firearms

[ducttapetech]

Also know as the "One Shot and they drop"

Not trying to start an argument and I assume you are joking but this is not the case.

A pistol is a very ineffective weapon when used by trained folks.

One shot stops is very much the exeption rather then the rule.

Important to know and train for if you use a firearm for self defense.

Yes and no on the joking. But it was called that by our G.I.s in WW2. I myself an a firm believer in double tap. And if your not sure, double tap again.

[ColoSwiss]

Also know as the "One Shot and they drop"

Not trying to start an argument and I assume you are joking but this is not the case.

A pistol is a very ineffective weapon when used by trained folks.

One shot stops is very much the exeption rather then the rule.

Important to know and train for if you use a firearm for self defense.

Yes and no on the joking. But it was called that by our G.I.s in WW2. I myself an a firm believer in double tap. And if your not sure, double tap again.

There are plenty of stories out of WWII about enemy troops who took a burst from a Thompson and kept on coming or kept on going. About the smallest round I've never heard of a failure to stop is a Browning .50

[Lynn LeFey]

There was a Russian pilot in WWII that got shot with, I THINK a 20mm, in the head, and survived, landed his plain, even. I have to assume that either armor broke the round apart before the guy was hit (by a fragment) or it was the lightest of grazes. I dunno. I'm CERTAIN a whole 20mm round didn't make solid impact with the guy's head, because no one survives that.

Weird stuff happens.

I heard another case, from an episode of 'Crime 360', where a guy was running away from another guy, like 30 yards away, both guys were running. The chasing guy shoots the other with a .380 pocket pistol, hits the other guy right in the 'walnut', the base of the brain. Instant kill. Hitting even center mass with a .380 pocket pistol at 30 yards is impressive. Doing it at a full run is insane. Hitting someone with an instant kill shot is one of those flukes that while possible, seems against all odds.

[captain spaulding]

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Just because not all of our Police are armed, doesn't mean none of them are.

Pfftt.... Our citizens are toting more firepower than that. 

I am joking, but not really.

[ColoSwiss]

I've heard stories that Eskimos hunt polar bears with .22 LRs. They wait by a breathing hole and when the bear surfaces shot it in the head and then run like he#.

Some of the old-time ivory hunters used the 6.5mm Mannlicher-Schoennauer, because the solid bullet had excellent penetration and the low noise didn't frighten the herd.

If I was an insurance agent, I don't think I would sell members of either group a policy.

[Lynn LeFey]

Just got a facebook message from one of the members of my gun-shooting club. Looks like next time out, I'll get to shoot an M1895 Nagant revolver. Looks neat. I'll be interested to see how it shoots.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagant_M1895

[ColoSwiss]

Just got a facebook message from one of the members of my gun-shooting club. Looks like next time out, I'll get to shoot an M1895 Nagant revolver. Looks neat. I'll be interested to see how it shoots.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nagant_M1895

Never had a chance to fire one. Have fun, and let us know how it went.

[ducttapetech]

I love shooting mine.
Fun revolver.

[HarleyXJGuy]

Cool looking pistola.

Report back on how it shoots please Lynn.

[Lynn LeFey]

Report back on how it shoots please Lynn.

Will do. 

Although, i don't think our next meeting is likely to be until February or thereabouts.

[ducttapetech]

Report back on how it shoots please Lynn.

Will do. 

Although, i don't think our next meeting is likely to be until February or thereabouts.

Are you gonna shoot the 7.62x38r or 32 mags?

[Lynn LeFey]

Are you gonna shoot the 7.62x38r or 32 mags?

I don't know yet. All I know at this point is that it's a Nagant M19895 revolver. More details as I learn them.

I was reading about the gas seal system. The pistol sounds kind of amazing for the era in which it was made.

[ducttapetech]

Yeah, I like how the cylinder slides forward. But you have to use the Russian ammo for it to seal.
Also, it is easy to take down and clean. Heads up, it has a super heavy trigger pull if it is stock.

[Chako]

Good grief. I found my PAL course paperwork. It appears I got it in the mail a  week and a half ago...and didn't notice it as I quickly and absentmindedly placed more papers over it. I was doing a little cleaning and found the papers. Now all I need is my restricted paperwork, and I should be good to go.   

[HarleyXJGuy]

Good grief. I found my PAL course paperwork. It appears I got it in the mail a  week and a half ago...and didn't notice it as I quickly and absentmindedly placed more papers over it. I was doing a little cleaning and found the papers. Now all I need is my restricted paperwork, and I should be good to go.   

Good thing you found it.

You have to go through all this stuff just to buy a firearm? You are a grown adult person with no criminal record?

[Chako]

As a High School teacher, I can't have a criminal record.

Yeah, one has to jump through flaming hoops to buy firearms in Canada. It does nothing to prevent criminals from getting them however.

Taking the RCMP firearms safety course in order to get a PAL, which allows you to buy non-restricted firearms such as hunting rifles and shotguns, and the ammunition that goes with it, does make sense. If you want to get into pistols, then things get interesting. Pistols in Canada are restricted in the sense that you need a Transportation document from the local regional firearms officer in order to transport it back and forth to the gun range. Therefore, you can't just pack your pistol and go anywhere. This means you have to belong to a gun club in order to buy one...and of course pass the restricted safety course. Then there are the prohibited weapons which can be anything too short for a long rifle or shotgun, to having too many bullets in your magazines, to very short barrel pistols.

