JAfromMn = Bad Deal

[multiprim]

Been over a week since JAfromMn got my end of the trade, and he has yet to ship.

On this thread, he openly claims he may not ship it right away, even though he originally committed to shipping it on the 15th.

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,56413.0.html

Safe to say, I won't be dealing with him, again.

If I don't get my trade, his own statements will reflect why. Even if I do eventually get my trade, my negative feedback will stand. A jerk like this needs to be exposed for what he is, so other members don't get inconvenienced by his way of dealing.

Since he's been so open about deliberately not completing a trade (that's how I see it), I hope the Mods take whatever action is standard for his type of behavior.

Thanks. Happy Holidays!

[Mr. Whippy]

We watch the feedback forums.  It's important.

[JAfromMn]

Mods Edited my rant .

Nice people can say what eve they want about me and I don't get to defend my self.



Multiprim is a picky smurf.

Hell get his stuff + some stuff.

I've been busy working or sick

Sorry

I suck I guess
 

I've only traded here a few dozen times at least .

Ohh ive held 3 nice giveaways too
 

Don't trust me
 

[Mr. Whippy]

Mods Edited my rant .

Nice people can say what eve they want about me and I don't get to defend my self.



Multiprim is a picky smurf.

Hell get his stuff + some stuff.

I've been busy working or sick

Sorry

I suck I guess
 

I've only traded here a few dozen times at least .

Ohh ive held 3 nice giveaways too
 

Don't trust me

Actually Joel, if we edit a post, it lists it at the bottom of WHO modified the post and at WHAT TIME.  That isn't present on any posts in this thread and only you modified your post in the linked thread above.  Please stay above board with accusations.  Thanks.

[JAfromMn]

Why don't you just lock this one too until I make it to the post office tomorrow.

[Kampfer]

I had traded with both of you in the pass, you both treated me well. I hope this is just a case of miscommunication and things would work out right at both ends.

[JAfromMn]

I'm going to the post office in a few minutes.

I'm tempted to post his stupid tracking number here

It's all good kyle.  Guys impatient.  Hell be happy with our trade when he gets it.

I've been busy or sick. Not much more I can say.

[derekmac]

There we go, it's getting mailed.  Let's all take a breath and enjoy the holiday spirit!! 

[kirk13]

Joel,anyone who's read your long term reviews,or followed your extremely random thoughts,knows how hard you work,or the random smurf that gets thrown in your path.

We know you honour your trades,and your deals. We know your word is good.

Nuff said

[Smashie]

There we go, it's getting mailed.  Let's all take a breath and enjoy the holiday spirit!! 

'tis the season to be jelly after all 

[JAfromMn]

It's in the mail with a few goodies. 

I suck at getting to the post office. 

Not much more I can say.

Thanks for the support though everyone.


I really hate having a topic like this on mto about me.

[JAfromMn]

I insured his package for 100.00 just in case it doesn't get there.

[multiprim]

I'm glad this matter is getting resolved. I appreciate it. Will confirm when my package arrives.

For what it's worth, I understand this issue got wide attention on this forum. Regardless of which side your on, I truly value the honor system in our sales/trades threads, not just on MTO, but on all related forums.

Throughout the years, I've done over a hundred deals with folks on several forums and maintained a 100% feedback ratio. Many times, I've gone above & beyond whatever was expected because when I commit to a deal, it remains a top priority till it's done. If I cannot devote full attention to doing a deal, I don't make it until I know I can see it through. I don't post a trade or sale unless I know I can ensure a smooth transaction. A lot of folks who've dealt with me know this about me. Sure, some may have issue with my personality. But, no one's ever had a problem in dealing with me on a trade or sale.

I expect the same in return, especially when I've been given a time frame. There's nothing impatient or unreasonable about expecting someone to follow through on their own commitment/s.

If something comes up, it's simple, communication is in order. If someone keeps me in the loop, I've always been understanding about it. Whenever I feel the deal's being treated with disregard, I'll say something. I hope folks can see my side. If not, to each his own.

Glad we can put this to rest, so we can all resume with our regularly scheduled program.

Happy Holidays to all MTO Members. I wish you all a great 2015.

Peace!

Sincerely,

Jose

[Mr. Whippy]

 

[JAfromMn]

I can't wait till this guy gets his stuff.

@$#&%?¿


You all will have to excuse me for having a smurfy job.

maybe I just should quit trading because I don't know what I'm doing from day to day work wise.

[Mr. Whippy]

I think communication lubricates all internet transactions.

[multiprim]

I think communication lubricates all internet transactions.

Real-life transactions, too. I think that's how K-Y become so popular, LOL!

Sorry, 1942 Extra Anejo Tequila flowing. 

[captain spaulding]

I think communication lubricates all internet transactions.

Speaking of......

Free sample anyone. 

http://www.astroglide.com/sample/

[babola]

I think communication lubricates all internet transactions.

Speaking of......

Free sample anyone. 

http://www.astroglide.com/sample/

 

I stick to known and long-proven brands...also, never hear of "Astroglide", LOL!

[multiprim]

I think communication lubricates all internet transactions.

Speaking of......

Free sample anyone. 

http://www.astroglide.com/sample/

 

I stick to known and long-proven brands...also, never hear of "Astroglide", LOL!

I hear these types of products work great on multi-tools. 

[sawman]

I can vouch for Joel, you'll get your stuff but this feedback is in poor taste and premature. What it tells me, is not to deal with YOU in the future.

[Etherealicer]

I can vouch for Joel, you'll get your stuff but this feedback is in poor taste and premature. What it tells me, is not to deal with YOU in the future.

