15 Survival myths that could actually kill you

[Syncop8r]

http://www.msn.com/en-nz/health/medical/15-survival-myths-that-could-actually-kill-you/ss-BBiLgP5?ocid=mailsignoutmd#image=1

Just reading through the first couple, making sense so far...

[Lichtbote]

It was a joy to read - and it´s a lot of what we were trained to survive behind enemy lines.

But i stopped talking that to the prep-heads, as they don´t want to hear what´s not in their line of thinking.  They are usually to feared to learn, and instead they believe carrying all their beloved stuff will save them.

[Corwyn]

Hm... what about European Brown Bears? I think they're about halfway between grizzlies and black bears... I ran into 3 sets of fresh tracks and poop last Sunday and I even heard them a few times... didn't have my whistle with me and honestly if I ran into one I don't know what I'd do... probably go slowly around him...

[Lichtbote]

Try not to look very tasty. 

[Chako]

Some interesting facts/stories about bears...

http://www.guy-sports.com/humor/pictures/picture_bear.htm

Wear bear bells, this way, they can prepare for your arrival. 

[Corwyn]

Hm... what about European Brown Bears? I think they're about halfway between grizzlies and black bears... I ran into 3 sets of fresh tracks and poop last Sunday and I even heard them a few times... didn't have my whistle with me and honestly if I ran into one I don't know what I'd do... probably go slowly around him...

The Interwebz to the rescue.. so the European Brown Bear is the same exact species as the Grizzly (Ursus arctos)...

[dks]

Bear Roast

Ingredients:
4 lb. bear roast
1 1/4 tsp. paprika
1 tsp. salt
1/4 tsp. pepper
1/2 tsp. seasoned salt
1 1/2 tbsp. instant minced onion
1 cup beef bouillon

Directions:
Rub all sides of bear meat with the first four ingredients. Place seasoned meat in crock pot, sprinkle with onion and pour bouillon over all.

Cook on high setting for 1 1/2 to 2 hours per pound until 180 degrees F. (check internal temp. of thickest part of roast with meat thermometer).

Vegetables such as carrots, potatoes, and celery may be added and cooked the same amount of time as the meat.

For gravy: remove meat from pot; stir flour in small amount of water and add to meat juices.

Recipe serves 6.


Read more at http://www.cajuncookingrecipes.com/wildgamerecipes/bear_roast.htm#hrE7jd3EdjXr594i.99

[Gareth]

http://www.msn.com/en-nz/health/medical/15-survival-myths-that-could-actually-kill-you/ss-BBiLgP5?ocid=mailsignoutmd#image=1

Just reading through the first couple, making sense so far...

While I am a long way from an expert, all of those make perfect sense to me.

[wmoco]

http://www.msn.com/en-nz/health/medical/15-survival-myths-that-could-actually-kill-you/ss-BBiLgP5?ocid=mailsignoutmd#image=1

Good read, thank you!

[Aloha]

Good stuff and good info.  Bring a few items with you even when out for a short hike  .  I see way to many families out hiking with only a bottle of water and a camera.  We've got some rugged terrain here in our mountains and it always scares me when I see these people.   

[Gareth]

Making sure you know how to read a map and compass is also a good idea.  Silly as it sounds I've met people who hike, carrying a map etc who didn't really know how to read them.

[ToolJoe]

Bear Roast

Ingredients:
4 lb. bear roast
1 1/4 tsp. paprika
1 tsp. salt
1/4 tsp. pepper
1/2 tsp. seasoned salt
1 1/2 tbsp. instant minced onion
1 cup beef bouillon

Directions:
Rub all sides of bear meat with the first four ingredients. Place seasoned meat in crock pot, sprinkle with onion and pour bouillon over all.

Cook on high setting for 1 1/2 to 2 hours per pound until 180 degrees F. (check internal temp. of thickest part of roast with meat thermometer).

Vegetables such as carrots, potatoes, and celery may be added and cooked the same amount of time as the meat.

