Have your EDC gone too far?

[strmliner]

It's all good, Spey...enjoy!   

And when you have a chance, show us a picture or two of your "carry".

[Spey]

It's all good, Spey...enjoy!   

And when you have a chance, show us a picture or two of your "carry".

Like a picture of daily carry tools ...? Hmm, .... I suppose I could do that (so long as it does not relate to defensive carry options ;-) I have a small circle that I share this type of sensitive info). Will try and get a quick pic as soon as environment allows :-)

Regards,

[temo]

I don't edc seperate knife. And mostly like to use short and strong knives. Sadly often with MTs strong and long goes hand to hand. And as general as well. So keychain size knives are thin and heavy duty size are thick. Short and strong blades are rare. All the use for long blade I have is mostly slice and then long blade can be thin. So personally I don't understand why strong and long blades are popular.

[Spey]

On the single today, so no CLA means auxiliary batt-pack for vape & phone.



Zippo, phone, pen not pictured.

Regards,

[zrxoa1]

I find that my favorite thing to carry is my old, cheap Lightning DA OTF automatic knife.

It is very sharp and I love being able to pull it out of my pocket, deploy the blade, use it quickly, retract the blade and stick it back in my pocket before anyone even realized I had it out!



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[Fortytwo]

Padre,

Your questions appear to be loaded. Example ... yes, I would agree that most "small" daily cutting tasks can be accomplished with a "small" blade length. Smaller task, smaller tool is pretty typical in many applications.

My diminutively sized ZDP-Dragonfly (daily carry as money-clip) could easily perform many daily tasks, but I prefer to exercise myself by using a larger blade for smaller tasks (4.6" K2 or a Millie).

When it comes to a simple task like cutting a hoagie in half, etc. it's been my experience that longer blades are simply more efficient. Using a short blade is kinda ridiculously frustrating by comparison. On the other hand, I chose the smaller Dragonfly for tasks like fitting a hickory handle to a hawk head (because the edge geometry I keep on it makes the task somewhat effortless).

I think much is the same when it comes to other daily carry tools. Example: The front screen on my phone along with the camera LED (along with an app that controls the output of both/either) work pretty well in many circumstances as a lighting tool. However I still carry & daily use a small Ti LED torch, because well ... there's just a number of uses that a flashlight just does a much better job at (like finding my phone in the dark ... ;-) or needing both hands free by clipping torch to backpack shoulder-strap or belt-loop, mouth-hold, etc.).

I "think" the funniest thing about this subject is how little it seems most peep's actually think about application and use vs. choice based on physical appearance or perceived need based what's currently socially popular. Example: how many users tailor the cutting geometry of there daily carry knives based on actual usage requirements vs. current industry trends ...

Everyone has their own reasons for what they choose to carry, and many different reasons for their choices (as silly as this seems, I do my best to focus on my needs unless someone specifically asks ;-)


Regards,

While I agree with you in most part I took the topic to be about your EDC growing beyond your own needs. I know that has happened to me at times, both regarding knives and other gear (as mentioned before here I'm in a phase where I should downsize my carry, I just don't meet anything that requires more than a single sak).

I would in general say that for example a Mora would be "too far" for me (and the local law would probably agree) but at a workplace it might very well be assumed I would carry one and when visiting rural relatives it's at least not anything out of the ordinary.

What I'm trying to say is that "too far" depends on who you are, what you work with and what you feel comfortable with carrying.

As for angles, blade shapes and such the alternatives are all too few for multitools. Aftermarket blades for SAKS would be awesome although I have my doubts as to the viability of the market. Mind that there are some alternatives, mostly found on the Alox knives, some older models and the Wenger/Delemont series and not always easily compatible with each other.

I'm preferring the Wenger/Delemont shapes myself since the different blade shapes opens up for different purposes and because the main blade has a more rounded shape that works better for spreading stuff.

[Spey]

Padre,

Your questions appear to be loaded. Example ... yes, I would agree that most "small" daily cutting tasks can be accomplished with a "small" blade length. Smaller task, smaller tool is pretty typical in many applications.

My diminutively sized ZDP-Dragonfly (daily carry as money-clip) could easily perform many daily tasks, but I prefer to exercise myself by using a larger blade for smaller tasks (4.6" K2 or a Millie).

