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Re: key ring, like it or not ?
Reply #30 on: August 15, 2015, 09:52:17 AM
I think it would satisfy everyone if Victorinox make the key ring nub where it could rotate in or out like the Leatherman Squirt.  put the key ring in it if you want, or remove the ring and rotate it in if you do not.

Where is the Victorinox Suggestion box?

This is MTo, it is utterly impossible to make everybody happy. I strongly prefer the current solution for 91 mm with having it as a part of the backspring. Strong, simple, the polishing of the spring ensures no sharp edges. Even if I rarely use the key ring for anything.

+1 Steiner - very comfortable in use.

I don't like the 93mm nub at all though. I'd love it if a hollow rivet was standard - then you could decide for yourself whether to have a lanyard or not.

I like the bail idea better too but it was probably the collective chorus of crybabies well informed users that chipped their blade edge that led Vic to "improve" it....  ;)
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Re: key ring, like it or not ?
Reply #31 on: August 15, 2015, 10:11:17 AM
Lol. SAK care 101 people. Move the bail away from the blade already.
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Re: key ring, like it or not ?
Reply #32 on: August 16, 2015, 02:15:57 AM
I think it would satisfy everyone if Victorinox make the key ring nub where it could rotate in or out like the Leatherman Squirt.  put the key ring in it if you want, or remove the ring and rotate it in if you do not.

Where is the Victorinox Suggestion box?

This is MTo, it is utterly impossible to make everybody happy. I strongly prefer the current solution for 91 mm with having it as a part of the backspring. Strong, simple, the polishing of the spring ensures no sharp edges. Even if I rarely use the key ring for anything.

+1 Steiner - very comfortable in use.

I don't like the 93mm nub at all though. I'd love it if a hollow rivet was standard - then you could decide for yourself whether to have a lanyard or not.

I like the bail idea better too but it was probably the collective chorus of crybabies well informed users that chipped their blade edge that led Vic to "improve" it....  ;)

But they didn't idiot-proof it enough, I still see 91mm keyrings under awls pretty often.  :facepalm:


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Re: key ring, like it or not ?
Reply #33 on: August 17, 2015, 04:10:05 AM
I think it would satisfy everyone if Victorinox make the key ring nub where it could rotate in or out like the Leatherman Squirt.  put the key ring in it if you want, or remove the ring and rotate it in if you do not.

Where is the Victorinox Suggestion box?

This is MTo, it is utterly impossible to make everybody happy. I strongly prefer the current solution for 91 mm with having it as a part of the backspring. Strong, simple, the polishing of the spring ensures no sharp edges. Even if I rarely use the key ring for anything.

+1 Steiner - very comfortable in use.

I don't like the 93mm nub at all though. I'd love it if a hollow rivet was standard - then you could decide for yourself whether to have a lanyard or not.

I like the bail idea better too but it was probably the collective chorus of crybabies well informed users that chipped their blade edge that led Vic to "improve" it....  ;)

But they didn't idiot-proof it enough, I still see 91mm keyrings under awls pretty often.  :facepalm:
Hahaha this does happen to me a fair bit, but the usefulness of a lanyard out ways the cost of me having to re sharpen it from tjme to time

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Re: key ring, like it or not ?
Reply #34 on: September 04, 2016, 02:38:07 AM
Yes, er

No!

Well, sometimes...



+1

Seriously though, if I need the keyring/lanyard to help pull the SAK out of a pouch or if it's riding vertically in a pocket then yes, but most of the time I want my EDC knife to fall to the bottom of my pocket, so no. But then again, to attach a 58mm on a keyring requires one.

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Re: key ring, like it or not ?
Reply #35 on: September 04, 2016, 03:17:41 AM
So the smaller ones, up to 4 layers I like without, but have some with. Still too much of a dilemma...  :ahhh

Removed the one on my Pioneer X, they don't come without them yet.  :tu:

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Re: key ring, like it or not ?
Reply #36 on: September 04, 2016, 06:09:26 AM
I use them with a pocket clip to keep the knife hanging upright in my pocket instead of lying in the bottom of my pocket, which is especially useful when I'm wearing pants with very deep pockets and I have other stuff in the pockets that might mar a knife such as keys or a money clip.  I don't carry many pocket knives without a ring for a lanyard.


