Tips for the best small EDC multitool?

[anditsgone]

That would be awesome. I would buy one.
But for now i am still between the juice s2 or the Vic explorer. They both have about the same tools, but the juice is more than twice as expensive. But it does have pliers. But they are about the same as the skeletool i had, and i broke two of those.
I have a web shop were you can return the product for free if you for some reason not stratified. Maybe i will give the juice a try?
Still watching reviews now.

Never had a juice, buy ive heard the older style Juices were better/less lopsided. Leatherman has a 25 year warranty, so assuming shipping isnt outrageous, you could get a warranty replacement, and sell it if you hate it.

Whats the worst that could happen? Getting two tools that you really like?

You're right about that, I've had a Swisstool before and i am now going to give leatherman a try again. Before the Swisstool i had a wave. And before the wave i had a Swisstool again.
I've had allot of different mt s.
Victorinox alox pioneer
Leatherman MUT
Leatherman skelletool
Leatherman rebar
Leatherman Supertool
Leatherman wave
Victorinox Swisstool

I am really liking Victorinox. Their customer service is awesome. And their products are spot less. But because i am a mechanic i do need pliers a lot. And leatherman is more of a plier style brand than Victorinox.
It is a shame that Vic doesn't make a juice style alox mt. That would be a winner for me.

[sLaughterMed]

What, like a Juice with alox scales instead of its normal scales? That might be interesting, assuming it would look like two alox SAKs smooshed together like I am thinking.

I dont think Victorinox is ready for something that radical yet

[anditsgone]

What, like a Juice with alox scales instead of its normal scales? That might be interesting, assuming it would look like two alox SAKs smooshed together like I am thinking.

I dont think Victorinox is ready for something that radical yet

I agree, but i would be a step in to the 21 century to squish to alox models together, put a plier between them and put scissors, screwdrivers in them.
Because that is the reason a lot of people choose leatherman. Because Victorinox doesn't offer a really good small plier package. The swisschamp plier can't compete to the juice plier.

[HarleyXJGuy]

Just pocket carry a Wave with the add on clip?

[anditsgone]

Just pocket carry a Wave with the add on clip?

I have carried a want before and i did like it, but i think it is a bit to heavy and bulky.
I have orderd a juice s2 yesterday and it will arrive today.
I will see if it fits my needs. If it doesn't i will return it.

[comis]

Just pocket carry a Wave with the add on clip?

I have carried a want before and i did like it, but i think it is a bit to heavy and bulky.
I have orderd a juice s2 yesterday and it will arrive today.
I will see if it fits my needs. If it doesn't i will return it.

That's a good choice.  I personally like the thinner versions of Juice better than the bigger ones, since the bigger ones are practically approaching a mid size MTs weight and utility wise they are not the same.

[Mextreme]

What, like a Juice with alox scales instead of its normal scales? That might be interesting, assuming it would look like two alox SAKs smooshed together like I am thinking.

I dont think Victorinox is ready for something that radical yet

Or just take take The Squirt PS4 and multiply all measurements with anywhere from 1.5 to 2.0 and let Victorinox put their springs and fit and finish on it and I'd EDC it until... Heck they would have to bury me with it.

[Zed]

What, like a Juice with alox scales instead of its normal scales? That might be interesting, assuming it would look like two alox SAKs smooshed together like I am thinking.

I dont think Victorinox is ready for something that radical yet

Or just take take The Squirt PS4 and multiply all measurements with anywhere from 1.5 to 2.0 and let Victorinox put their springs and fit and finish on it and I'd EDC it until... Heck they would have to bury me with it.

 

[anditsgone]

Just pocket carry a Wave with the add on clip?

I have carried a want before and i did like it, but i think it is a bit to heavy and bulky.
I have orderd a juice s2 yesterday and it will arrive today.
I will see if it fits my needs. If it doesn't i will return it.

That's a good choice.  I personally like the thinner versions of Juice better than the bigger ones, since the bigger ones are practically approaching a mid size MTs weight and utility wise they are not the same.

