firearms

[captain spaulding]

Leave guns stock. If you need better performance, buy a different gun.

I would agree and disagree. In the particular case of the Ruger Mark series I would agree. If we are talking a Ruger 10/22 or AR I would very much disagree. I have improved performance and reliability on my 10/22 for very little cash.

[captain spaulding]

Forgot to post this for the "one in the chamber" discussion. Watch the whole thing. Its not long.

[cbl51]

Forgot to post this for the "one in the chamber" discussion. Watch the whole thing. Its not long.

This is why you don't carry a gun big enough or bulky enough that you need a waistband holster of fit. if you can't carry the gun where you can causally slip a hand into a pocket and have the gun in your hand and ready to go, then you need a more concealable gun. This is why I like small pocket guns, so I can slip a hand in a pocket and it's already to pull and shoot. Or not shoot if I can de-escalate the situation. It's very surprising when they see a gun half out of a pocket that all of a sudden they get religion. "I swear to God I was only gonna ask you for the time" or other such nonsense.

If the situation looks hinky, you step back and have the gun ready to go, with it in your hand in the pocket. If need be, just shoot right through the pocket. You can buy another jacket/vest. I've been known to turn a bit sideways and have the gun out in my hand down by my leg. The heck with what they teach in these 'classes' you pay a lot of money for and learn how to get killed on the street. Unfortunately, the bad guys don't take these classes, and don't attack so blatantly, instead  launching an attack at arms length.

Second mistake the gun folks make is, they don't move. Use the two feet God you to move, step back to the side, run, anything to keep distance. Footwork. Standing there going for a gun under the shirt or jacket in a hip holster or inside the waistband will get you killed every time.

Carryng a full size or near full size gun that needs a support system will get you killed. Use a small pocket pistol that fits in the palm of a hand and can  be carried in a pants pocket. I'd rather  have one of my NAA mini's, a Secamp  or Ruger LCP than a larger gun.

My cousin goes to a place out in Las Vegas called Front sight, and takes all these classes that cost a lotos money. So far, every tine he comes back and showe=s me what they taught, it's been how to get killed. Their 'rules of engagement are beyond ridiculous.

If you are well and truly cornered like this video says, and you have some unidentified person crowding you and leaving you no retreat, then that gun needs to be out and ready and you yell "BACK OFF!" in a very loud voice. Make him very aware you are going to shoot him in the next instant of he leaves you no choice.

[Chako]

I like the bull barrel on the Browning Buckmark Hunter that I have.

[HarleyXJGuy]

I am also a fan of the bull barrel Chako. Nice .22 you have there.

[cbl51]

    Wished I had a pistol like yours over that bull barrel one like mine. 

For a few years in the early 90's I had a MK2 target with a bull barrel. I didn't like it for general shooting and plinking at odd objects like golf balls and Necco wafers. I found the front sight way too thick to get a fine sight picture on small objects at longer range. At 50 yards, the front sight almost totally obscures the target if you have to give it  bit of Kentucky windage for the longer range. I filed and drifted the fixed sights on the old standard model to be point blank at 25 yards on a small air gun target with a 1 inch or so black bulls eye. This works well from 15 to about 35-40 yards. At 50 I have to use a dead on hold plus a tiny bit of hold over. I found the overly thick sights on the mark 2 target models to be clumsy for shooting under plinking conditions.

I sold off the bull barrel target gun, figuring that I wasn't going to be in a formal target competition but I do love to plink. The standard fixed sights are way more appropriate for my shooting, not to mention the skinny barrel us way lighter to carry on camping trips, and I like the Luger like handling of the light barrel. With a careful two hand hold, it really doesn't make much different on minute of golf ball at 40-50 yards, let alone a few squires or rabbits for the pot.

[Outback in Idaho]

The fluted barrels were astronomical in price. For some reason the Luger styled were in the  $380+ range. Should of gotten one of them instead of a full bull barrel.
If had the bucks and knew a decent gun smith could have them get creative on the barrel.

Inherented a black hawk .22 revolver with two different cylinders from my dad. His holster rig is for a 34" waste - I can only wish mine was that thin. In my best days 40" was norm. We won't go there now.

Mom has an old Dick Tracy .25 somewhere. Not seen it in decades, but am sure it's around here somewhere.