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Re: key ring, like it or not ?
Reply #37 on: September 04, 2016, 06:40:16 AM
For me I don't mind the keyring except for 93mm Alox models. For The 93mm SAK's the keyring makes a hotspot when used especially on the farmer. The keyring on the 93mm models is thing and sharp vs the 91mm keyring which is thick and rounded off.


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Re: key ring, like it or not ?
Reply #38 on: September 04, 2016, 09:46:50 AM
I generally like them. I like the pocket hanger clips too. But yes sometimes they can get rattley but I dont mind the dealywoo at all, I might take out the ring but the thingamajig doesn't bother me. On 2 layer 91mm, or 84mm SAK sometimes I might consider a smaller sized ring from the 58mm models.

I'm not much of a lanyard guy aside from knives I'm selling, but I do like clipping SAKs to the interior of tent roofs or on to backpack straps (if light enough) using a carabiner.

That barbed wire pic...thats a McGuyver trick right there, gotta remember that one.

I also imagine if you have 2 SAKs you could attach a wire saw between them and use them as the handles.

Plus you can't turn your SAKs into nunchaku without them.

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Re: key ring, like it or not ?
Reply #39 on: September 04, 2016, 07:31:51 PM
I like 'em the way they aren. And I miss it on SAKs that don´t have them.

I like to put a piece of cord on my tools to make it easier to get it out of my pocket. I don´t use any of those hangers.

My limited skills kept me away from making a lanyard knot. So a simple piece of cord fits best for me.
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Re: key ring, like it or not ?
Reply #40 on: September 04, 2016, 08:45:22 PM
A key ring is essential for me because I like lanyards.


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Re: key ring, like it or not ?
Reply #41 on: September 04, 2016, 09:29:14 PM
Had the Harvester and it bugged me a lot not to have it. To me it's quite important


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Re: key ring, like it or not ?
Reply #42 on: September 04, 2016, 09:32:56 PM
I use them with a pocket clip to keep the knife hanging upright in my pocket instead of lying in the bottom of my pocket, which is especially useful when I'm wearing pants with very deep pockets and I have other stuff in the pockets that might mar a knife such as keys or a money clip.  I don't carry many pocket knives without a ring for a lanyard.

Same here



I use them to put pocket clips/danglers or attachments (extension cables, cord, etc.)



I hate when SAKs are not flat and straight in the pocket. Also use them to attach to the keychain (58mm only)



Always a fan of clipped/hangin tools! Sometimes I also put lanyards on them, so keyring is important!  :salute:

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Re: key ring, like it or not ?
Reply #43 on: September 04, 2016, 09:53:39 PM
A SAK absolutely have to have a keyring for me to carry it. I like to dangle it vertically in LFP with a S-biner clip by clipping it to the edge of the pocket. Clip is easy to remove to use the awl or driver.



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Re: key ring, like it or not ?
Reply #44 on: September 04, 2016, 10:06:10 PM
I clip them to my belt loop while sitting in my pocket cause I'm worried about losing them, so keyring for me.


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Re: key ring, like it or not ?
Reply #45 on: September 05, 2016, 10:00:56 PM
it's proven useful today, as I carried this one vertical in the pocket


comfortable carry thanks to keyring  :tu:
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Re: key ring, like it or not ?
Reply #46 on: September 05, 2016, 10:23:48 PM
Generally I like a SAK sans keyring, just feels better in the hand. Less of a pressure point, especially when rotating the drivers. Also, I Had a lanyard on one and it kept getting in the way when I was trying to make some pilot holes with a 93mm. Plus I don't care for the loop to rattle around if theres no lanyard on it.

I have put lanyards on a few but I don't feel there's much benefit to having one.

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Re: key ring, like it or not ?
Reply #47 on: September 06, 2016, 04:45:17 PM
Yes, er

No!

Well, sometimes...

Seriously though, if I need the keyring/lanyard to help pull the SAK out of a pouch or if it's riding vertically in a pocket then yes, but most of the time I want my EDC knife to fall to the bottom of my pocket, so no. But then again, to attach a 58mm on a keyring requires one.

