Spider-Man joins Marvel CU

Lynn LeFey · **on:** February 10, 2015, 09:34:13 PM

Where to begin?

I'm a nerd. I have been a Spider-Man fan since I was old enough to flip through comic books. I have loved the Marvel Cinematic Universe (Iron Man, Captain America, Thor, Avengers), and have hoped against hope that Spider-Man would somehow come back into the realm of Marvel control.

See... back in about 1996, Marvel went bankrupt. This sorta-kinda led them to eventually selling the movie rights to some of their properties to Sony and Fox. Sony got Spider-Man. Fox got X-Men and Fantastic Four. If you wonder why "X-Men Origins: Wolverine" EVER got made, it was a mostly a legal maneuver to allow Fox to keep the film rights to the X-Men franchise. Then you also get weird stuff like a fairly minor secondary character called Quicksilver getting split between owners, so he appears BOTH in 'X-Men: Days of Future Past', AND in the teaser at the end of 'Captain America: Winter Soldier'... and will feature in 'Avengers: Age of Ultron'. Confused yet? Don't feel bad, we all are.

It's about the same with Sony and Spider-Man. Why the Andrew Garfield 'Amazing Spider-Man' so soon after the Toby MacGuire series? Film rights.

So... it seemed pretty unlikely that Marvel was actually ever going to get Spider-Man back. But they did. At least... to a degree. Marvel announced a new Spider-Man movie today stuck into the phase 3 movie slate, bumping 'Thor: Ragnarok', the third, and presumably last, Thor movie.

There was a story arc in the comics a few years back called 'Civil War', where Captain America and Iron Man take opposite sides in a move by the government to force super-powered people to unmask and register, and the character caught between these two Avengers was Spider-Man.

The upcoming 'Captain America: Civil War' movie is going to sort of cover that story. They could have changed the character caught in the middle, but I think it works best this way.

Oh, and did I mention that I love Spider-Man, and the thought of him being in an upcoming Avengers movie makes me giddy?

styx · **Reply #1 on:** February 10, 2015, 09:52:56 PM

I'm glad he'll get the Marvel treatment finally but I'll miss Andrew Garfield

Mr. Whippy · **Reply #2 on:** February 10, 2015, 09:54:03 PM

Spiderman has a "multitool"

I just wanted to get that in here.

Lynn LeFey · **Reply #3 on:** February 10, 2015, 09:58:42 PM

Quote from: styx on February 10, 2015, 09:52:56 PM

I'm glad he'll get the Marvel treatment finally but I'll miss Andrew Garfield

I think I might be one of the few people that like Andrew Garfield in the Amazing Spider-Man movies, and one of the few people who is both a long-time fan and DIDN'T hate #2. I guess I'm just mellowing out in my old age over the fanatical levels of stuff. Instead of nerd-rage, I mostly just get "Ehhh... not how I would have done it, but that's okay."

Except for TMNT and Star Wars. FULL nerd-rage on both of those.

styx · **Reply #4 on:** February 10, 2015, 11:03:35 PM

Ohhh don't get me started on those. Or Gotham. As a police procedural, it's ok, but using established villains puts a dent in the later continuity since they will be 15 to 20 years older than Bats himself.

Well I'm not crazy about the second Amazing spider-man but I think it was the script and studio pushing a lot of things that created the problems

NKlamerus · **Reply #5 on:** February 11, 2015, 06:02:18 AM

Alright Lynn. Little off topic. But Clark Kent As Superman Vs. Tony Stark as Iron Man. Who would win?

We have a poster on the wall of the shop that asks the question. And most customers put in there input but I want to hear yours.

HarleyXJGuy · **Reply #6 on:** February 11, 2015, 07:35:47 AM

Quote from: Lynn LeFey on February 10, 2015, 09:58:42 PM

Star Wars. FULL nerd-rage on both of those.

I grew up with Star Wars and it makes me sad what they did with the series.

There were some good parts, lightsaber fights I am looking at you. Otherwise just rubbish.

Corwyn · **Reply #7 on:** February 11, 2015, 07:43:06 AM

Good. Finally Marvel can go hands-on and make a proper Spiderman and deliver us from the Abomination called Amazing Spiderman.
I really hated Andrew Garfield with his Twilight-reject acting and the atrocious, atrocious script... they took a classic story, took out any magic and meaning and put in instead ridiculous subplots and stupid coincidences.
I did love Emma Stone as Gwen Stacy. She was just amazing, gorgeous and smart and funny and quirky and brave... regardless of how much I hated the movie, dislike the Gwen Stacy character and really like MJ and Kirsten Dunst, Emma Stone really stole the show.