When it comes to a simple task like cutting a hoagie in half, etc. it's been my experience that longer blades are simply more efficient. Using a short blade is kinda ridiculously frustrating by comparison. On the other hand, I chose the smaller Dragonfly for tasks like fitting a hickory handle to a hawk head (because the edge geometry I keep on it makes the task somewhat effortless).

I think much is the same when it comes to other daily carry tools. Example: The front screen on my phone along with the camera LED (along with an app that controls the output of both/either) work pretty well in many circumstances as a lighting tool. However I still carry & daily use a small Ti LED torch, because well ... there's just a number of uses that a flashlight just does a much better job at (like finding my phone in the dark ... ;-) or needing both hands free by clipping torch to backpack shoulder-strap or belt-loop, mouth-hold, etc.).

I "think" the funniest thing about this subject is how little it seems most peep's actually think about application and use vs. choice based on physical appearance or perceived need based what's currently socially popular. Example: how many users tailor the cutting geometry of there daily carry knives based on actual usage requirements vs. current industry trends ...

Everyone has their own reasons for what they choose to carry, and many different reasons for their choices (as silly as this seems, I do my best to focus on my needs unless someone specifically asks ;-)


Regards,

While I agree with you in most part I took the topic to be about your EDC growing beyond your own needs. I know that has happened to me at times, both regarding knives and other gear (as mentioned before here I'm in a phase where I should downsize my carry, I just don't meet anything that requires more than a single sak).

I would in general say that for example a Mora would be "too far" for me (and the local law would probably agree) but at a workplace it might very well be assumed I would carry one and when visiting rural relatives it's at least not anything out of the ordinary.

What I'm trying to say is that "too far" depends on who you are, what you work with and what you feel comfortable with carrying.

As for angles, blade shapes and such the alternatives are all too few for multitools. Aftermarket blades for SAKS would be awesome although I have my doubts as to the viability of the market. Mind that there are some alternatives, mostly found on the Alox knives, some older models and the Wenger/Delemont series and not always easily compatible with each other.

I'm preferring the Wenger/Delemont shapes myself since the different blade shapes opens up for different purposes and because the main blade has a more rounded shape that works better for spreading stuff.

Fortytwo,

I myself would not presume an SAK to be a known in a daily carry equation, but to be a variable (some may choose, some may not).

My history for example includes an SAK of one form or another for many decades as on person daily (a 70's version I bought at REI resides inside a PALS web slot on my go-pack). In some ways maybe I feel I outgrew the need to carry one daily, and have supplemented the need with other tools. Some phycology going in there ...

I know I would have no issue however slipping an SAK into a pocket, pouch, bag, etc. at any time.

Barometer would maybe seem to be; if I need to tighten my belt for anything more than a firearm, I probably want to review my carry ... ;-)

RE: your comment about a Mora
If I walk out the door carrying only my money-clip, I give second thought to at least going back for A knife ... then I realise my money-clip is my Dragonfly. I have proven to myself and a few friends through testing that one tool as an only carry, and it has proven my confidence to the point that returning for more is not a known fact (if I have my Dragonfly).

I would close with, if your feel you may be carrying in excess of needs to choose maybe one or two only for 5-days carry (I think most will be surprised at their results).

Additionally, I read the OP to be referencing size of blade or knife O.A., and would stick with my comments related to the diminutive Dragonfly ;-)

Regards,

[David]

I often have to much gear because I like to have my toys with me to play with.     

[hiraethus]

I often have to much gear because I like to have my toys with me to play with.     

Amen, brother.

[Aloha]

You dont really need much for your daily small tasks do you? So, legal issues aside, would half an inch blade usually be enough for 99% of your knife tasks, or do you REALLY need 3-4 inches?
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Looking back at the questions posed. 

No we don't need much ( blade ) for our small tasks.  This is why I carry a SAK.  The SAK does handle 99% of my daily small tasks just fine.  There has been some fails when I've carried only a 58mm so 91mm is what I'm more comfortable bringing.  Speaking of 91mm, the other tools come in quite handy and serve a variety of tasks as well so a 58mm alone would meet only cutting chores. 

I regularly cut hose material, hard rubber, plastic, zip ties, duct tape, etc, and while a 91mm could be pressed into service, why?  My Wave fills these cutting chores perfectly and I don't have to touch up/sharpen as often.  I also have a serrated blade if or when the main blade dulls. 

I have an on and off again relationship with folders.  I've carried one for periods of time then not again for periods of time, no real reason.  My Wave pretty much handles my day to day cutting chores and so much more.  I have been carrying a folder, not because I need one but like many, I enjoy doing so. 