Yeah i was very tempted to buy the larger CS4, but i use the woodsaw and awl about once a month, the cork screw i have never used before because i don't drink wine.
So i bought the smallest version, something i would have never done in the past. Because i always wanted the biggest, largest and strongest mt availeble. Thats the reason i carried the swisstool X for so long. But now i get older, 18 i have more casual clothes and the swisstool x really weighs me down because i also have a wallet in the left pocket.

[Zed]

18 old  now im old  but i know what you mesn about BIG  for me its like,do i carry 2-3 different mt's sak's, or one big one with all the tools i need  its the reason i swap from the swisschamp to explorer or handycraftsman to the spirit  after all these years on here im still confused 

[anditsgone]

18 old  now im old  but i know what you mesn about BIG  for me its like,do i carry 2-3 different mt's sak's, or one big one with all the tools i need  its the reason i swap from the swisschamp to explorer or handycraftsman to the spirit  after all these years on here im still confused 

Yeah i thought i had found my MT for the rest of my life,i always thought it was a load of crap that people carry an MT that has pliers that can't really do work that dedicated pliers can do. Small and flimsy screw drivers.
I did not like the compromise that came with a lighter MT. But as my life style changes i can see that you may want to do some comprise in weight to tool load out. Because last week i didn't carry an MT at all. And that is against my life code because since the first day i got my first leatherman i have never left the house with out an MT.
And the first day i left the house without an MT the multitool gods punished me imeaditly, because my boss knows i always carry an MT with scissors. He asked for scissors and for the first time i could not help him out in the situation.

[anditsgone]

The juice has arrived
I have opened the box and this are my first impression:

Everything is hard to get out and the small flatheads need another multitool to be opened, but after 5 leathermans i know they all have that when they are brand new.
The knife blade has a noticeble nick in it about 1 centimeter from the point.
Also the scissor have an uneven grind to them. there is a curve in the grind about 5mm from the point of the scissors, also when you move the scissors the burs from the grind grind against eachtother thus making a strange sound when using the scissors.
They aluminium handles are wrapped over the steel frame, but it is more like aluminium foil than an aluminium plate. It is about 0,3 mm thick.
I really like the springs that keep the plier in place when opened, when closed they do add a little bit of friction but unfourtanly it doesnt click in place.
All the tools click in place nicely, not as solid as victorinox but this does make them easier to close again.
The pliers dont have an opening spring in them, this did not bother me as much on the large mt's, but on the small juice it is a bit of a fiddle to get the pliers open again especially when new because they dont fall open by them self.
The flatthead screw drivers have a nice grind to them, but as i noted they are a pain in the ass to open, i even cut my thumb while opening the medium size flathead. ( this problem will solve it self in a couple of weeks)
The pliers are nice and have been machined very precise. These are good pliers for precise work like electronic or computers. You wont repair a car with them because they are 5 mm thick at the cutting part and only 2,5mm at the joint. I think this is about the same as the skeletool i've had and i broke two of them. I have learned from that you should never bend with mt pliers only cut and grip things, and after that i have never broke an mt plier again.
All the tools except for the pliers have a nice semi polished look to them, this makes them better resistent to rust and also gives them a nice look.
I have big hands and the tool is a bit on the small side, but it still works perfectly. But because the pliers are not worn it it is a bit of a hassle to use them because you have to push the handles out with your middle finger. ( this problem wil also solve itself in a couple of days)

The verdict:
This tool definatly has to be worn in for a couple of days, after that i think it is a nice little pocket edc multitool. That covers all the basics well. It is more like better carry this tool and be prepared than carry no tool at all which is stupid

Do i recommend this product to a friend: No
I dont recommend it to a friend because it is just too expensive for what you get. you can get a Vic explorer that does the same stuff for 35 euro. I paid 90 for this one. The vic has much higher quality tools and fit and finish for the money.
I would reccomned this to a friend for a 40 to 50 euro price range. So i would advise them to get a second hand example.

I am going to do the same thing. I am going to send this back to the store and tell them that it is just not worth the 90 euros i paid for it (a leatherman wave is 99 Euro) and i am going to buy a second hand example for 40 50 euros.