Superman vs IronMan is really no contest. Superman is one of the strongest (if not the strongest) character in comics while IronMan is mid-tier even in the Marvel line-up.
Just an example... both Thor and Hulk (Hulkbuster is a gimmick) kicked IronMan's metal booty many times, while Superman was able to roflstomp both Thor and Hulk in various crossovers.
Actually I think IronMan would be rolfstomped by anyone from Justice League's First and Second Echelon (Superman, WonderWoman, Batman, Captain Marvel/Shazam, Green Lantern, Flash, Zatanna, Firestorm etc.)

Not fanboyism... it's just the DC characters were always designed to be stronger than the Marvel counterparts.

HarleyXJGuy · **Reply #8 on:** February 11, 2015, 08:09:12 AM

I am not sure Ironman would get stomped by Batman and Flash.

Plus with his brain power I bet he could beat a lot of heroes using tech or such tricks.

But Superman if he don't have no kryptonite? Not a chance.

Corwyn · **Reply #9 on:** February 11, 2015, 08:20:59 AM

Yeah, though a bit about Flash as well, as he's not the best tactician in the book, but depending on the writer he can really be OP. I mean he can go back in time, vibrate titanium particles to pieces, vibrate though walls... I am picturing Iron man shoots, Flash dodges vibrates through him, Iron Man flies up, Flash uses a whirlwind to knock him to the ground than speedpunches his computers off.

Batman is less powerful per se, but he is always written as a genius tactician and always wins in the end.
I imagine they meet, Batman gets his smurf kicked, researches Iron Man and comes back with an EMP or something that stops his heart device (temporarily because he's Batman) or jumbles his computer or he can get some reflector shield thingies to reflect IronMan's powerblasts... he may get beatup, back broken, but the Bat always wins in the end...

HarleyXJGuy · **Reply #10 on:** February 11, 2015, 09:32:19 AM

Quote from: Corwyn on February 11, 2015, 08:20:59 AM

Yeah, though a bit about Flash as well, as he's not the best tactician in the book, but depending on the writer he can really be OP. I mean he can go back in time, vibrate titanium particles to pieces, vibrate though walls... I am picturing Iron man shoots, Flash dodges vibrates through him, Iron Man flies up, Flash uses a whirlwind to knock him to the ground than speedpunches his computers off.

Batman is less powerful per se, but he is always written as a genius tactician and always wins in the end.
I imagine they meet, Batman gets his smurf kicked, researches Iron Man and comes back with an EMP or something that stops his heart device (temporarily because he's Batman) or jumbles his computer or he can get some reflector shield thingies to reflect IronMan's powerblasts... he may get beatup, back broken, but the Bat always wins in the end...
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I am thinking maybe you have to much free time.

magentus · **Reply #11 on:** February 11, 2015, 11:43:31 AM

Quote from: HarleyXJGuy on February 11, 2015, 09:32:19 AM

Quote from: Corwyn on February 11, 2015, 08:20:59 AM
Yeah, though a bit about Flash as well, as he's not the best tactician in the book, but depending on the writer he can really be OP. I mean he can go back in time, vibrate titanium particles to pieces, vibrate though walls... I am picturing Iron man shoots, Flash dodges vibrates through him, Iron Man flies up, Flash uses a whirlwind to knock him to the ground than speedpunches his computers off.

Batman is less powerful per se, but he is always written as a genius tactician and always wins in the end.
I imagine they meet, Batman gets his smurf kicked, researches Iron Man and comes back with an EMP or something that stops his heart device (temporarily because he's Batman) or jumbles his computer or he can get some reflector shield thingies to reflect IronMan's powerblasts... he may get beatup, back broken, but the Bat always wins in the end...
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I am thinking maybe you have to much free time.

C'mon Harley - he's out there doing this so we don't have to.