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[Outback in Idaho]

    Wished I had a pistol like yours over that bull barrel one like mine. 

For a few years in the early 90's I had a MK2 target with a bull barrel. I didn't like it for general shooting and plinking at odd objects like golf balls and Necco wafers. I found the front sight way too thick to get a fine sight picture on small objects at longer range. At 50 yards, the front sight almost totally obscures the target if you have to give it  bit of Kentucky windage for the longer range. I filed and drifted the fixed sights on the old standard model to be point blank at 25 yards on a small air gun target with a 1 inch or so black bulls eye. This works well from 15 to about 35-40 yards. At 50 I have to use a dead on hold plus a tiny bit of hold over. I found the overly thick sights on the mark 2 target models to be clumsy for shooting under plinking conditions.

I sold off the bull barrel target gun, figuring that I wasn't going to be in a formal target competition but I do love to plink. The standard fixed sights are way more appropriate for my shooting, not to mention the skinny barrel us way lighter to carry on camping trips, and I like the Luger like handling of the light barrel. With a careful two hand hold, it really doesn't make much different on minute of golf ball at 40-50 yards, let alone a few squires or rabbits for the pot.

Not sure how much damage a .380 ACP would do in comparison to carrying a 9mm. See a lot of off-duty LE carrying a small revolver in the coat pocket. They shoot from them holey jackets too.

Now that it's getting warmer conceal carry is going to be interesting. Can spot a good many conceal carry types right off - placed in the small of their back. Don't see many junk in the trunk carry types here.

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[cbl51]

    Wished I had a pistol like yours over that bull barrel one like mine. 

For a few years in the early 90's I had a MK2 target with a bull barrel. I didn't like it for general shooting and plinking at odd objects like golf balls and Necco wafers. I found the front sight way too thick to get a fine sight picture on small objects at longer range. At 50 yards, the front sight almost totally obscures the target if you have to give it  bit of Kentucky windage for the longer range. I filed and drifted the fixed sights on the old standard model to be point blank at 25 yards on a small air gun target with a 1 inch or so black bulls eye. This works well from 15 to about 35-40 yards. At 50 I have to use a dead on hold plus a tiny bit of hold over. I found the overly thick sights on the mark 2 target models to be clumsy for shooting under plinking conditions.

I sold off the bull barrel target gun, figuring that I wasn't going to be in a formal target competition but I do love to plink. The standard fixed sights are way more appropriate for my shooting, not to mention the skinny barrel us way lighter to carry on camping trips, and I like the Luger like handling of the light barrel. With a careful two hand hold, it really doesn't make much different on minute of golf ball at 40-50 yards, let alone a few squires or rabbits for the pot.

Not sure how much damage a .380 ACP would do in comparison to carrying a 9mm. See a lot of off-duty LE carrying a small revolver in the coat pocket. They shoot from them holey jackets too.

Now that it's getting warmer conceal carry is going to be interesting. Can spot a good many conceal carry types right off - placed in the small of their back. Don't see many junk in the trunk carry types here.

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The .380 is fine, as is the .32acp, .25acp, and even the .22 if you know your gun and what you're doing with it. I don't get too much into the insane 'yes it will, no it' won't caliber game. It's a gun, it shoots a bulet, and if that bullit pierces a heart, liver, spleen, kidney, brain, it's going to end the problem pretty quick. Growing up in and around  Washington D.C. and being a teenage going the wrong places and sometimes seeing trouble, I've seen what a real gun can do. I personally knew one guy who got killed by a single shot from a little .25 auto. His name was Al, and he was a big Karate guy. Umpteenth degree black belt, taught a local dojo and did the tournament thing and had lots of trophies on the shelf at home. His day job was a government cog downtown D.C.

One day he gets off the metro at the Silver Spring stop, takes the elevator to the floor his car is on. About a half dozen commuters with him so there was lots of witnesses to give the police the account. Doors open they get off, and theres this little teenage skinny inner city gangbanger wanna be with a gun. Tells everyone to toss down their wallets and cell phones and get back on the elevator. Al, being a legend in his own mind, goes to kick the guy out of the punks hand. After all, he's probably done it a zillion times in training in the well lit dojo where everyone knows what he's supposed to do. Big problem, the ghetto kid hasn't got the memo. He dodges back a step and shoots Al, hits him right in the chest. Al falls face down on the dirty concrete, utters the last words of ;"Oh smurfe!" and dies. I can only wonder if he was regretful about the young wife and 5 year old daughter he left behind.