[comis]

The juice has arrived
I have opened the box and this are my first impression:

Everything is hard to get out and the small flatheads need another multitool to be opened, but after 5 leathermans i know they all have that when they are brand new.
The knife blade has a noticeble nick in it about 1 centimeter from the point.
Also the scissor have an uneven grind to them. there is a curve in the grind about 5mm from the point of the scissors, also when you move the scissors the burs from the grind grind against eachtother thus making a strange sound when using the scissors.

.......

Do i recommend this product to a friend: No
I dont recommend it to a friend because it is just too expensive for what you get. you can get a Vic explorer that does the same stuff for 35 euro. I paid 90 for this one. The vic has much higher quality tools and fit and finish for the money.
I would reccomned this to a friend for a 40 to 50 euro price range. So i would advise them to get a second hand example.

I am going to do the same thing. I am going to send this back to the store and tell them that it is just not worth the 90 euros i paid for it (a leatherman wave is 99 Euro) and i am going to buy a second hand example for 40 50 euros.

I remember really liking the Juice idea when it first came out and was quite excited to get my first one, but I felt the overall quality for Juice has always been a little sub par from the standard LM product lines(Wave/Charge/SuperTool), even for LM. 

[anditsgone]

The juice has arrived
I have opened the box and this are my first impression:

Everything is hard to get out and the small flatheads need another multitool to be opened, but after 5 leathermans i know they all have that when they are brand new.
The knife blade has a noticeble nick in it about 1 centimeter from the point.
Also the scissor have an uneven grind to them. there is a curve in the grind about 5mm from the point of the scissors, also when you move the scissors the burs from the grind grind against eachtother thus making a strange sound when using the scissors.

.......

Do i recommend this product to a friend: No
I dont recommend it to a friend because it is just too expensive for what you get. you can get a Vic explorer that does the same stuff for 35 euro. I paid 90 for this one. The vic has much higher quality tools and fit and finish for the money.
I would reccomned this to a friend for a 40 to 50 euro price range. So i would advise them to get a second hand example.

I am going to do the same thing. I am going to send this back to the store and tell them that it is just not worth the 90 euros i paid for it (a leatherman wave is 99 Euro) and i am going to buy a second hand example for 40 50 euros.

I remember really liking the Juice idea when it first came out and was quite excited to get my first one, but I felt the overall quality for Juice has always been a little sub par from the standard LM product lines(Wave/Charge/SuperTool), even for LM.

They quality is really not that bad, but the breaking in time annoys me. I just can not get the small flat heads open without some sort of pry bar otherwise i will brake my nail or cut my thumb again. Those are the things that annoy me. Victorinox has zero breaking in time. Thats why i always recommend them to my friends. otherwise the only place that thing is gonna end up is in the drawer because they wont use it due to the hard/impossible opening when new.

And things like burs, nicks and bad grinding should not be present on a 90 euro mt from such a well known manufacturer.

[raistlin65]

Victorinox Cadet Alox combined with Leatherman Style CS works fine for me.

+1

Keep my Style CS on my keys so I always have scissors away from the house regardless of what knife or MT I carry.  If you can forgo the pliers, carry a Farmer with the Style and would give you a woodsaw

[HarleyXJGuy]

The juice has arrived
I have opened the box and this are my first impression:

Everything is hard to get out and the small flatheads need another multitool to be opened, but after 5 leathermans i know they all have that when they are brand new.
The knife blade has a noticeble nick in it about 1 centimeter from the point.
Also the scissor have an uneven grind to them. there is a curve in the grind about 5mm from the point of the scissors, also when you move the scissors the burs from the grind grind against eachtother thus making a strange sound when using the scissors.

.......

Do i recommend this product to a friend: No
I dont recommend it to a friend because it is just too expensive for what you get. you can get a Vic explorer that does the same stuff for 35 euro. I paid 90 for this one. The vic has much higher quality tools and fit and finish for the money.
I would reccomned this to a friend for a 40 to 50 euro price range. So i would advise them to get a second hand example.

I am going to do the same thing. I am going to send this back to the store and tell them that it is just not worth the 90 euros i paid for it (a leatherman wave is 99 Euro) and i am going to buy a second hand example for 40 50 euros.

