Smaller knife = less scary???

[raistlin65]

I just took advantage of Amazon's 15% SOG discount and SOG's $5 rebate to order this knife. Do you guys think this is too scary?


 
 

[BASguy]

That's a bit ridiculous.


EDIT: That's completely ridiculous.

It only shows how ridicuolous this "It´s my right, and i take it" attitude is.

Not exactly sure what you are saying as it does not translate correctly.

   I already know you have a aversion to firearms as you have stated this long ago and we have gone back and forth before about it. If I remember correctly you are actually a police officer or something of the manner and from what I got from our last conversation (a long time ago) you don't want anyone but police to have firearms. This conversation had nothing to do with firearms, but you insisted on interjecting a completely ridiculous situation (based on your own one sided views) into a peaceful thread stirring things up. Again this thread had nothing to do with firearms, but you insisted as you knew you would get a rise out of myself and possibly others.
   To address this comment.

One situation that came to my mind is:

Guy one carries a big knife, that´s still within the local legal borders. He pulls it to do whatever peacefull thing he planned.

Guy two carries a concealed gun, and is surprised by guy one pulling his knife next to him. He feels endangered and shots Guy one. "I just tried to defend my life from a threat."

Both acting within the laws would make that a funny thing.

Anyone can say any action between two people is plausible. Its a ridiculous claim. Of course anything is plausible but it does not mean it is probable. I just find it completely ridiculous that a CCW holder would be so scared of a person opening a knife any using it in a legal and peaceful manner as YOU stated to startle him enough to shoot someone. I mean get a grip on reality here. If you really were a CCW holder and someone next to you opened a knife. First thing you would do is either hear it or see it. Next you would access the situation. Once you noticed the person was not lunging at you, or a threat in any way you would know he is not a treat. The firearm would not even be presented in this situation. If you are so quick to shoot someone that just from the sight or sound of a knife coming out you have some serious issues. Its just as plausible for me to say a CCW holder would immediately draw and fire at a backfiring car because he was "startled". Its a ridiculous claim and you know it.

Agreed Capt.  That's a pretty far fetched scenario, and just the type of supposition that leads to people feeling a need to restrict the rights of others.   Here in AZ CCW, and open carry, is legal for everyone, with no government permission slip required.  We don't have a rash of people shooting each other because they are scared and offended.  Can't recall I've ever seen anyone act offended because someone walked into a Circle K carrying a gun or a knife on their hip. 


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[alexTOOL]

I just took advantage of Amazon's 15% SOG discount and SOG's $5 rebate to order this knife. Do you guys think this is too scary?

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In my country YES! 

[AimlessWanderer]

I just took advantage of Amazon's 15% SOG discount and SOG's $5 rebate to order this knife. Do you guys think this is too scary?

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In my country YES! 

Mine too for general carry. However, I own and use knives which may be deemed equally scary, but I do so on private property, and for specific tasks as and when needed

[Lichtbote]

No Cap, i´m no police officer.

I´m just a retired airborne with a group sniper license. I do not even have any aversion against guns - i just don´t get happy wet pants from them. For me they are nothing but tools for a certain thing, and that´s nothing i want to be able for everyone just cause it was needed in ancient times. I think we live now in more civilized times, so it shouldn´t be needed anymore to grant everyone to have a gun just cause he wants to.

But in my stated scenario the gun was just the funny factor. It´s always the same type of peoples that cry loudest for "their rights" - and for me it´s usually not the group i would agree to have the most common sense. Mostly just the group with a certain mindset, which put their own "want" right to own/use something over the rights of others not to be bothered with people having such items.

See, my own carry is not within our local laws - but i see no sense to stretch my rights to the limit, if it offends others around me. And if People think using a SAK or the blade on my Surge are less threatening than a legal single blade knife (probably cause they see it more as a tool than a weapon), then i´m fine with not using any of my knives.

Just to be clear: I´m talking about everydays situations in the town, not staying out in the woods for hunting or something else. That´s a comlete different situation.

[16VGTIDave]

I just took advantage of Amazon's 15% SOG discount and SOG's $5 rebate to order this knife. Do you guys think this is too scary?

I was at a motorcycle cruise night Thursday and there was a stereotypical "bad-ass biker" in attendance who was wearing a knife of similar size on his hip. Completely open carry. I discretely followed him around for about 15 minutes and observed others reactions if/when they noticed the knife. There was virtually no observable reaction. Certainly no repulsion or outcry for intervention. So, my conclusions are:
1) nobody else noticed the knife (doubtful)
2) they noticed it and were scared silent (possible, but I didn't notice ANY reactions)
3) they didn't care.

