

    How does one get past the weird feeling?

Honestly you may never get over that feeling, but depending on the pistol most have 2 or 3 internal safety mechanisms as well as a trigger safety so unless you actually pull the trigger by accident it's highly unlikely it will accidentally discharge. Another option would be to just get a small revolver. Yet another option would be to get a semi that is hammer fired and not striker fired so you can have one in the chamber and de-cock the gun. First shot would be double action and the rest would be single action. No worry of a spring loaded mechanism giving and having a accidental discharge into your leg, butt, or family jewels.

+1!!  One thing about the 1911, it has redundant safeties and the Series 80's also have the additional firing pin safety. I'm getting older and I need simple more than ever.      Using the same kind of pistol for 40 yeas aids in familiarization as well... 

[cbl51]

   I'm relearning conceal carry and was used to carrying a Ruger GP100 in .357 magnum so never worried about having one in the chamber or not. Now carrying a semi-auto 9mm Ruger SR9c and not sure why I feel uncomfortable with cock and lock.

    World is getting stupid and I know that when SHTF it has to be loaded to be effective. It's just that I've open carried before and those were revolvers, mostly when hunting. Never carried a semi-auto till a month ago.

    How does one get past the weird feeling?

Honestly you may never get over that feeling, but depending on the pistol most have 2 or 3 internal safety mechanisms as well as a trigger safety so unless you actually pull the trigger by accident it's highly unlikely it will accidentally discharge. Another option would be to just get a small revolver. Yet another option would be to get a semi that is hammer fired and not striker fired so you can have one in the chamber and de-cock the gun. First shot would be double action and the rest would be single action. No worry of a spring loaded mechanism giving and having a accidental discharge into your leg, butt, or family jewels.

+1!!  One thing about the 1911, it has redundant safeties and the Series 80's also have the additional firing pin safety. I'm getting older and I need simple more than ever.      Using the same kind of pistol for 40 yeas aids in familiarization as well... 

I know what you mean, about feeling uneasy. I used to carry a revolver exclusively. I was a died in the wool wheel gun man. But in my 'older age, I got to the point where I couldn't see the skinny front sight on the Smith and Wesson J frame. My cousin would go t the range with me, and loan me his Glock, which I hated. Plastic piece of tupperwhere junk!''But I could shoot that plastic little gun way better than I could shoot my revolver. Nice big visible sights and the overall package was better for fast accurate shooting. I ended up doing the unthinkable. I went from this;


To this;


I went from b ring a Glock hater to a koolaid drinking fanboy. Simple to operate, 10 rounds compared to 5, spare mag with ten more in a hip pocket, but most of all I shoot it more accurate. But…I feel weird about having a round in the chamber. I now Glock is a safe gun, but I fond myself being extra careful about where my trigger finger is at all times. In the year and a half I've had the gun, I've really got used to it, but I think there is always going to be that slight unease about not having the safety of the revolver. I just have to have faith that the Glock is a great design and just trust it not to go off until I want it to. As for reliability in firing, in a year and half of 200 rounds a month, sometimes more, not a single jam or failure to do anything but work perfectly.

[captain spaulding]

GLOCK's rock!

I forgot to mention something. Pertaining to feeling more comfortable locked and loaded with a revolver. Just think about this. Unless your revolver has a transfer bar it can go off just as easy if not easier than a striker fired pistol. One accidental hit to the back of the hammer and the gun can fire.

[captain spaulding]

I may have to break my rule and post a pic or two in this thread! Maybe...... 

[Gareth]

I may have to break my rule and post a pic or two in this thread! Maybe...... 

Go on, you know you want to.

[captain spaulding]

I may have to break my rule and post a pic or two in this thread! Maybe...... 

Go on, you know you want to.

Seems like you wan't me to more than I want to. 

Seriously though, maybe if/when I get a new camera or mine working properly.

[Humppa]

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knows folks who still shoot ball and powder.

Mr. Humppa likes to shoot muzzle loaders with powder and ball from time to time, when a co shooter is doing on the range... Caliber .58 is impressive, in black powder as well.

[cbl51]

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knows folks who still shoot ball and powder.

Mr. Humppa likes to shoot muzzle loaders with powder and ball from time to time, when a co shooter is doing on the range... Caliber .58 is impressive, in black powder as well.

When I was young, I shot black powder, and it was a gas!!!

I had a Navy Arms reproduction of the American civil war Springfield musket in .58 mini ball. Alos had a Navy arms .44 Colt 1860 army pattern. Haf a lot of fun with those guns. I've thought about getting back into the black powder thing.

Andi, how do they handle the powder and ball thing in Germany? I wonder if it's easier to get the guns and powder since it is not fixed ammunition?