I remember really liking the Juice idea when it first came out and was quite excited to get my first one, but I felt the overall quality for Juice has always been a little sub par from the standard LM product lines(Wave/Charge/SuperTool), even for LM.

They quality is really not that bad, but the breaking in time annoys me. I just can not get the small flat heads open without some sort of pry bar otherwise i will brake my nail or cut my thumb again. Those are the things that annoy me. Victorinox has zero breaking in time. Thats why i always recommend them to my friends. otherwise the only place that thing is gonna end up is in the drawer because they wont use it due to the hard/impossible opening when new.

And things like burs, nicks and bad grinding should not be present on a 90 euro mt from such a well known manufacturer.

Instead of reccomending them to friends you should have got one for yourself.

Does the Spirit not have some of the tools you can not,live without?

[anditsgone]

The juice has arrived
I have opened the box and this are my first impression:

Everything is hard to get out and the small flatheads need another multitool to be opened, but after 5 leathermans i know they all have that when they are brand new.
The knife blade has a noticeble nick in it about 1 centimeter from the point.
Also the scissor have an uneven grind to them. there is a curve in the grind about 5mm from the point of the scissors, also when you move the scissors the burs from the grind grind against eachtother thus making a strange sound when using the scissors.

.......

Do i recommend this product to a friend: No
I dont recommend it to a friend because it is just too expensive for what you get. you can get a Vic explorer that does the same stuff for 35 euro. I paid 90 for this one. The vic has much higher quality tools and fit and finish for the money.
I would reccomned this to a friend for a 40 to 50 euro price range. So i would advise them to get a second hand example.

I am going to do the same thing. I am going to send this back to the store and tell them that it is just not worth the 90 euros i paid for it (a leatherman wave is 99 Euro) and i am going to buy a second hand example for 40 50 euros.

I remember really liking the Juice idea when it first came out and was quite excited to get my first one, but I felt the overall quality for Juice has always been a little sub par from the standard LM product lines(Wave/Charge/SuperTool), even for LM.

They quality is really not that bad, but the breaking in time annoys me. I just can not get the small flat heads open without some sort of pry bar otherwise i will brake my nail or cut my thumb again. Those are the things that annoy me. Victorinox has zero breaking in time. Thats why i always recommend them to my friends. otherwise the only place that thing is gonna end up is in the drawer because they wont use it due to the hard/impossible opening when new.

And things like burs, nicks and bad grinding should not be present on a 90 euro mt from such a well known manufacturer.

Instead of reccomending them to friends you should have got one for yourself.

Does the Spirit not have some of the tools you can not,live without?

The spirit is to big for my edc.
I do recommend it to friends, but not for 90 Euros.
If you can get it for 50 you have a good tool for a nice price.

[Smaug]

I cut my thumb the first time I opened my Juice screwdriver too. But you learn how to do it, try not to overreact.

I think the overall quality is very good. I rarely carry mine, because I rarely need pliers these days. The main tools I use are toothpick, knife, scissors, pry bar (large flat head) and #2 Phillips.

You're the kind of guy who uses pliers more, so I think you should give the new Juice a chance. The finish isn't polished, but that doesn't mean lower quality. The grind on the flat screwdrivers is better than Victorinox's. The pliers are more useful than the precision pliers on a 91mm SAK. It has a useful wire cutter too, which a 91mm SAK also lacks. Those are the Juice S2's advantages. If you leverage them, you'll end up really liking it.

I agree that it is annoying to have to push MT pliers open. They're naturally not as ergonomic as a dedicated pliers, so pushing them open when new is awkward.

[Demel]

I wanted a juice s2 until I saw the three flat head drivers. But 90€ seems extreme. Here in the states it's about $50 and that seems overpriced in my book.  If it was about 30-35 I would have one. But not for that price. I would ask someone to get it for me as a gift. I say stick with it for a couple weeks to see if it grows on you, if not then send it back.

[anditsgone]

I wanted a juice s2 until I saw the three flat head drivers. But 90€ seems extreme. Here in the states it's about $50 and that seems overpriced in my book.  If it was about 30-35 I would have one. But not for that price. I would ask someone to get it for me as a gift. I say stick with it for a couple weeks to see if it grows on you, if not then send it back.