It doesn't matter at all what you hit him with, it's where you hit. The FBI has finally figured that out so when back to the 9mm that people shoot better than the sharp kicking .40. If you have any doubts about what even a small gun will do, go watch the video of the Reagan shooting. All the people you see going down and hitting pavement and not getting up were hit in critical places with a single round from a cheap RG .22 revolver. Think about that next time some youtube expert say a .22 will just make them mad.

Any gun that shoots, is reliable, and puts out a bullet is a dangerous thing. People get killed being stabbed by icepicks. That's a very small caliber!

[raistlin65]

This is why you don't carry a gun big enough or bulky enough that you need a waistband holster of fit. if you can't carry the gun where you can causally slip a hand into a pocket and have the gun in your hand and ready to go, then you need a more concealable gun. This is why I like small pocket guns, so I can slip a hand in a pocket and it's already to pull and shoot. Or not shoot if I can de-escalate the situation. It's very surprising when they see a gun half out of a pocket that all of a sudden they get religion. "I swear to God I was only gonna ask you for the time" or other such nonsense.

If the situation looks hinky, you step back and have the gun ready to go, with it in your hand in the pocket. If need be, just shoot right through the pocket. You can buy another jacket/vest. I've been known to turn a bit sideways and have the gun out in my hand down by my leg. The heck with what they teach in these 'classes' you pay a lot of money for and learn how to get killed on the street. Unfortunately, the bad guys don't take these classes, and don't attack so blatantly, instead  launching an attack at arms length.

Second mistake the gun folks make is, they don't move. Use the two feet God you to move, step back to the side, run, anything to keep distance. Footwork. Standing there going for a gun under the shirt or jacket in a hip holster or inside the waistband will get you killed every time.

Carryng a full size or near full size gun that needs a support system will get you killed. Use a small pocket pistol that fits in the palm of a hand and can  be carried in a pants pocket. I'd rather  have one of my NAA mini's, a Secamp  or Ruger LCP than a larger gun.

My cousin goes to a place out in Las Vegas called Front sight, and takes all these classes that cost a lotos money. So far, every tine he comes back and showe=s me what they taught, it's been how to get killed. Their 'rules of engagement are beyond ridiculous.

If you are well and truly cornered like this video says, and you have some unidentified person crowding you and leaving you no retreat, then that gun needs to be out and ready and you yell "BACK OFF!" in a very loud voice. Make him very aware you are going to shoot him in the next instant of he leaves you no choice.

I don't know anything about those classes your cousin took. Sounds like maybe he needs to get his money back. But in the single class I took in MI that is required for CPL, they pretty much covered all of these things. That video is a good example of poor situational awareness and poor preparedness.

Well, except that the class I took didn't encourage keeping your gun in your coat pocket. I don't think fumbling around in your pocket to get a purchase on your loose weapon is necessarily going to be faster on the draw than someone who has the right holster and has practiced

[captain spaulding]

Forgot to post this for the "one in the chamber" discussion. Watch the whole thing. Its not long.

This is why you don't carry a gun big enough or bulky enough that you need a waistband holster of fit. if you can't carry the gun where you can causally slip a hand into a pocket and have the gun in your hand and ready to go, then you need a more concealable gun. This is why I like small pocket guns, so I can slip a hand in a pocket and it's already to pull and shoot. Or not shoot if I can de-escalate the situation. It's very surprising when they see a gun half out of a pocket that all of a sudden they get religion. "I swear to God I was only gonna ask you for the time" or other such nonsense.

If the situation looks hinky, you step back and have the gun ready to go, with it in your hand in the pocket. If need be, just shoot right through the pocket. You can buy another jacket/vest. I've been known to turn a bit sideways and have the gun out in my hand down by my leg. The heck with what they teach in these 'classes' you pay a lot of money for and learn how to get killed on the street. Unfortunately, the bad guys don't take these classes, and don't attack so blatantly, instead  launching an attack at arms length.