If you want to hunt, you also need to take the hunter's safety course. Can't hunt with pistols either.

Now for the PAL and restricted, I have to get a passport style photo, 2 affidavits from people I know, and 80 something bucks to apply for the actual licence.

Yeah, lots of restrictions for firearms in Canada.

[HarleyXJGuy]

I will never understand this at all.

Criminals do not use legal firearms, short of making sure you are not a felon and maybe some form of safety class all this is a waste of money and time. Does not do one bit of good.

[Chako]

That is the Canadian Government for you.

[Etherealicer]

I will never understand this at all.

Criminals do not use legal firearms, short of making sure you are not a felon and maybe some form of safety class all this is a waste of money and time. Does not do one bit of good.

Its pretty simple, you arrest the criminal for carrying an illegal firearm. That way you don't have to wait until he kills somebody until you have the legal means to disarm him (and throw his ass into jail).

[HarleyXJGuy]

I will never understand this at all.

Criminals do not use legal firearms, short of making sure you are not a felon and maybe some form of safety class all this is a waste of money and time. Does not do one bit of good.

Its pretty simple, you arrest the criminal for carrying an illegal firearm. That way you don't have to wait until he kills somebody until you have the legal means to disarm him (and throw his ass into jail).

Yeah for sure brother.

Here in the US for example it is against the law for a criminal to carry a firearm of any kind.

I was talking about law following school teachers and the like.

[derekmac]

I think a part of it might be that the fewer guns there are overall, the lesser the chance a criminal can get one.

[Smashie]

As a High School teacher, I can't have a criminal record.

Yeah, one has to jump through flaming hoops to buy firearms in Canada. It does nothing to prevent criminals from getting them however.

Taking the RCMP firearms safety course in order to get a PAL, which allows you to buy non-restricted firearms such as hunting rifles and shotguns, and the ammunition that goes with it, does make sense. If you want to get into pistols, then things get interesting. Pistols in Canada are restricted in the sense that you need a Transportation document from the local regional firearms officer in order to transport it back and forth to the gun range. Therefore, you can't just pack your pistol and go anywhere. This means you have to belong to a gun club in order to buy one...and of course pass the restricted safety course. Then there are the prohibited weapons which can be anything too short for a long rifle or shotgun, to having too many bullets in your magazines, to very short barrel pistols.

If you want to hunt, you also need to take the hunter's safety course. Can't hunt with pistols either.

Now for the PAL and restricted, I have to get a passport style photo, 2 affidavits from people I know, and 80 something bucks to apply for the actual licence.

Yeah, lots of restrictions for firearms in Canada.

Wow and I thought UK was bad, well England, Scotland and Wales, Northern Ireland is a slightly different story

[Chako]

It is not that bad. No laws restricting archery outside of hunting, and our knife laws are fairly lax.

[Smashie]

It is not that bad. No laws restricting archery outside of hunting, and our knife laws are fairly lax.

No Center fire semi-auto, no auto shotguns without a firearms certificate, no hunting with any form of archery or sling shot, not trapping with snares and I'm sure I don't need to mention out bass-akwards knife laws.

Having said all that, if you ever get the chance, go fishing with a grenade (It wasn't in the UK).

Oh and as much as I like handguns I love rifles, again a problem here is muzzle velocity is limited at ranges like Bisley so you have to wait for few occasions that the Military ranges are open. Or you spend money and go somewhere else 

[HarleyXJGuy]

It is not that bad. No laws restricting archery outside of hunting, and our knife laws are fairly lax.

This got me thinking what kind of gun collection Chako might have if he had been born in the US lol.

[Smashie]

It is not that bad. No laws restricting archery outside of hunting, and our knife laws are fairly lax.

This got me thinking what kind of gun collection Chako might have if he had been born in the US lol.

I tried to think about this and my mind melted. How many variants are there for rifles and handguns, even if you picked one manufacturer or design, Glock, Sig or 1911 and AR-15. Even my own favorite the Ruger 10/22 has more possible combinations than I can get my tiny mind around!
 

[ducttapetech]

He would be like the rest of the us Americans. LOL!
I have more firearms than I do SAKs and multipliers combined.

[HarleyXJGuy]

He would be like the rest of the us Americans. LOL!
I have more firearms than I do SAKs and multipliers combined.

I use to be this way too. Then I decided to make a serious effort to have only one of each type of firearm that I was interested and invest the rest of my money in ammo and my daughter.

So now I have one bolt rifle, AR, Glock, Shotgun, .22 pistol, .22 rifle, Revolver well you get the idea.

Come to think of it I still have more firearms then SAKs and MTs lol.

[Chako]

I am not going nuts. I would like a .22 pistol that I haven't determined yet what model, 1 .22 rifle...either an AR type or the Ruger 10/22. That will be my starter set...but going to focus on a pistol first.

[HarleyXJGuy]

I am not going nuts. I would like a .22 pistol that I haven't determined yet what model, 1 .22 rifle...either an AR type or the Ruger 10/22. That will be my starter set...but going to focus on a pistol first.

I have shot tons of .22 pistols and have found no better then this. Ruger Mark II. It is not made anymore so if it is to hard to find the Mark III is an ok substitute.



Going to go with a Ruger for rifle also even though the Savage .22s are very nice also. 10/22 with a match barrel and aftermarket trigger. Green Mountain and Kidd for me but there are tons of good ones.