Batman wins all the time - even beat Superman while he was in his 50's. Who else can make that claim? No one, that's who.

pfrsantos · **Reply #12 on:** February 11, 2015, 04:33:36 PM

I entered this thread, look what I found at the top:

Whoey · **Reply #13 on:** February 11, 2015, 04:35:44 PM

hopefully this means that some of the awesomeness that has become the Marvel Cinematic Universe rubs off on Spiderman... It's been getting progressively worse to me, although not to the point of nerd rage.

Gareth · **Reply #14 on:** February 11, 2015, 04:47:39 PM

I do think this has to be good news. I was ok with the first Garfield film, but the second one just left me cold.

"Civil War" was the series that got me back into reading comics so I'm loving the idea of seeing it on the big screen.

styx · **Reply #15 on:** February 11, 2015, 05:27:40 PM

While Batman did win a few fights vs Superman, he also had a lot of prep time and help.

It's better explained here

The fight I want to see is Spawn vs dr. Manhattan

Lynn LeFey · **Reply #16 on:** February 11, 2015, 06:57:04 PM

Some points.

Emma Stone: PURE AWESOME as Gwen Stacy, and yes, one of the highlights of the 'Amazing' movies.

Supes vs. Iron Man.
The REAL answer to any 'who would win' debate ALWAYS comes down to this: "Who does the writer WANT to win?" That simple. Anything else fan-smurf. Sorry if that's unsatisfying. Here's MY opinion if written by a fair author. Round one: Superman. Round two: Iron Man. Tony is the in a lot of ways the Bruce Wayne of the Marvel Universe. He'd figure a way to beat supes in round two. Presumably after that, they'd figure out they were both working toward a mutual cause and team up, because... comics.

Uhhh... forgot what else i was going to say.

derekmac · **Reply #17 on:** February 11, 2015, 07:20:07 PM

Quote from: HarleyXJGuy on February 11, 2015, 08:09:12 AM

I am not sure Ironman would get stomped by Batman and Flash.

Plus with his brain power I bet he could beat a lot of heroes using tech or such tricks.

But Superman if he don't have no kryptonite? Not a chance.

Ironman would be smart enough, at least in the second battle, to have it as part of his suit somehow. As you said, without it, it wouldn't even be a contest.

Dragon Lord · **Reply #18 on:** February 11, 2015, 07:30:14 PM

I think is amazing (... just coincidence I swear) that spiderman return to marvel CU. I really like most of the marvel movies lately (except Iron man3). In the other side the fox/sony pictures are just action movies not made for the hardcore comics fans, but to make money and that's why they're so fan hated IMO.
I admit there are some good scenes or concepts in a couple of them, but not to be remembered by fans. (Maybe the first 2 "not amazing" spider man are amazing in deed)

Spider man in civil war? that would be awesome, that would be great, but sadly I don't think that's possible, the release date has been established, the script made. I don't know if they are going to change it to (hopefully/deserved) make spiderman appear on it (but they should) I hope I'm wrong with these because Spidey is one of the main characters in that story arc, also I wanna see Iron Spider on film.

I want to see spiderman in avengers too, not mention Wolverine or some other X-men kicking asses in the massive threats that avengers usually confront. For now, just by titles and release dates, superhero movies fans are happy, indeed we are.

Yhea I'm a big geek/nerd fan and I proud of it

ToolJoe · **Reply #19 on:** February 11, 2015, 07:51:06 PM

I saw the first Spidey with Andrew Garfield and didn't think it was too bad. Not in the same league as the Tobey McGuire ones.

derekmac · **Reply #20 on:** February 11, 2015, 08:05:37 PM

Quote from: ToolJoe on February 11, 2015, 07:51:06 PM

I saw the first Spidey with Andrew Garfield and didn't think it was too bad. Not in the same league as the Tobey McGuire ones.

I feel the opposite. I hated Tobey as Spidey!

Lynn LeFey · **Reply #21 on:** February 12, 2015, 12:17:07 AM

I thought Toby did 'nerd' much better. But I don't understand all the nerd-rage for Andrew Garfield. I REALLY don't.

I ALSO don't mind them trying to make Spider-Man's origins a little different, with Richard being a bioengineer. It actually makes 'bitten by a radioactive spider' seem a lot less stupid. A LOT less stupid.

I just imagine some other guy saying "I got bitten by a radioactive spider too and all I got was cancer and necrosis."