Second mistake the gun folks make is, they don't move. Use the two feet God you to move, step back to the side, run, anything to keep distance. Footwork. Standing there going for a gun under the shirt or jacket in a hip holster or inside the waistband will get you killed every time.

Carryng a full size or near full size gun that needs a support system will get you killed. Use a small pocket pistol that fits in the palm of a hand and can  be carried in a pants pocket. I'd rather  have one of my NAA mini's, a Secamp  or Ruger LCP than a larger gun.

My cousin goes to a place out in Las Vegas called Front sight, and takes all these classes that cost a lotos money. So far, every tine he comes back and showe=s me what they taught, it's been how to get killed. Their 'rules of engagement are beyond ridiculous.

If you are well and truly cornered like this video says, and you have some unidentified person crowding you and leaving you no retreat, then that gun needs to be out and ready and you yell "BACK OFF!" in a very loud voice. Make him very aware you are going to shoot him in the next instant of he leaves you no choice.

I agree with some, but disagree with some of your statements as well. I do not have time to go into detail, but will later.

[cbl51]

This is why you don't carry a gun big enough or bulky enough that you need a waistband holster of fit. if you can't carry the gun where you can causally slip a hand into a pocket and have the gun in your hand and ready to go, then you need a more concealable gun. This is why I like small pocket guns, so I can slip a hand in a pocket and it's already to pull and shoot. Or not shoot if I can de-escalate the situation. It's very surprising when they see a gun half out of a pocket that all of a sudden they get religion. "I swear to God I was only gonna ask you for the time" or other such nonsense.

If the situation looks hinky, you step back and have the gun ready to go, with it in your hand in the pocket. If need be, just shoot right through the pocket. You can buy another jacket/vest. I've been known to turn a bit sideways and have the gun out in my hand down by my leg. The heck with what they teach in these 'classes' you pay a lot of money for and learn how to get killed on the street. Unfortunately, the bad guys don't take these classes, and don't attack so blatantly, instead  launching an attack at arms length.

Second mistake the gun folks make is, they don't move. Use the two feet God you to move, step back to the side, run, anything to keep distance. Footwork. Standing there going for a gun under the shirt or jacket in a hip holster or inside the waistband will get you killed every time.

Carryng a full size or near full size gun that needs a support system will get you killed. Use a small pocket pistol that fits in the palm of a hand and can  be carried in a pants pocket. I'd rather  have one of my NAA mini's, a Secamp  or Ruger LCP than a larger gun.

My cousin goes to a place out in Las Vegas called Front sight, and takes all these classes that cost a lotos money. So far, every tine he comes back and showe=s me what they taught, it's been how to get killed. Their 'rules of engagement are beyond ridiculous.

If you are well and truly cornered like this video says, and you have some unidentified person crowding you and leaving you no retreat, then that gun needs to be out and ready and you yell "BACK OFF!" in a very loud voice. Make him very aware you are going to shoot him in the next instant of he leaves you no choice.

Well, except that the class I took didn't encourage keeping your gun in your coat pocket. I don't think fumbling around in your pocket to get a purchase on your loose weapon is necessarily going to be faster on the draw than someone who has the right holster and has practiced

You are not fumbling around for a gun, that's the whole point. Your gun is ALREADY in your hand in the pocket. All you have to do is pull it out, way way faster than brushing under a jacket/shirt to grab the gun. The woman in the video does everything wrong that she can. It's a great video for a lesson in getting killed. He who gets the gun out first and fires first will see the sunrise in the morning.

[HarleyXJGuy]

He who gets the HITS THE CORRECT LOCATION first will see the sunrise in the morning.

Fixed that last bit for you.

[Aloha]

I'd imagine the shirt covering your gun and the holster both have to considered when talking how quickly the gun can be drawn.  Add in incredible amounts of stress and possibly being taken off guard.  Having your hand on your gun with a round ready to go is going to be faster in a life or death situation. 

Can one realistically have their hand on their gun without looking incredibly odd or obvious? 

I don't know if pulling a gun our of a pocket ( depending on the looseness of the pants ) under stress ( not simulated ) is faster than a holster.

Self defense to me whether you are armed or not starts with situational awareness.  Yes bad things happen.  Yes random violence happens.  I do know that self defense starts with situational awareness. 