Was the knife appropriate at such an event? Heck no! The event was held at a commercial location in a university/industrial town. This is considered a family event, to the extent that the staff have in the past provided clothing for scantily clad "biker chicks" to wear so they didn't have to leave. There were babies in strollers to senior's in attendance.

My first thought when I saw this "gentleman" and his knife was "that isn't appropriate". Then I wondered if there would be any trouble, regardless of the fact that he was well within the law to carry such a knife in such a manner. I decided to follow him at that point, and along the way I did a quick count of what I had on me: Vic SwissChamp and Spirit, Spyderco Salt, Boker Trance, and another small folder.... I guess I shouldn't have been judging him so quickly!

[raistlin65]

I just took advantage of Amazon's 15% SOG discount and SOG's $5 rebate to order this knife. Do you guys think this is too scary?

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In my country YES! 

I wasn't serious, you know

The SOG Tech Bowie is based closely on the bowie knife designed for US Special Forces that carried on covert operations in eastern Asia during the 1960s and 1970s. So designed for scary purposes

[captain spaulding]

I just took advantage of Amazon's 15% SOG discount and SOG's $5 rebate to order this knife. Do you guys think this is too scary?

I was at a motorcycle cruise night Thursday and there was a stereotypical "bad-ass biker" in attendance who was wearing a knife of similar size on his hip. Completely open carry. I discretely followed him around for about 15 minutes and observed others reactions if/when they noticed the knife. There was virtually no observable reaction. Certainly no repulsion or outcry for intervention. So, my conclusions are:
1) nobody else noticed the knife (doubtful)
2) they noticed it and were scared silent (possible, but I didn't notice ANY reactions)
3) they didn't care.

Was the knife appropriate at such an event? Heck no! The event was held at a commercial location in a university/industrial town. This is considered a family event, to the extent that the staff have in the past provided clothing for scantily clad "biker chicks" to wear so they didn't have to leave. There were babies in strollers to senior's in attendance.

My first thought when I saw this "gentleman" and his knife was "that isn't appropriate". Then I wondered if there would be any trouble, regardless of the fact that he was well within the law to carry such a knife in such a manner. I decided to follow him at that point, and along the way I did a quick count of what I had on me: Vic SwissChamp and Spirit, Spyderco Salt, Boker Trance, and another small folder.... I guess I shouldn't have been judging him so quickly!

 

[captain spaulding]

No Cap, i´m no police officer.

I´m just a retired airborne with a group sniper license. I do not even have any aversion against guns - i just don´t get happy wet pants from them. For me they are nothing but tools for a certain thing, and that´s nothing i want to be able for everyone just cause it was needed in ancient times. I think we live now in more civilized times, so it should't be needed anymore to grant everyone to have a gun just cause he wants to.

But in my stated scenario the gun was just the funny factor. It´s always the same type of peoples that cry loudest for "their rights" - and for me it´s usually not the group i would agree to have the most common sense. Mostly just the group with a certain mindset, which put their own "want" right to own/use something over the rights of others not to be bothered with people having such items.

See, my own carry is not within our local laws - but i see no sense to stretch my rights to the limit, if it offends others around me. And if People think using a SAK or the blade on my Surge are less threatening than a legal single blade knife (probably cause they see it more as a tool than a weapon), then i´m fine with not using any of my knives.

Just to be clear: I´m talking about everydays situations in the town, not staying out in the woods for hunting or something else. That´s a comlete different situation.

I'm not turning this thread into a gun rights conversation farther than it has gone now. Obviously we share two different views which is just fine. There are a few things I want to address with your post, but don't even feel like taking the time to do it since it will go nowhere. I will address one single thing that is in bold.

Myself and every other american does not have to be granted any right. We are born with the right to own a firearm. You might think that's crazy or not necessary, but I feel the exact same about not being born with the right to be able to protect yourself.

I want to say more, and address more of your post, but again it will go no where and this was NEVER ABOUT FIREARMS until you made it so. If we keep going on about this I will request a moderator shut the thread down.

If we want to keep talking about knives then so be it.

[kirk13]

I do not carry a knife because I believe I could defend myself with it. I carry it for the purpose of it being useful during my day. I carry based on my situation alone.

+1

I live in Michigan where it is a felony to carry a knife with blade of over 3" with the purpose of causing harm to another. The idea of carrying it for self defense can be assumed to be for that purpose. So we only carry knives here with the idea that they are useful tools.

