JAfromMn = Bad Deal

[AimlessWanderer]

I also tried NOT to post here because I don't know either of these people, but eventually I'd also say that negative feedback is also useful and useful not because it's against another member just SO.

For example, now that this parcel was delayed, this won't mean that either of these people is bad to deal with. For me, it would just tell me that if I ever dealt with JA, there might be the risk of the the parcel getting delayed.

So the feedback helps other people not to be "disappointed" in the future. This doesn't mean that the person is bad and incorrect, but it means that there are circumstances in their life that might prevent them from being 100% punctual.

I myself like punctuality and have always tried to do things in time. If it's impossible, one should just inform the other party about the delay and not mention certain dates and deadlines.

I absolutely understand multiprim's annoyance and impatience (I'm also kinda impatient). But I've also seen lots of positive feedback on JA.

Great post! 

I'm another person who can often take a little longer than others in getting to the PO (real life is a PITA at times), but I try to up front about it and courteous in my discussions about it. I think if there's any real criticisms here, it's that BOTH Joel and Jose could have communicated better. Both seemed rather aggressive and inflammatory in their discussions, and they would have both benefited from a calmer approach.

I agree with N_N_R about the feedback being useful. I know that if I deal with Joel, I might have to wait a while before he can get his end of things in shape, and if I deal with Jose, he might get irritated with me too  If nothing else, it's let everybody work out their frustrations and now the package is in the mail and folks have got stuff of their chest, we all go back to happy smilie. It's never nice to see bad feedback, particularly when it's someone we like or have had good experience with ourselves, but at times it is necessary and can be beneficial to all ... even the guy who's been roasted  Sometimes a kick up the arse hurts aat the time, but later you're glad it happened 

[JAfromMn]

I can vouch for Joel, you'll get your stuff but this feedback is in poor taste and premature. What it tells me, is not to deal with YOU in the future.

 

[SolomonKane79]

To play devil's advocate;

Obviously JA has been here for some time and has some vouchers/good transactions under his belt however the people so quick to point fingers need to try to see the other person's POV.

In this case, going by what has been posted and made public for others to read;
JA asked for multiprim to ship first to "be safe".

multiprim obviously NOT being a scammer complied, as someone with good intentions wouldn't care about shipping first.

JA promised the goods to be shipped on the 15th. The 15th came and went, and multiprim was met with what he thought (and he had every right to, it's not like he knows JA on a personal first name basis) was BS excuses.

Then when he still hasn't received the goods, he sees an item he traded to Joel already up again in the trade forum.

I'm sorry, nothing against JA, I know he's a regular here and liked by many but I can't say I would be all warm and fuzzy inside regarding my trade.

To say this post is hasty after waiting exactly 1 week from the day of being promised for the tracking number is a pretty ridiculous claim. Just because it's a "regular" doesn't mean anyone is under less scrutiny from the other end of the business transaction.

Nobody likes to see their friends on the chopping block of accusations and harsh criticisms but a deal is a deal. If we can't rely on and take people at their word... well what exact good is the trade forums?

My rant is off. JA, I know you're very busy. I hope things settle down for you and after this transaction you'll stop stressing yourself out so much. Everybody makes mistakes from time to time, smurf happens.

multiprim; I would do business with you as it's obvious from this transaction that you are prompt and quick to ship when following through on your word.

To everyone else jumping on the bash multiprim bandwagon, have a heart and give the guy some slack. Victim shaming is bad in any venue and prevents people from stepping forward when something goes south/awry.

I'm sure I'll have some haters after making this post. So be it, I've got my flame suit on. Take your jabs, IDGAF.

Merry Christmas.

My thoughts exactly. And by experience.

[derekmac]

To play devil's advocate;

Obviously JA has been here for some time and has some vouchers/good transactions under his belt however the people so quick to point fingers need to try to see the other person's POV.

In this case, going by what has been posted and made public for others to read;
JA asked for multiprim to ship first to "be safe".

multiprim obviously NOT being a scammer complied, as someone with good intentions wouldn't care about shipping first.