I'd imagine practicing however you plan to draw is going to create muscle memory.  Practice, practice, practice.  In the video the distance for most is a lot to overcome.  I've seen 15 and 20 ft distances being closed in a short amount of time.  If the guy really wanted to dominate her it would have been very easy,  like we saw in his second attempt.   She may have shot him but she also may have a life threatening wound as well. 

If the idea of carrying a gun is what most say its for then this to me is a fail on her part. 

I am no expert nor gun person so my opinion is only me thinking out loud. 

 

[Fortytwo]

I'd imagine the shirt covering your gun and the holster both have to considered when talking how quickly the gun can be drawn.  Add in incredible amounts of stress and possibly being taken off guard.  Having your hand on your gun with a round ready to go is going to be faster in a life or death situation. 

Can one realistically have their hand on their gun without looking incredibly odd or obvious? 

I don't know if pulling a gun our of a pocket ( depending on the looseness of the pants ) under stress ( not simulated ) is faster than a holster.

Self defense to me whether you are armed or not starts with situational awareness.  Yes bad things happen.  Yes random violence happens.  I do know that self defense starts with situational awareness. 

I'd imagine practicing however you plan to draw is going to create muscle memory.  Practice, practice, practice.  In the video the distance for most is a lot to overcome.  I've seen 15 and 20 ft distances being closed in a short amount of time.  If the guy really wanted to dominate her it would have been very easy,  like we saw in his second attempt.   She may have shot him but she also may have a life threatening wound as well. 

If the idea of carrying a gun is what most say its for then this to me is a fail on her part. 

I am no expert nor gun person so my opinion is only me thinking out loud. 

I think this depends on your clothing, some jackets, especially if it's a cold day out it, wouldn't look too out of place. During summer on the other hand it's going to look much more obvious (then again, that may not be a problem since it might well move potential robbers on). As for pulling the gun out of your pocket I think the idea here is that you simply don't unless you really have the time, a hole in your jacket might be a fair price to pay.

Then again I'm from Sweden, so this is obviously pure theory.

[Outback in Idaho]

    Know the video was for a purpose, but really, he's inside her garage. She should of not let him even get into her garage before drawing her weapons and proceeding inside the house to lock the door and call 911.



  When I worked security I did get the drop on a guy trying to sucker knife me. Ya gotta move around, and practice. With anything, practice perfects reaction.

[raistlin65]

This is why you don't carry a gun big enough or bulky enough that you need a waistband holster of fit. if you can't carry the gun where you can causally slip a hand into a pocket and have the gun in your hand and ready to go, then you need a more concealable gun. This is why I like small pocket guns, so I can slip a hand in a pocket and it's already to pull and shoot. Or not shoot if I can de-escalate the situation. It's very surprising when they see a gun half out of a pocket that all of a sudden they get religion. "I swear to God I was only gonna ask you for the time" or other such nonsense.

If the situation looks hinky, you step back and have the gun ready to go, with it in your hand in the pocket. If need be, just shoot right through the pocket. You can buy another jacket/vest. I've been known to turn a bit sideways and have the gun out in my hand down by my leg. The heck with what they teach in these 'classes' you pay a lot of money for and learn how to get killed on the street. Unfortunately, the bad guys don't take these classes, and don't attack so blatantly, instead  launching an attack at arms length.

Second mistake the gun folks make is, they don't move. Use the two feet God you to move, step back to the side, run, anything to keep distance. Footwork. Standing there going for a gun under the shirt or jacket in a hip holster or inside the waistband will get you killed every time.

Carryng a full size or near full size gun that needs a support system will get you killed. Use a small pocket pistol that fits in the palm of a hand and can  be carried in a pants pocket. I'd rather  have one of my NAA mini's, a Secamp  or Ruger LCP than a larger gun.

My cousin goes to a place out in Las Vegas called Front sight, and takes all these classes that cost a lotos money. So far, every tine he comes back and showe=s me what they taught, it's been how to get killed. Their 'rules of engagement are beyond ridiculous.

If you are well and truly cornered like this video says, and you have some unidentified person crowding you and leaving you no retreat, then that gun needs to be out and ready and you yell "BACK OFF!" in a very loud voice. Make him very aware you are going to shoot him in the next instant of he leaves you no choice.