These kinds of questions mess with my OCD.  :ahhh

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Re: key ring, like it or not ?
Reply #48 on: September 12, 2016, 12:12:34 PM
Can't go without it!



Keychain setup requires it

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Re: key ring, like it or not ?
Reply #49 on: September 13, 2016, 05:34:11 PM
DQG Light in the keyring, only way to attach it to the EDC Alox Minichamp!

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Re: key ring, like it or not ?
Reply #50 on: September 14, 2016, 01:52:14 AM
I'm a bail kind of guy--large to attach to pretty much anything, and unlike the keyring, it will swing out of the way.  That's why the Scout and electrician's pattern knives are my favorites.

The SAK keyring really doesn't bother me, but I hate it on 58mm. I don't miss it at all when I take it or its replacement off my Soldier (I replaced it with an Acme 636 whistle and the keyring the whistle came with). 


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Re: key ring, like it or not ?
Reply #51 on: September 14, 2016, 05:36:15 AM
the key ring allows my little ones to hang out  :)



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Re: key ring, like it or not ?
Reply #52 on: September 14, 2016, 10:00:26 AM
On my side, the keyring is very useful to hang the SAK on a homemade Ti pocket clip -much better than the SAK lying horizontally at the bottom of the pocket leading to wear on the fabric-.
Though that same pocket clip can be really annoying when using tools on its side (like small blade and cap lifter... )

So do i like it or not?  :think:  :pok:
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Re: key ring, like it or not ?
Reply #53 on: September 14, 2016, 10:02:55 AM
My favorites are those found in Wengers, those grumpy little chains!  :like:





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Re: key ring, like it or not ?
Reply #54 on: May 02, 2017, 10:31:01 PM
I dislike the way the protrusion of the keyring nub pushes into my hand on the alox knives.
I like lanyards, hangers, carabiners etc.
So I carry ... Camper II ...  :facepalm:

I would love to have
- a red alox Farmer
- with white shield logo
- no keyring fob
- hollow river on the other side than the blades tip is
- and perhaps with added scissors (nailnick on the usual side)

Or perhaps a Victorinox Huntsman with alox scales (remove plastic scales and outer metal layer and replace it with alox scales). On 91mm SAKs the keyring nub goes in another angle and I doesn't mind it at all. :)


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Re: key ring, like it or not ?
Reply #55 on: May 02, 2017, 11:50:49 PM
I'm not a big fan of the key ring but having one does not stop my from carrying the SAK. I do carry Pioneers with the Vic lanyard simply because I like the Alox color variety. If I know I'm going to do a lot of heavy duty cutting then i grab one of my soldiers so a hot-spot does not develop.


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Re: key ring, like it or not ?
Reply #56 on: May 03, 2017, 01:10:57 AM
On cellular SAKs, on problem. Alox, no way. But I don't much care for Alox anyways.
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Re: key ring, like it or not ?
Reply #57 on: May 03, 2017, 09:56:51 AM
On cellular SAKs, on problem. Alox, no way. But I don't much care for Alox anyways.
Yeah, same here.
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Re: key ring, like it or not ?
Reply #58 on: May 03, 2017, 11:19:23 AM
Well i have a love/hate relationship with the keyring's too. I always wanted to have a small Tinker without one (like the one MacGyver used on the first EP's) but could never get one...  :cry:
Have removed the ring sometimes, kept it some other times...

All in all i prefer having it there, just feels more right to me and i feel i can grab the knife better, and it might always come in handy to suspend it or attaching it to anything if the need arises.

Mind you i don't use lanyard's, hangers, put it in keychain's (other than the 58's) or any other stuff, just hate to have stuff attached to it, getting in the way.
I just keep my sak's loose in my pocket pant's.

As far as the 93mm, i agree with most of you. I would rather have one without the keyring, not only it looks better without one but it's way more comfortable. But then again i almost never carry my Pioneer so...  :cheers:
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Re: key ring, like it or not ?
Reply #59 on: May 03, 2017, 11:20:52 AM
On cellular SAKs, on problem. Alox, no way. But I don't much care for Alox anyways.
Yeah, same here.
PS: It's cellidor, not cellular.  :D :whistle:
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