JA promised the goods to be shipped on the 15th. The 15th came and went, and multiprim was met with what he thought (and he had every right to, it's not like he knows JA on a personal first name basis) was BS excuses.

Then when he still hasn't received the goods, he sees an item he traded to Joel already up again in the trade forum.

I'm sorry, nothing against JA, I know he's a regular here and liked by many but I can't say I would be all warm and fuzzy inside regarding my trade.

To say this post is hasty after waiting exactly 1 week from the day of being promised for the tracking number is a pretty ridiculous claim. Just because it's a "regular" doesn't mean anyone is under less scrutiny from the other end of the business transaction.

Nobody likes to see their friends on the chopping block of accusations and harsh criticisms but a deal is a deal. If we can't rely on and take people at their word... well what exact good is the trade forums?

My rant is off. JA, I know you're very busy. I hope things settle down for you and after this transaction you'll stop stressing yourself out so much. Everybody makes mistakes from time to time, smurf happens.

multiprim; I would do business with you as it's obvious from this transaction that you are prompt and quick to ship when following through on your word.

To everyone else jumping on the bash multiprim bandwagon, have a heart and give the guy some slack. Victim shaming is bad in any venue and prevents people from stepping forward when something goes south/awry.

I'm sure I'll have some haters after making this post. So be it, I've got my flame suit on. Take your jabs, IDGAF.

Merry Christmas.

My thoughts exactly. And by experience.

I agree with this as well.

I would have no problem trading with either JA or multiprim.  JA has proven himself time and time again, and multiprim had no problem shipping first to show he's not here to rip anyone off, which to me, makes him a good guy to deal with.

[JAfromMn]

I think this has all been stupid.

I got busy then I got sick. Not much more to it than that.

[dks]

Merry Christmas everyone             

[JAfromMn]

Having a topic like this about me is not at all what I wanted for xmas.

[dks]

Just to clarify, the post/picture was a general one, regarding the thread, and not addressed to JA   

[JAfromMn]

Just to clarify, the post/picture was a general one, regarding the thread, and not addressed to JA   

Ahh no sweat dks

It fits

 Im Grumpy. I know it.

[Aloha]

I've been keeping up with this to see how it all plays out.

Enki, NNR, and WildJ all  for your spot on posts. 

My thoughts are to always PM till the moment the dialogue stops.  Then take whatever means are needed to have resolve.  I have no problem with airing out dissatisfaction as long as one can stay to the facts without emotional words.   

Multiprim has every right to respond to what he felt was lack of communication on JAs part.  This was his impression to what he and JA agreed upon so we are not in a position to judge what MP felt was happening.  It appears JA felt he had to defend his reputation and that is also fine.  I do feel there were some harsh words used on each side and that was not necessary and unfortunate.

I also feel in the spirit of MTo we need to own our smurf and make every attempt at delivering on your end of the trade/sale.

I think this type feedback is needed and something we all can grow from and learn from once we filter the emotions out.  Trust is something very fragile here on the interwebs and something we need to preserve here on MTo.  Communication is always the key however once that fails the next time maybe invite someone to moderate the issue.       

I'd trade with each in a heartbeat and hope once the item makes its way to Multiprim they can both put this aside.               

[Mercury]

Not to rekindle anything here, but I wanted to interject.  Not like it matters, it's just my opinion so take it for what it is. 


I find that too often opinions can be influenced by popular opinion, as might be the case in this thread. 


The OP did not post any pertinent details about the transaction, meaning no official quotes from PM's were listed, throwing the accusation itself into question.  From a raw face value perspective, it really appears we just have someone who is really impatient accusing a long standing member of wrongdoing after what appears to be a six day delay.  That's ridiculous.  For one thing, when you trade on the internet, you put yourself out there.  It's all on the honor system, and if you are too smurfing picky or impatient then it should simply be avoided.  Sometimes it takes a while for folks to get things out, doesn't mean they are bad guys.  I have traded several times with a MOD on this forum, who simply forgets about the trade sometimes!  I remind him, he apologizes and sends the goodies to me.  He is reliable, and always sends extras.  I just know that if I am going to trade with him it won't be instant, I know that going in.  Even for the first trade, when I didn't know it would take a while, I wasn't mad.  It's the INTERNET.  You are trading with someone you don't know on terms laid down in a glorified text message.  This is not Ebay. 