Well, except that the class I took didn't encourage keeping your gun in your coat pocket. I don't think fumbling around in your pocket to get a purchase on your loose weapon is necessarily going to be faster on the draw than someone who has the right holster and has practiced

You are not fumbling around for a gun, that's the whole point. Your gun is ALREADY in your hand in the pocket. All you have to do is pull it out, way way faster than brushing under a jacket/shirt to grab the gun. The woman in the video does everything wrong that she can. It's a great video for a lesson in getting killed. He who gets the gun out first and fires first will see the sunrise in the morning.

The point of that video was someone being caught completely off guard. Unless you walk around with your hand on your gun in your pocket all of the time, then in that situation, you would have to find the gun in your pocket.

Now if you do walk around 100% of the time with your hand on your gun, then you are right. But I don't think most of us want to live like that.  Most of us like to be able to use both of our arms. 

[Aloha]

I saw that video Xelkos.  It was really intense and scary. 

@fortytwo,  my thinking was purely theory as well  .  I was thinking the clothing people wear to conceal their gun needs to be moved then hand on gun and draw.  I've seen guys just wear t-shirts to conceal carry.   

The only videos that show how gun violence or how gun self defense actually goes down are CCTV footage.  These mock training scenarios are fine but people bent on doing wrong don't have rules of engagement.   

When its a life or death decision ( pulling weapon and using it ) I also think the average person does hesitate.  I'm am not talking about a bad person in the process of attacking. I'm talking about the threat within a distance to think first. 


@raistlin65  very fair assessment.

 http://www.policemag.com/channel/weapons/articles/2014/09/revisiting-the-21-foot-rule.aspx

[Gareth]

I saw that video Xelkos.  It was really intense and scary. 

@fortytwo,  my thinking was purely theory as well  .  I was thinking the clothing people wear to conceal their gun needs to be moved then hand on gun and draw.  I've seen guys just wear t-shirts to conceal carry.   

The only videos that show how gun violence or how gun self defense actually goes down are CCTV footage.  These mock training scenarios are fine but people bent on doing wrong don't have rules of engagement.   

When its a life or death decision ( pulling weapon and using it ) I also think the average person does hesitate.  I'm am not talking about a bad person in the process of attacking. I'm talking about the threat within a distance to think first. 


@raistlin65  very fair assessment.

 http://www.policemag.com/channel/weapons/articles/2014/09/revisiting-the-21-foot-rule.aspx

Interesting reading there mate.

[Outback in Idaho]

    Did you all ever see or hear about a Phillips & Rodgers Medusa M-47??
    It can fire more than 25 calibers, making it your go-to firearm in times of ammo shortages. From 9mm Luger to .357 Magnum, this revolver fires almost everything. Unfortunately it's no longer made, but can be purchased for a hefty chunk of change.

[Outback in Idaho]

    Just saw this post, Federal Premium adds new 9mm round to Micro HST line.



    Now shipping the new Micro HST 9mm Luger 150 grain round. Designed to pair alongside smaller, concealable guns the 150 grain 9mm Luger aims to reduce felt recoil and noise while shooting. Read the article if you want.

[Gareth]

    Did you all ever see or hear about a Phillips & Rodgers Medusa M-47??
    It can fire more than 25 calibers, making it your go-to firearm in times of ammo shortages. From 9mm Luger to .357 Magnum, this revolver fires almost everything. Unfortunately it's no longer made, but can be purchased for a hefty chunk of change.

Cool idea and doesn't actually seem that hard to do.  The "tab" that holds the pistol rounds just looks to be part of the extractor.

[captain spaulding]

    Just saw this post, Federal Premium adds new 9mm round to Micro HST line.

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    Now shipping the new Micro HST 9mm Luger 150 grain round. Designed to pair alongside smaller, concealable guns the 150 grain 9mm Luger aims to reduce felt recoil and noise while shooting. Read the article if you want.

Nice. I like Federal ammo a lot and usually only buy Federal.

Has anyone seen the RIP ammo. It came out a few years ago so it's not new, but still worth a look.

[HarleyXJGuy]

    Just saw this post, Federal Premium adds new 9mm round to Micro HST line.

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    Now shipping the new Micro HST 9mm Luger 150 grain round. Designed to pair alongside smaller, concealable guns the 150 grain 9mm Luger aims to reduce felt recoil and noise while shooting. Read the article if you want.