Yeah i have bought an second hand juice s2, it will arrive in the mail Wednesday . It costed 50 Euros wich is almost half the price for what the retail price is.
Leathermans are pretty expensive in Europe. I also think the price for the juice should be around 40 euros. In comparison the Swisschamp cost 60 Euros.
90 is just overpriced. It not like it is some super high quality Damascus titanium carbon fiber 24kt gold multitool. But they advertise like it is one with their high pricing.

[Demel]

I wanted a juice s2 until I saw the three flat head drivers. But 90€ seems extreme. Here in the states it's about $50 and that seems overpriced in my book.  If it was about 30-35 I would have one. But not for that price. I would ask someone to get it for me as a gift. I say stick with it for a couple weeks to see if it grows on you, if not then send it back.

It not like it is some super high quality Damascus titanium carbon fiber 24kt gold multitool.

That would  be epic

[anditsgone]

I wanted a juice s2 until I saw the three flat head drivers. But 90€ seems extreme. Here in the states it's about $50 and that seems overpriced in my book.  If it was about 30-35 I would have one. But not for that price. I would ask someone to get it for me as a gift. I say stick with it for a couple weeks to see if it grows on you, if not then send it back.

It not like it is some super high quality Damascus titanium carbon fiber 24kt gold multitool.

That would  be epic

Yeah, an sv30 blade would justify the price point a little more. Also tti handles or frame would be better.
We pay a high end price but get low end materials.

[Mextreme]

I wanted a juice s2 until I saw the three flat head drivers. But 90€ seems extreme. Here in the states it's about $50 and that seems overpriced in my book.  If it was about 30-35 I would have one. But not for that price. I would ask someone to get it for me as a gift. I say stick with it for a couple weeks to see if it grows on you, if not then send it back.

Yeah i have bought an second hand juice s2, it will arrive in the mail Wednesday . It costed 50 Euros wich is almost half the price for what the retail price is.
Leathermans are pretty expensive in Europe. I also think the price for the juice should be around 40 euros. In comparison the Swisschamp cost 60 Euros.
90 is just overpriced. It not like it is some super high quality Damascus titanium carbon fiber 24kt gold multitool. But they advertise like it is one with their high pricing.

I just got a new storm grey S2 with premium sheath and gift Box for 40€ (Or actually 34 as I didn't have to pay german VAT) and like it a lot. IF I paid 90 I might have felt different. However mine is quite snappy and nice. Blade and scissors were quite dull but now they cut like crazy. That blade is almost scary letter opener. It rarely makes a swosh. Pliers are the most precise so far from leatherman.

[anditsgone]

I wanted a juice s2 until I saw the three flat head drivers. But 90€ seems extreme. Here in the states it's about $50 and that seems overpriced in my book.  If it was about 30-35 I would have one. But not for that price. I would ask someone to get it for me as a gift. I say stick with it for a couple weeks to see if it grows on you, if not then send it back.

Yeah i have bought an second hand juice s2, it will arrive in the mail Wednesday . It costed 50 Euros wich is almost half the price for what the retail price is.
Leathermans are pretty expensive in Europe. I also think the price for the juice should be around 40 euros. In comparison the Swisschamp cost 60 Euros.
90 is just overpriced. It not like it is some super high quality Damascus titanium carbon fiber 24kt gold multitool. But they advertise like it is one with their high pricing.

I just got a new storm grey S2 with premium sheath and gift Box for 40€ (Or actually 34 as I didn't have to pay german VAT) and like it a lot. IF I paid 90 I might have felt different. However mine is quite snappy and nice. Blade and scissors were quite dull but now they cut like crazy. That blade is almost scary letter opener. It rarely makes a swosh. Pliers are the most precise so far from leatherman.

Agree on the precise pliers and the utilty work blade.
But as i said the price is just not right.
It does not justify the quality in the the tools and fit and finish. And the materials that are used in the tools. They are just 420HC and aluminium but that is nothing special.

If you forget the price it as an extremely usefull tool in a very small package. Leatherman really did a good job at  creating such a small package (the size of your pointer and middle finger) with precise pliers, utility blade, 4 screw drivers, excellent scissors and a beer opener