For gravy: remove meat from pot; stir flour in small amount of water and add to meat juices.

Recipe serves 6.


Read more at http://www.cajuncookingrecipes.com/wildgamerecipes/bear_roast.htm#hrE7jd3EdjXr594i.99

That sounds really tasty. Now if I can only get my hands on some bear meat..

Very interesting article as well 

[ace19636]

All looks good to me, except the one about the bed vs roof. That one depends on situation. If it's pouring rain you need to get some cover asap to get dry otherwise you will be sleeping in cold wet clothing on a cold wet bed.

[Chako]

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/may/01/bear-knuckle-fight-california-man-sends-bruin-fleeing-with-punch-on-the-snout 

[Syncop8r]

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/may/01/bear-knuckle-fight-california-man-sends-bruin-fleeing-with-punch-on-the-snout 

"Tresspassing" bear... maybe it's the man who is trespassing on the bear's property. 

Did he hit it with his bear knuckles?

[Syncop8r]

Bear Roast

Ingredients:
4 lb. bear roast
1 1/4 tsp. paprika
1 tsp. salt
1/4 tsp. pepper
1/2 tsp. seasoned salt
1 1/2 tbsp. instant minced onion
1 cup beef bouillon

Directions:
Rub all sides of bear meat with the first four ingredients. Place seasoned meat in crock pot, sprinkle with onion and pour bouillon over all.

Cook on high setting for 1 1/2 to 2 hours per pound until 180 degrees F. (check internal temp. of thickest part of roast with meat thermometer).

Vegetables such as carrots, potatoes, and celery may be added and cooked the same amount of time as the meat.

For gravy: remove meat from pot; stir flour in small amount of water and add to meat juices.

Recipe serves 6.


Read more at http://www.cajuncookingrecipes.com/wildgamerecipes/bear_roast.htm#hrE7jd3EdjXr594i.99

That sounds really tasty. Now if I can only get my hands on some bear meat..

Bear roast has to be better than Bear grills. 

[Gareth]

Bear Roast

Ingredients:
4 lb. bear roast
1 1/4 tsp. paprika
1 tsp. salt
1/4 tsp. pepper
1/2 tsp. seasoned salt
1 1/2 tbsp. instant minced onion
1 cup beef bouillon

Directions:
Rub all sides of bear meat with the first four ingredients. Place seasoned meat in crock pot, sprinkle with onion and pour bouillon over all.

Cook on high setting for 1 1/2 to 2 hours per pound until 180 degrees F. (check internal temp. of thickest part of roast with meat thermometer).

Vegetables such as carrots, potatoes, and celery may be added and cooked the same amount of time as the meat.

For gravy: remove meat from pot; stir flour in small amount of water and add to meat juices.

Recipe serves 6.


Read more at http://www.cajuncookingrecipes.com/wildgamerecipes/bear_roast.htm#hrE7jd3EdjXr594i.99

That sounds really tasty. Now if I can only get my hands on some bear meat..

Bear roast has to be better than Bear grills. 

[ColoSwiss]

All looks good to me, except the one about the bed vs roof. That one depends on situation. If it's pouring rain you need to get some cover asap to get dry otherwise you will be sleeping in cold wet clothing on a cold wet bed.

+ 1

Rest of it looks pretty straight forward. Basic Boy Scout stuff.

[ironraven]

I'll quibble about the shelter part, but only because shelter is roof AND bed. Depending on your situation, you can get by with just a roof so long as the ground is warm enough and there are no bug who see you as a buffet. Likewise, if it isn't raining or windy and you are properly dressed or have a freaky large fire, you can get away with insulation from the ground. But if I was sleeping outside tonight, without both, I'd be a very unhappy and shivery camper. At least they'd be able to find me by the sound of my teeth by dawn.

As for bears, I tell people to climb a tree. Black bears won't follow you up it. Or play dead, they aren't carrion eaters...

I know, one of these days my karma is going to get me hung.