So, while a 1/2 blade is sufficient for small daily cutting chores a 91mm is the sweet spot for me.   I would still IMO require a larger blade to cover ALL cutting chores not limited to small ones.     

[metasyntax]

I often have to much gear because I like to have my toys with me to play with.     

L I K E

[Etherealicer]

For me it is not just a question "could I do this with a smaller blade", but also how much sacrifice in comfort do I make.

I find the ideal blade length is around 8 cm, this gives a good versatility of a long enough cutting edge, still great tip control.
With larger blades, I find I loose the precision (especially when using the tip), with smaller blades I have to work harder (e.g. when cutting an apple), so this is the sweet size for me.

I have done the Classic Challenge, so I know that I could do almost everything with that tiny blade. However, I prefer the comfort of a slightly larger blade.

[Sea Monster]

I "think" the funniest thing about this subject is how little it seems most peep's actually think about application and use vs. choice based on physical appearance or perceived need based what's currently socially popular. Example: how many users tailor the cutting geometry of there daily carry knives based on actual usage requirements vs. current industry trends

Not sure when the last time Vic changed their cutting geometry was....

Anyway, to answer the OP - My "carry" knives are around the 75mm mark length wise, and folders.

I generally have two and they are (sort of) separated by "dirty" and "clean" tasks.

For the rest - I'm not really into double-ups or redundancy, or anything that makes my trousers rattle.

I keep my extended toy collection in the toolbox or wherever. It exists, it's available, but I don't need to hold on to it at all times.

Q. Has your EDC gone too far?
A. No, I have smurf to do that makes having "extra" stuff more irritating that useful, not to mention bills to pay and mouths to feed 



FWIW - my "preferred" blade length is around 150mm. but I'm not carrying a 150mm pocket knife, and it's not a huge issue to either go and get it, or know to grab it before I need it.

[G-Dizzle]

I carry a lot of stuff on my person every day and always have at least one weapon. EDC for me is partly stuff you use every day like a pocketknife, and partly stuff you hope you never have to use, but don't want to be caught without. Not only does that apply to weapons but to rescue items as well. This sounds corny but "Always be prepared" for anything. What good is your gun or large knife going to do you if you don't carry it? (As long as its legal)


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[alexTOOL]

For me it is not just a question "could I do this with a smaller blade", but also how much sacrifice in comfort do I make.

I find the ideal blade length is around 8 cm, this gives a good versatility of a long enough cutting edge, still great tip control.
With larger blades, I find I loose the precision (especially when using the tip), with smaller blades I have to work harder (e.g. when cutting an apple), so this is the sweet size for me.

I have done the Classic Challenge, so I know that I could do almost everything with that tiny blade. However, I prefer the comfort of a slightly larger blade.

USA and Switzerland laws are, in general, much more permissive than the rest of Europe laws.
I think some people can' t understand it.
Because of that,  many times when here some people show their EDCs loads out european guys get surprised...

So, many times we have to sacrifice some comfort and carry a more politically and legally correct EDC...

P.s.: Posted while having my lunch and peeling an apple with my LM Juice S2 in a park

[Etherealicer]

For me it is not just a question "could I do this with a smaller blade", but also how much sacrifice in comfort do I make.

I find the ideal blade length is around 8 cm, this gives a good versatility of a long enough cutting edge, still great tip control.
With larger blades, I find I loose the precision (especially when using the tip), with smaller blades I have to work harder (e.g. when cutting an apple), so this is the sweet size for me.

I have done the Classic Challenge, so I know that I could do almost everything with that tiny blade. However, I prefer the comfort of a slightly larger blade.

USA and Switzerland laws are, in general, much more permissive than the rest of Europe laws.
I think some people can' t understand it.
Because of that,  many times when here some people show their EDCs loads out european guys get surprised...

So, many times we have to sacrifice some comfort and carry a more politically and legally correct EDC...

P.s.: Posted while having my lunch and peeling an apple with my LM Juice S2 in a park

Agreed... selecting an EDC knife is always a trade-off

size vs. weight
quality vs. price
and of course also avoiding hassle and conflict plays into this too... I would certainly carry a different knife if I lived anywhere else in Europe.