A friend of mine is fine with everything in the marvel cinematic universe... except the SHIELD helicarrier... so i guess we just all have different things that break our suspension of disbelief.

derekmac · **Reply #22 on:** February 12, 2015, 12:22:35 AM

I agree that Toby does do nerd better, but I think Andrews overall portrayal of the character was better.

I also really like how they had Richard as a bio-engineer!

It did make the story less

HarleyXJGuy · **Reply #23 on:** February 12, 2015, 03:52:15 AM

I liked Toby better but the other guy was ok.

As far as the ladies I would like to quote Lynn.

"Emma Stone: PURE AWESOME as Gwen Stacy, and yes, one of the highlights of the 'Amazing' movies."

Nothing more to say about that.

kirk13 · **Reply #24 on:** February 12, 2015, 10:24:07 AM

Oh dear,I'm sorry,I just can't get excited about this...I just can't.

Civil Wars and House of M kind of killed modern Marvel comics for me. I've tried the first arch of Spider-Man movies,and the more recent marvel team movies,and I'm sorry,but they make Moonraker look like a thoughtful,well conceived movie

Grant Lamontagne · **Reply #25 on:** February 12, 2015, 12:36:54 PM

Quote from: derekmac on February 12, 2015, 12:22:35 AM

I agree that Toby does do nerd better, but I think Andrews overall portrayal of the character was better.

I also really like how they had Richard as a bio-engineer! It did make the story less

Seriously?

Garfield's version of edgy borderline goth Peter Parker was the biggest reason I disliked the current series of movies. Spiderman was always sarcastic as a way to cover his fears and defuse situations while distracting opponents. Garfield's version seems to be much more antagonistic, which I felt was all wrong for the character.

I may very greatly dislike Toby but I have to say, in the first movie at least, his character was much more accurate to the Spiderman I grew up with.

In fact, the Beyonder said almost exactly that way back in Secret Wars II.

Def

derekmac · **Reply #26 on:** February 12, 2015, 12:45:03 PM

Quote from: Grant Lamontagne on February 12, 2015, 12:36:54 PM

Quote from: derekmac on February 12, 2015, 12:22:35 AM
I agree that Toby does do nerd better, but I think Andrews overall portrayal of the character was better.

I also really like how they had Richard as a bio-engineer! It did make the story less

Seriously?

Garfield's version of edgy borderline goth Peter Parker was the biggest reason I disliked the current series of movies. Spiderman was always sarcastic as a way to cover his fears and defuse situations while distracting opponents. Garfield's version seems to be much more antagonistic, which I felt was all wrong for the character.

I may very greatly dislike Toby but I have to say, in the first movie at least, his character was much more accurate to the Spiderman I grew up with.

In fact, the Beyonder said almost exactly that way back in Secret Wars II.

Def

I'm not really comparing to the original series or comics though, just the overall feel of the movie. I didn't enjoy watching any of the movies with Toby, and couldn't get into them at all. I felt myself more drawn into the newer ones with Garfield.

styx · **Reply #27 on:** February 12, 2015, 04:10:46 PM

So who do you think will be the new Spiderman?

Grant Lamontagne · **Reply #28 on:** February 13, 2015, 11:53:34 AM

Ben Afflek?

Def

Grant Lamontagne · **Reply #29 on:** February 13, 2015, 12:03:27 PM

With regards to the "who can beat who" discussion, I would tend to agree with the theory that Superman could beat Iron Man, at least in the first round. If there was a second, well, that would really all depend on whether Tony could figure out the whole Kryptonite thing.

But I also agree that Iron Man vs Superman wouldn't be a fair match up. I think the pendulum very much swings towards the Marvel camp when you match up Superman vs the Hulk. And, I have documented evidence to support that theory....

The closest DC analogue to the Hulk was Doomsday. Superman actually died fighting Doomsday, and that was after Doomsday also obliterated most of the Justice League as well. Given that most incarnations of the Hulk are at least marginally smarter than Doomsday was (at least originally) and that the Hulk becomes stronger as he gets angrier, I don't see Superman coming out on top. As we saw in the Doomsday fight, Superman is extremely powerful, but even his energy resources are finite. Add to that his known weakness (some forms of radiation) which the Hulk radiates and that could knock Superman down a peg or two before the fight even starts.

Although Lynn hit the nail right on the head- whomever the writers wanted to win, could win. It might be interesting to submit some superhero matchups to the gang at Deadliest Warrior and see what the computer responds with!

Def

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