Posting negative feedback before closure has been attained is definitely premature and harsh.  I'm with Sawman on this one.  Keep it to PM's.  If it really looks like you won't be getting your stuff, PM a Moderator.  With longtime members, a quick PM from a Mod should solve it.  If that doesn't work, that's when you post negative feedback, and keep it civil.  Calling someone a Jerk on the internet shows about as much maturity as calling them a Poopy-head.  You sound like my 6 year old.  I've been communicating with Joel for a long time and he is a good guy. 


I'm not excusing his behavior, because it's not right to keep someone waiting, but it really sounds like he had some valid reasons and the OP didn't care to hear them or didn't wait to hear them. 


People who care to post on this forum for YEARS and trade here have decided they want to stick around, so naturally they would try to stay in good favor with everyone.  Communicate better next time.  I remember I had a trade with a member this year that went south.  He and I disagreed on some definitions of quality, but  He never posted negative feedback against me, nor I against him.  We resolved the issue ourselves and understand one another better. 


I won't apologize for this rant, because I feel it needed to be said.  Some people need to stop being so sensitive.  When you truly get screwed over, I will be more than happy to shout it from the rooftops alongside you and help make it right, for whatever that's worth.

[Syph007]

Since everyone else has weighed in, I'll add my 2 cents.

Negative feedback is an important protection mechanism to the trade section.  IMO if a week goes by with no communication I'd want some warning of potential bad deal.  It could be not a big deal like this case where there was no malice intended, or it could be a warning of a really bad deal, which is rare here, but happens.

Example, that Cougerblades jerk who ripped off a few members here.  What if the person who posted negative feedback, waited longer to post, more people could have been victimized.   Better to raise the alarm once you think there is something fishy.  When to raise the alarm is a judgement call, but for me like I said after a week of no communication, after I have paid or sent item in a trade, would be the red flag for me. 

[JAfromMn]

Merry Christmas

I answered every pm or email promptly.

[multiprim]

I can vouch for Joel, you'll get your stuff but this feedback is in poor taste and premature. What it tells me, is not to deal with YOU in the future.

Thanks for shooting off your mouth, saw. I see you didn't even bother to read what the issue was about. And, now I can add another idiot to the list of folks not to deal with. Guess you made it easy for both of us. Good luck for 2015, another year of people like you wasting space & air. 

[multiprim]

Merry Christmas

I answered every pm or email promptly.

When you failed to ship on the 15th, the date you set, you never followed up with me. I'm the one who had to contact you on Friday (19th) to see if you could provide a tracking# to see where my package was, only to learn that hadn't even shipped it.

Had I not taken the initiative to contact you, you might still be screwing off about it. I'd never know, because your communication was lacking.

Now, STFU already, the package arrived. The deal is done. Now, you can back to being legend in your own mind and showing your ass to everyone about what a great guy your are.

Happy Holidays! 

[JAfromMn]

Class Act

Don't bash my friends for sticking up for me.

Hopefully your mall ninja krambit will get to Monday and you can close your mouth.

Merry Christmas

[JAfromMn]

Merry Christmas

I answered every pm or email promptly.

When you failed to ship on the 15th, the date you set, you never followed up with me. I'm the one who had to contact you on Friday (19th) to see if you could provide a tracking# to see where my package was, only to learn that hadn't even shipped it.

Had I not taken the initiative to contact you, you might still be screwing off about it. I'd never know, because your communication was lacking.

Now, STFU already, the package arrived. The deal is done. Now, you can back to being legend in your own mind and showing your ass to everyone about what a great guy your are.

Happy Holidays! 

I hope you fall on the krambit

Merry Christmas

[multiprim]

Since everyone else has weighed in, I'll add my 2 cents.

Negative feedback is an important protection mechanism to the trade section.  IMO if a week goes by with no communication I'd want some warning of potential bad deal.  It could be not a big deal like this case where there was no malice intended, or it could be a warning of a really bad deal, which is rare here, but happens.