As for those big ass EDC blades, there is also
Style / Looks / Though looking vs. functionality
And while I think that here at MT.O we weight functionality more, we are not above vanity . In a way a knife is not too different from women's handbag. While they have a practical side, they are chosen for fashion.

[Aloha]

Vanity IMO most certainly plays a part in EDC selection, at least IMO.  When I look at EDC pocket dumps I see all the "name" brands or in vogue must haves.  Heck I polished my Wave for goodness sake  .  Function over fashion for users of their tools I'm sure weighs more heavily.   

I've noticed many trends within EDC.  Its very interesting to me to see some who have come full circle while others are in their buy and test everything phase.  EDC to me about evolution, a survival of the fittest, if you will.  When you are using your tools function will tend to edge out fashion ( when its solely just for fashion ).  Being able to acquire both a functional and beautiful tool is a WIN.   

[Sea Monster]

I've noticed many trends within EDC.  Its very interesting to me to see some who have come full circle while others are in their buy and test everything phase.  EDC to me about evolution, a survival of the fittest, if you will.  When you are using your tools function will tend to edge out fashion ( when its solely just for fashion ).  Being able to acquire both a functional and beautiful tool is a WIN.   

I did have big plans for a Gear Blog, but when I realised all my reviews would be "Probably don't need it", I figured companies would stop sending me stuff to review/advertise and I'd be out of business pretty quick. 


(Except for Nitto tape, that stuff is great. If you don't have a roll in your pocket, go home and rethink your life)

[Spey]

Spey posted:
 ... I "think" the funniest thing about this subject is how little it seems most peep's actually think about application and use vs. choice based on physical appearance or perceived need based what's currently socially popular. Example: how many users tailor the cutting geometry of there daily carry knives based on actual usage requirements vs. current industry trends ...

Sea Monster replied:
Not sure when the last time Vic changed their cutting geometry was.... ...

I think you missed my point ..., I said " how many users tailor the cutting geometry of there daily carry knives based on actual usage requirements". Emphasis on "users", meaning taking what the factory produced and adjusting it to suite specific users actual usage.

Yes, an owner can adjust the cutting geometry of a Vic (assuming that means Victorinox), SAK, or any other knife (or tool for that matter). Likewise, completely change a blades profile, based on user application (Drop or Trailing-Point to a Spey, Wharncliffe, etc., etc.

Regards,

[Aloha]

Spey posted:
 ... I "think" the funniest thing about this subject is how little it seems most peep's actually think about application and use vs. choice based on physical appearance or perceived need based what's currently socially popular. Example: how many users tailor the cutting geometry of there daily carry knives based on actual usage requirements vs. current industry trends ...

Sea Monster replied:
Not sure when the last time Vic changed their cutting geometry was.... ...

I think you missed my point ..., I said " how many users tailor the cutting geometry of there daily carry knives based on actual usage requirements". Emphasis on "users", meaning taking what the factory produced and adjusting it to suite specific users actual usage.

Yes, an owner can adjust the cutting geometry of a Vic (assuming that means Victorinox), SAK, or any other knife (or tool for that matter). Likewise, completely change a blades profile, based on user application (Drop or Trailing-Point to a Spey, Wharncliffe, etc., etc.

Regards,

Thinking about what casual user may actually change the edge geometry is an interesting question.   I'd say not many if any "casual" users do.  Reason being is they are casual users and so a factory done edge is good enough.  Some may refine the edge by running it across a ceramic rod or similar.  Changing it however as a result of poor performance however I just don't think so.   

Lets take kitchen knives as an example.  I'd imagine very few people buy their kitchen cutlery thinking about what food prep they will do.  The figure a chefs knife is a good all around knife, and it is.  I feel the same goes for pocket knives to be honest.  The casual user really won't "need" more than a sharp knife for everyday cutting chores.  Probably why the SAK is such a versatile pocket knife and why the edge geometry hasn't changed or needed to change. 

Just my thoughts and ramblings.  Very interesting mention   

[strmliner]

(Except for Nitto tape, that stuff is great. If you don't have a roll in your pocket, go home and rethink your life)

Never heard of Nitto tape.  What's so special about it?   

[charlie fox]

So, for me, my small knife (generally a SAK Classic or Rambler) will handle 99% of my daily needs. However my big knife, a 3-4" folder is reserved for heavy cutting chores, but I'm at a point in my life I can admit that the large blade is 90% tool and 10% back up to my pistol. I'm no knife fighter, and if it's come to that its a BAD day, however better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.