Nice. I like Federal ammo a lot and usually only buy Federal.

Has anyone seen the RIP ammo. It came out a few years ago so it's not new, but still worth a look.

Have not seen the RIP ammo but am also a Federal fan. Also think Cor Bon has some great stuff though.

[captain spaulding]

    Just saw this post, Federal Premium adds new 9mm round to Micro HST line.

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    Now shipping the new Micro HST 9mm Luger 150 grain round. Designed to pair alongside smaller, concealable guns the 150 grain 9mm Luger aims to reduce felt recoil and noise while shooting. Read the article if you want.

Nice. I like Federal ammo a lot and usually only buy Federal.

Has anyone seen the RIP ammo. It came out a few years ago so it's not new, but still worth a look.

Have not seen the RIP ammo but am also a Federal fan. Also think Cor Bon has some great stuff though.

Whats not to love about Federal! Its normally the least expensive with the exception of aluminum cased Russian crap and is the most uniform and consistent. So lets do the math....... Cheaper than the others with better quality and performance.....    No brainer from this angle. 


This is pertaining to "range" ammo in pistol calibers.

[dks]

Unless you do not live in the US. Even the cheapest US shells are ridiculously expensive here.

Being US made supposedly gives them mystical properties according to most dealers here, who will sell you 5 cheap quality US shells for the price of 25 decent made European ones. The better US ones are even more expensive.

[raistlin65]

    Just saw this post, Federal Premium adds new 9mm round to Micro HST line.

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    Now shipping the new Micro HST 9mm Luger 150 grain round. Designed to pair alongside smaller, concealable guns the 150 grain 9mm Luger aims to reduce felt recoil and noise while shooting. Read the article if you want.

Nice. I like Federal ammo a lot and usually only buy Federal.

Has anyone seen the RIP ammo. It came out a few years ago so it's not new, but still worth a look.

Have not seen the RIP ammo but am also a Federal fan. Also think Cor Bon has some great stuff though.

Whats not to love about Federal! Its normally the least expensive with the exception of aluminum cased Russian crap and is the most uniform and consistent. So lets do the math....... Cheaper than the others with better quality and performance.....    No brainer from this angle. 


This is pertaining to "range" ammo in pistol calibers.

I usually buy from Sportsman's Guide, and Federal is typically more expensive than Magtech, Fiocchi, and others. Otherwise, I'd buy it

[captain spaulding]

    Just saw this post, Federal Premium adds new 9mm round to Micro HST line.

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    Now shipping the new Micro HST 9mm Luger 150 grain round. Designed to pair alongside smaller, concealable guns the 150 grain 9mm Luger aims to reduce felt recoil and noise while shooting. Read the article if you want.

Nice. I like Federal ammo a lot and usually only buy Federal.

Has anyone seen the RIP ammo. It came out a few years ago so it's not new, but still worth a look.

Have not seen the RIP ammo but am also a Federal fan. Also think Cor Bon has some great stuff though.

Whats not to love about Federal! Its normally the least expensive with the exception of aluminum cased Russian crap and is the most uniform and consistent. So lets do the math....... Cheaper than the others with better quality and performance.....    No brainer from this angle. 


This is pertaining to "range" ammo in pistol calibers.

I usually buy from Sportsman's Guide, and Federal is typically more expensive than Magtech, Fiocchi, and others. Otherwise, I'd buy it

Maybe its priced differently or they carry different stuff. Federal has different lines of ammo. Magtech is nice. I will hapily shoot that.

[HarleyXJGuy]

Federal Wally World bulk packs make me happy.

[Outback in Idaho]

    9mm at Wally's World here suddenly got overly popular. I won't shoot PerFecta (Italian) again as it's dirtier and lacks consistency on target. Federal was all gone last night, ended up buying two boxes of Winchester 100 round value packs.
    Problem with Winchester wasn't/isn't the best and some folks have had jams and bad ejection issues. Hickok45 even had a few misfires from Winchester yet nary a fail with Federal.

    Ruger has this new ammo that's super light weight, ARX. 80 grains Luger 9mm ~ 56 grains .380 ACP?!?

    So far not found any 150 grain target ammo, it's all 115 grains.