 

I'll see the Captain's  and raise you both a 

[jerseydevil]

  Gentlemen, this thread has gotten quite heated.  If it isn't toned down immediately, this will be locked.  We all have our opinions on the matter, and though they may differ from the views of others, we need to keep the tone respectful and avoid politicalish arguments, which is where this has been heading.

[captain spaulding]

  Gentlemen, this thread has gotten quite heated.  If it isn't toned down immediately, this will be locked.  We all have our opinions on the matter, and though they may differ from the views of others, we need to keep the tone respectful and avoid politicalish arguments, which is where this has been heading.

As the OP I would like to request it gets shut down now. You make the call though.

[BASguy]

No Cap, i´m no police officer.

I´m just a retired airborne with a group sniper license. I do not even have any aversion against guns - i just don´t get happy wet pants from them. For me they are nothing but tools for a certain thing, and that´s nothing i want to be able for everyone just cause it was needed in ancient times. I think we live now in more civilized times, so it shouldn´t be needed anymore to grant everyone to have a gun just cause he wants to.

But in my stated scenario the gun was just the funny factor. It´s always the same type of peoples that cry loudest for "their rights" - and for me it´s usually not the group i would agree to have the most common sense. Mostly just the group with a certain mindset, which put their own "want" right to own/use something over the rights of others not to be bothered with people having such items.

See, my own carry is not within our local laws - but i see no sense to stretch my rights to the limit, if it offends others around me. And if People think using a SAK or the blade on my Surge are less threatening than a legal single blade knife (probably cause they see it more as a tool than a weapon), then i´m fine with not using any of my knives.

Just to be clear: I´m talking about everydays situations in the town, not staying out in the woods for hunting or something else. That´s a comlete different situation.

Here's an idea.... How about keeping your your opinion of my firearms needs/rights to yourself?  I'm happy not to pre-determine what someone else should do.


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[kirk13]

 

Gentlemen:

1) let's stay civil!
2) this is not a discussion of the right to bear firearms,in the U.S. or anywhere else

Thank you

 

[captain spaulding]

Gentlemen:

1) let's stay civil!
2) this is not a discussion of the right to bear firearms,in the U.S. or anywhere else

Thank you

 

Agreed and agreed. I'm out of this thread for good this time. I will not respond to any comments or opinions about myself, knives, or firearms alike.

Lichtbote, while we share very different views I just want to end it on this. I respect your opinion and I hope you respect mine no matter how much we disagree. Neither of us are right or wrong and I hope we are both alright with each other. I hold no grudges. 

Keep it classy ladys and gents.

[firiki]

... I am genuinely trying to understand the mind set of the opposing thought on this.

...

...If your blade is within the legal limit (if one applies) and you are using it for a legitimate task then why do you give a smurf what anyone thinks of your blade?


...Thanks everyone.

Gentlemen:

1) let's stay civil!
2) this is not a discussion of the right to bear firearms,in the U.S. or anywhere else

Thank you

 

Agreed and agreed. ...

...

You just answered your question from the OP, I think.

You're welcome. 

[firiki]

Great post firiki 

Thank you, magentus. I try and avoid making lenghty posts because it takes me ages to make them cohere enough to convey my thoughts somehow while remaining brief. Being laconic rarely is a quality of mine, I'm afraid, especially in English.

Edit to add:

Firiki had a wonderful post  thank you for that. 

I hope I didn't get across as rude or offensive. 

[derekmac]

 

[Lichtbote]

Cap, it is just my opinion. Nothing less and nothing more. There is no need for you to think further about them (nonetheless maybe noticing it, but only if you´re generally interested in what others may think)

I take no actions to force my opinions to anyone else, i only let others know in a discussion what my opinion is without any backthoughts or expectation - as i believe each person has the right to have his own opinion (as long as he didn´t try to make others to follow them).


And i didn´t started the gun discussion, only mentioned the gun in a theoretical but possible scenario with handling knives. Others feeled the need to make it to a discussion on it´s own within this thread.


@ BASguy: No.

[Mercury]

Cap, it is just my opinion. Nothing less and nothing more. There is no need for you to think further about them (nonetheless maybe noticing it, but only if you´re generally interested in what others may think)

I take no actions to force my opinions to anyone else, i only let others know in a discussion what my opinion is without any backthoughts or expectation - as i believe each person has the right to have his own opinion (as long as he didn´t try to make others to follow them).


And i didn´t started the gun discussion, only mentioned the gun in a theoretical but possible scenario with handling knives. Others feeled the need to make it to a discussion on it´s own within this thread.


@ BASguy: No.