Example, that Cougerblades jerk who ripped off a few members here.  What if the person who posted negative feedback, waited longer to post, more people could have been victimized.   Better to raise the alarm once you think there is something fishy.  When to raise the alarm is a judgement call, but for me like I said after a week of no communication, after I have paid or sent item in a trade, would be the red flag for me.

Thank you, Syph007. And, that wasn't the only red flag for me. There was the added piece of JAfromMn having already posted one of the knives I sent him in trade up for re-trade, while still not mailing my package out and claiming he hadn't had time to complete the trade, yet had time to kick off another trade.

I know some folks here aren't going to get it, and that's fine. I'm just grateful some members do see where I was coming from. Glad to know MTO still has reasonable folks.

Thanks, again. Merry Christmas & Happy New Year! 

[multiprim]

Merry Christmas

I answered every pm or email promptly.

When you failed to ship on the 15th, the date you set, you never followed up with me. I'm the one who had to contact you on Friday (19th) to see if you could provide a tracking# to see where my package was, only to learn that hadn't even shipped it.

Had I not taken the initiative to contact you, you might still be screwing off about it. I'd never know, because your communication was lacking.

Now, STFU already, the package arrived. The deal is done. Now, you can back to being legend in your own mind and showing your ass to everyone about what a great guy your are.

Happy Holidays! 

I hope you fall on the krambit

Merry Christmas

If it means you'll stop whining, I might.

[JAfromMn]

I am Legend

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A2KLqIXPSZtUgR4ACx37w8QF;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjBzZmhtBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDdmlkBHZ0aWQDBGdwb3MDNg--?p=i+am+legend+white+zombie&vid=374a5f2222eb751397a5302aba8b4e2d&l=5%3A14&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts3.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DVN.608006527284019802%26pid%3D15.1&rurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DA58s7FZnj40&tit=White+Zombie+I+Am+Legend+%28REMASTERED+de+Anand+Bhatt%29&c=5&sigr=11b0n9ptj&sigt=11kl0lnkv&age=0&fr2=p%3As%2Cv%3Av%2Cm%3Asa&&tt=b

[sawman]

multiprim, you seem to be a very mean spirited person. Merry Christmas Mr Grinch.

[multiprim]

Class Act

Don't bash my friends for sticking up for me.

Hopefully your mall ninja krambit will get to Monday and you can close your mouth.

Merry Christmas

Then, maybe your friends should stay out of it. 
Your friends aren't doing you any favors by letting you believe you're in the right, here.

[multiprim]

multiprim, you seem to be a very mean spirited person. Merry Christmas Mr Grinch.

Said the moron who negatively engages with me when it's none of his business.

[derekmac]

Merry Christmas! 

[JAfromMn]

I am Legend

http://video.search.yahoo.com/video/play;_ylt=A2KLqIXPSZtUgR4ACx37w8QF;_ylu=X3oDMTByMjBzZmhtBHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDdmlkBHZ0aWQDBGdwb3MDNg--?p=i+am+legend+white+zombie&vid=374a5f2222eb751397a5302aba8b4e2d&l=5%3A14&turl=http%3A%2F%2Fts3.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DVN.608006527284019802%26pid%3D15.1&rurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DA58s7FZnj40&tit=White+Zombie+I+Am+Legend+%28REMASTERED+de+Anand+Bhatt%29&c=5&sigr=11b0n9ptj&sigt=11kl0lnkv&age=0&fr2=p%3As%2Cv%3Av%2Cm%3Asa&&tt=b

Awesome

[multiprim]

I want a reliable feedback system the same as everyone does. In this case, multiprim's complaint seemed too hasty. Knowing Joel, communication with him has always been instantaneous, at least for me, leading me to wonder if this couldn't have been resolved privately.

Sales & trades are a case-by-case basis, plain and simple. One deal can go right as rain. The next can be a disaster. Punctuality is part of the transaction. If any part of the deal is going sour, it's only right to post about it, so folks know what to expect.

[enki_ck]

This thread is now locked. If anyone has the need to talk about it more, take it to PM.