Yes and no. I think this matter should have been resolved by PM, the post is here proving that it didn't.

For some people 6 days delay might mean nothing but for others it might be a nightmare (some people have anxieties and such. Me I would not sleep and get all itchy until it is resolved / matters are clarified).

So I think Joel should have worked harder on the communication (I at least think he handled it very badly and was quite aggressive in his tone instead of apologetically for his delay, at least the part that we actually can read in the other thread).

In Summary, communication is key. With better communication this could have been avoided.

[babola]

... this feedback is in poor taste and premature. What it tells me, is not to deal with YOU in the future.

That's a bit harsh.

[enki_ck]

I can vouch for Joel, you'll get your stuff but this feedback is in poor taste and premature. What it tells me, is not to deal with YOU in the future.

And you guys wonder why no one leaves bad feedback here to warn you about potential issues.

It's cause of stuff like this. Cause someone leaves a bad feedback he gets attacked by members who weren't part of the trade cause they have traded before with the person and it went well for them.

So no one leaves bad feedback ever and that's why we find out about problems only when 10+ members get hurt in trades. We might as well take the whole feedback board down then. What's the use of it.

[gregozedobe]

I find the feedback sub-forum very useful when deciding whether to trade with someone or not, and would very much miss it if it was removed.  And yes, negative feedback is still useful feedback.

Factual information (preferably minus too much emotion) is paramount, and being over-protective and defensive isn't very helpful.  We should all be able to describe what OUR actual experience is without being attacked by others who happened to have a different experience.

Just my opinion, feel free to have your own   

[Teofilo]

I've traded with Joel and it went smooth. Sawman is friend and I'm
 not taking sides with them. PM should have been the best option
to settle this miscommunication.  But they wanted to post what they
feel,and so be it. We're not little kids anymore. Nikola is right, this is
what the feedback section of the forum is all about, say what you feel .
That sirs, is my opinion. Merry Christmas!

[N_N_R]

I also tried NOT to post here because I don't know either of these people, but eventually I'd also say that negative feedback is also useful and useful not because it's against another member just SO.

For example, now that this parcel was delayed, this won't mean that either of these people is bad to deal with. For me, it would just tell me that if I ever dealt with JA, there might be the risk of the the parcel getting delayed.

So the feedback helps other people not to be "disappointed" in the future. This doesn't mean that the person is bad and incorrect, but it means that there are circumstances in their life that might prevent them from being 100% punctual.

I myself like punctuality and have always tried to do things in time. If it's impossible, one should just inform the other party about the delay and not mention certain dates and deadlines.

I absolutely understand multiprim's annoyance and impatience (I'm also kinda impatient). But I've also seen lots of positive feedback on JA.

[Mr. Whippy]

 

I also tried NOT to post here because I don't know either of these people, but eventually I'd also say that negative feedback is also useful and useful not because it's against another member just SO.

For example, now that this parcel was delayed, this won't mean that either of these people is bad to deal with. For me, it would just tell me that if I ever dealt with JA, there might be the risk of the the parcel getting delayed.

So the feedback helps other people not to be "disappointed" in the future. This doesn't mean that the person is bad and incorrect, but it means that there are circumstances in their life that might prevent them from being 100% punctual.

I myself like punctuality and have always tried to do things in time. If it's impossible, one should just inform the other party about the delay and not mention certain dates and deadlines.

I absolutely understand multiprim's annoyance and impatience (I'm also kinda impatient). But I've also seen lots of positive feedback on JA.

 

You put this perfectly.

[sawman]

I want a reliable feedback system the same as everyone does. In this case, multiprim's complaint seemed too hasty. Knowing Joel, communication with him has always been instantaneous, at least for me, leading me to wonder if this couldn't have been resolved privately.

[Rux]

To play devil's advocate;

Obviously JA has been here for some time and has some vouchers/good transactions under his belt however the people so quick to point fingers need to try to see the other person's POV.

In this case, going by what has been posted and made public for others to read;
JA asked for multiprim to ship first to "be safe".

multiprim obviously NOT being a scammer complied, as someone with good intentions wouldn't care about shipping first.

JA promised the goods to be shipped on the 15th. The 15th came and went, and multiprim was met with what he thought (and he had every right to, it's not like he knows JA on a personal first name basis) was BS excuses.

Then when he still hasn't received the goods, he sees an item he traded to JA already up again in the trade forum.

I'm sorry, nothing against JA, I know he's a regular here and liked by many but I can't say I would be all warm and fuzzy inside regarding my trade.

To say this post is hasty after waiting exactly 1 week from the day of being promised for the tracking number is a pretty ridiculous claim. Just because it's a "regular" doesn't mean anyone is under less scrutiny from the other end of the business transaction.

Nobody likes to see their friends on the chopping block of accusations and harsh criticisms but a deal is a deal. If we can't rely on and take people at their word... well what exact good is the trade forums?

My rant is off. JA, I know you're very busy. I hope things settle down for you and after this transaction you'll stop stressing yourself out so much. Everybody makes mistakes from time to time, smurf happens.

multiprim; I would do business with you as it's obvious from this transaction that you are prompt and quick to ship when following through on your word.

To everyone else jumping on the bash multiprim bandwagon, have a heart and give the guy some slack. Victim shaming is bad in any venue and prevents people from stepping forward when something goes south/awry.

I'm sure I'll have some haters after making this post. So be it, I've got my flame suit on. Take your jabs, IDGAF.

Merry Christmas.