I'll only say this:


That's not how it works.  This forum does not tolerate political arguments for a reason and this response is antagonizing at best.  Given the nature of the turn the thread has taken I would absolutely suggest you keep your opinions on Gun rights to yourself. 


The Moderators have been more than kind here, let's all move on and discuss knives. 

[AimlessWanderer]

Veering back onto knives briefly  ....

... another personal perspective:

With folders I tend not to go above the 3" mark. If I feel I need a larger blade, I generally go fixed blade. The only exceptions to this really is a Rangergrip 90, or Ranger 14. Relevance to the original conversation? I think a 4" sheath knife is more likely to be accepted by uninitiated onlookers than a 4" folder. Am I wierd or alone for thinking that a Mora or similar would be less intimidating than a similar sized folder (particularly OHO)?

[Mercury]

Veering back onto knives briefly  ....

... another personal perspective:

With folders I tend not to go above the 3" mark. If I feel I need a larger blade, I generally go fixed blade. The only exceptions to this really is a Rangergrip 90, or Ranger 14. Relevance to the original conversation? I think a 4" sheath knife is more likely to be accepted by uninitiated onlookers than a 4" folder. Am I wierd or alone for thinking that a Mora or similar would be less intimidating than a similar sized folder (particularly OHO)?

I quite agree.   


A lot of what's intimidating about knives, at least in my experience, is the method of deployment.  When I pull out my Endura and flip it open it scares folks, but when I pull out my Buck 110 and open it slowly no one bats an eye.  I don't have a Mora but with my larger knives as long as I don't whip'em out fast like, folks are usually just curious about what knife it is and why I like to carry it. 


For the record I tend to stick with 3" and smaller for EDC as well.  The one exception is my Endura, but I usually use my Leatherman around people. 

[SAK Guy]

What I don't understand is why post# 79 didn't even get a chuckle.......

[derekmac]

What I don't understand is why post# 79 didn't even get a chuckle.......

Maybe the pic was too small?? 


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[raistlin65]

What I don't understand is why post# 79 didn't even get a chuckle.......

What I can't understand is why the thread hasn't covered which is the least scary sword to carry 

[ironraven]

Reasons why I like my current boss are several. One, he understands what I'm saying when I tell him he is not my superior, he is my equal, I'll do what he asks or I'll give him a damn good reason why I don't agree with this course of action and one day my views will be incompatable with those of the company and I'll leave. Two, when we had someone get whiney about my Leatherman on my belt and my SAK and they pointed at the weapons policy, he apparently dropped his Gerber Parafolder on his desk and asked if there were any further questions.

As for size mattering, well, I have small knives, I have big knives, lots of medium knives, and a few really big knives. I carry and use the knife for the anticipated tasks of the day.

[Lichtbote]

A lot of what's intimidating about knives, at least in my experience, is the method of deployment.  When I pull out my Endura and flip it open it scares folks, but when I pull out my Buck 110 and open it slowly no one bats an eye.

Aye, most people seem to be more intimidated by actions than by the knife/tool itself. Off course it also relates to the situation and the carrying person, too.

but I usually use my Leatherman around people.

Even no-knife people see a multitool different than a pure knife, they might not be into it, but they know it´s not only a simple knife, it´s a versatile tool.

[AimlessWanderer]

Even no-knife people see a multitool different than a pure knife, they might not be into it, but they know it´s not only a simple knife, it´s a versatile tool.

I'm not so sure about that. There are some people who still justsee a knife and feel uncomfortable. Just like anything in life, it's a sliding scale, and everyone will have a different interpretation. Particularly certain blade shapes. A Wave clip blade might be seen as "stabby" compared to a Swsstool's spear point. I try totake general perception into account when picking a blade for a certain setting, but there'll always be the awkward ones. Probably the type who moan that their new kitchen knives are dangerous because they're too sharp 

[sawman]

Even no-knife people see a multitool different than a pure knife, they might not be into it, but they know it´s not only a simple knife, it´s a versatile tool.

I'm not so sure about that. There are some people who still justsee a knife and feel uncomfortable. Just like anything in life, it's a sliding scale, and everyone will have a different interpretation. Particularly certain blade shapes. A Wave clip blade might be seen as "stabby" compared to a Swsstool's spear point. I try totake general perception into account when picking a blade for a certain setting, but there'll always be the awkward ones. Probably the type who moan that their new kitchen knives are dangerous because they're too sharp 

Then you admit - you can't please everyone....   

[kirk13]

Don't know about that,I can't seem to please anyone

Oh

You meant the knife thing?