[Outback in Idaho]

I may have to break my rule and post a pic or two in this thread! Maybe...... 

Go on, you know you want to.

Seems like you wan't me to more than I want to. 

Seriously though, maybe if/when I get a new camera or mine working properly.

  We won't laugh. We promises. 

[captain spaulding]

I may have to break my rule and post a pic or two in this thread! Maybe...... 

Go on, you know you want to.

Seems like you wan't me to more than I want to. 

Seriously though, maybe if/when I get a new camera or mine working properly.

  We won't laugh. We promises. 

I love my NAA mini. 

[Alan K.]

If you are going to carry a firearm for self defense then carry it loaded.  It doesn't do any good to carry it with an empty chamber.  If one hand is injured or you are holding off an aggressor with one hand you won't be able to rack that slide when you need to be shooting up close and personal.
When a large group of people commit violence because everyone else is doing it they used to call that Wilding because they were acting like wild animals.  Now a days they call that a flash mob (yeah, they use the same term for those times when a big group starts dancing at the mall or something, but we're not concerned about that kind of flash mob).  Lets just say that you could find yourself in sudden conflict with a large group of people.  They may not usually be prone to violence, but when they are bored, and drunk or on drugs, and it's hot out, or maybe just because it is Tuesday, when the group mentality kicks in violence can occur.
Have you heard about the knockout game?  Did you know that they never found a trace of drugs in the guy who came to be known as "the causeway cannibal," but he still attacked a homeless man and was chewing the homeless guy's face off when the police arrived?  Did you know it took 11 rounds to stop the attack.  He was probably on some designer drug that they didn't have a test for at the time, but does it really matter to you what kind of drugs the guy might be on if you're the one getting your face chewed off? You've made the decision to carry, so somewhere in the back of your mind you have recognized that there is a need.  So, carry your pistol.  Carry it loaded and ready to use, and take comfort in the weight of it because that lets you know it is there if you need it.

[Outback in Idaho]

    Been two weeks since I was able to go "golfing" at the local landfill. Grouping still needs work, am improving. Was trying various stances. That leaning forward kinda seems to work though not overly comfortable. Shot 110 rounds of 9mm, and a couple boxes of .22 LR from the Ruger Mark II 5.5" Bull Barrel.

    Had noticed that the Talon Grips do make a difference! 

    I remember when I brought that pistol home. I really wanted the tapered 4" model but it was like $100+ more than this bull barrel. Dad says, "Well, if you can't kill it you can beat it over the head." meaning the barrel was way too heavy. /sigh 
    Still have the Ruger patch and the original sales receipt. <took break> $259.99 on August 26, 1996.

    Took some not so glamor shots at the range.

[Outback in Idaho]

    Still not convinced that the Galloway Stainless Steel Guide Rod is a good thing or not. Haven't gotten one as they are $40, Ruger of course does not recommend installing it.

[cbl51]

    Still not convinced that the Galloway Stainless Steel Guide Rod is a good thing or not. Haven't gotten one as they are $40, Ruger of course does not recommend installing it.

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If Ruger does NOT recommend it, then do not under any circumstances install it. They spend a lot of money designing and developing these guns, and it it was needed, they would include it. There's lots of people making lots of money selling after market stuff to people, that is designed mostly to get your money out of your pocket and into theirs.

here's a true story;
This old Ruger standard model was bought in the late 1960's for 39.95. Yes, that's what they were going for back then. This the old standard model they came out with in 1949. I've had this gun for almost 50 years now, and it's been reliable as a rock. It's been all over with me, western desert, Rocky Mountains, Chesapeake bay salt marsh, family trips cross country. It's been shot in blowing sand conditions, freezing cold snow, and most things in between. It will screw up once in a while in very cold weather when I don't clean it in between bricks of cheap grade rimfire ammo for plinking. I taught my kids to shoot on it. I taught my grandkids to shoot on it. It's been used for three generations of my family.


About 20 years ago, my friend Danny bought one because he was so impressed with mine. But…Danny started to screw around with his. After market this, after market that. Supposed to increase accuracy, or whatever. Yes, he got a bit better performance out of it. But again… that little three letter word…but... his reliability went down. Failure to feed's, failure to eject, and some breakage of after market parts. It turned a nice gun into a POS to put it bluntly. Danny ended up taking out all the after market parts, and in some cases had to pau a gun smith to put it right because the parts screwed up something. In the end, Dany paid twice of that pistol, the fee's for all the parts, and gunsmith services to put it right. Finally, Danny's gun was shooting like it came from the factory. It could now go through a whole brick of cheap Remington thunderbolt on a Saturday boring plinking session.

Leave guns stock. If you need better performance, buy a different gun.

[Outback in Idaho]

    Wished I had a pistol like yours over that bull barrel one like mine.