[captain spaulding]

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/may/01/bear-knuckle-fight-california-man-sends-bruin-fleeing-with-punch-on-the-snout 

"Tresspassing" bear... maybe it's the man who is trespassing on the bear's property. 

Did he hit it with his bear knuckles?

I have been seeing this story on TV shows and news. There is no proof he punched the bear. There is no proof a bear was even in his yard. He called the news and told them what he just did and to come over and interview him.

[ColoSwiss]

I'll quibble about the shelter part, but only because shelter is roof AND bed. Depending on your situation, you can get by with just a roof so long as the ground is warm enough and there are no bug who see you as a buffet. Likewise, if it isn't raining or windy and you are properly dressed or have a freaky large fire, you can get away with insulation from the ground. But if I was sleeping outside tonight, without both, I'd be a very unhappy and shivery camper. At least they'd be able to find me by the sound of my teeth by dawn.

As for bears, I tell people to climb a tree. Black bears won't follow you up it. Or play dead, they aren't carrion eaters...

I know, one of these days my karma is going to get me hung.

Or eaten by a bear. 

[Gareth]

All looks good to me, except the one about the bed vs roof. That one depends on situation. If it's pouring rain you need to get some cover asap to get dry otherwise you will be sleeping in cold wet clothing on a cold wet bed.

+ 1

Rest of it looks pretty straight forward. Basic Boy Scout stuff.

Indeed.  Sadly though it's not always the advice that's being given out on TV shows.

[ColoSwiss]

Here's an interesting book. Its actually a series of case studies of how people died in the Grand Canyon. IIRC the biggest killer is dehydration. Someone decides to hike down into the canyon with a single canteen of water. A couple hours later they're out of water and its a long, hot, dry hike back up to the rim.

http://www.amazon.com/Over-Edge-Canyon-Expanded-Anniversary/dp/0984785809/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1430552748&sr=1-1&keywords=over+the+edge

[Grathr]

Here's an interesting book. Its actually a series of case studies of how people died in the Grand Canyon. IIRC the biggest killer is dehydration. Someone decides to hike down into the canyon with a single canteen of water. A couple hours later they're out of water and its a long, hot, dry hike back up to the rim.

http://www.amazon.com/Over-Edge-Canyon-Expanded-Anniversary/dp/0984785809/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1430552748&sr=1-1&keywords=over+the+edge

That looks like a good read. Plenty of used ones around too. I just ordered one for £8 inc shipping on amazon.uk


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[Gareth]

Here's one I enjoyed(?): http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0948153202/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=1Q6V8LD7M02X2&coliid=I2JJ72Y5V00SFI 

Scared my wife a bit when she realised I'd been winter camping in over half the areas discussed in the book.

[styx]

somehow these all seem very common sense

[Grathr]

somehow these all seem very common sense

The problem is that the ones with little common sense are the ones that tend to end up in theese situations. Like a 15 year old from a town close to where I grew up.  He managed to get separated from his classmates during the 400m walk from the bus to the cabin. He had a backback with warm clothes and a sleeping bag with him. When he realized he was lost he tried to find his way back but failed. So he got bored and started to kick his sleeping bag around like a football. It ended up in a river.
He then did not take off his clothes to put on his wool underwear, because it was cold. As a shelter he chose to sit on top of a cold stone.
They found him cold but alive the next day.



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[styx]

is it harsh if i say jacka$$?

[comis]

I quickly read thru them, all seems to make sense but not too sure about the bear part.  I am not a bear expert and I know it could be controversy about how best to handle bear encounter.  But personally, I do tend to follow some of the advises from Smith as shown in this video:



I have read online articles where people criticize his research(or his sample size), but if there is a take away lesson, I do think bear spray is really a good safety precaution and should always be handy if in bear country.  Also, contrary to popular beliefs, bear bell might not be all that effective as we imagine it to be.

[Syncop8r]

How about the 'grin and bear it' approach?