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Fasting........ 1991

Zombie Apprentice Posts: 13,865 Firm believer of Sturgeon's Law
Re: Fasting........
« Reply #60 on: July 09, 2018, 05:12:22 PM »

i'm game. we gonna go intermittent fast 16 to 18 hour fast and 8 to 6 hour of possibility to eat or full day fast. and is coffee breaking the fast or not?

a good way to start  :tu: IF with that 16/8 ratio is very easy to do and gets easier with time, in a few days you're used to it  :salute:
I'll start with you on that but with a slightly different 18/6 ratio to get warmed up, and then the other week the 2 day fast will be easy and smooth  :cheers:

Coffee is good as long as you're taking is as a non-caloric beverage (no sugar, no milk, no cream, just black coffee  :P [maybe with a noncaloric sweetener if you can't stand plain black coffee  :pok: such as saccharin, cyclamate, stevia, sucralose, neotame, or a combination of those, but you have to make sure it's calorie-free and not a pre-made mix using dextrose, or other bulking agents  :ahhh)
Same goes for tea  ;)


How did you guess?  :D

it's what I did at your age, going to sleep at 23PM and waking up for school at 7AM having breakfast  ;)

It is clear that we need to eat. We need fats, carbs, and proteins.
But there are good and bad examples of each.

Instead of low carb diets, try low sugar diets.
Eat less meat and more fish.
Eat as many fruits and veggies as you like.

And don´t eat junk food and ready-made meals that have way too much salt.

I´m 56 years old and healthy. My weight is just below 80kg. With a length of 1.80m my BMI is excellent.

Edit. I forgot this: don´t eat more calories than you can burn! Keep moving!


of course we need to eat, and eat good things, but this fasting approach is as good as any other especially if you haven't done your duties of clean healthy eating for years and now you have, feel and carry the consequences or ailments related to that  :oops:

some people cant diet, some can't eat healthy, some can't eat less, some can't move more, and to some of them the fasting method (be it IF, 2/7, 16-8 hours etc.) is what works or is easier to bear or apply to their daily lives and eating habits  :pok:

of course, as I said, if you don't have any problem, issue or medical condition related to diet this is moot point for you and this thread is not what you're looking for  :salute:

PS: I basically keep a vegetarian diet (80% of what I eat),
I quit sugar 3 years ago,  :mn: in all of its refined forms (fructose, glucose, sucrose, honey, syrups and such, the only sugars I eat now are naturally occurring, and I use stevia or sucralose/Ace-K/cyclamate/saccharine for sweetening purposes.

  ;) Barely any salt too, I don' add it to my food and I don't eat pre-made meals with exceptional occasions, but very rare ones  :angel:

I am 1,77 and 76Kgs but have other diet-related issues that benefit from intermittent fasting or occasional two/three day fasting every other month, and even though I move a lot and are not a sedentary person in the job or my free time, I have noticed improvements in my overall well being with this  :2tu:

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Re: Fasting........
« Reply #61 on: July 09, 2018, 05:21:13 PM »
I agree on the hard to digest carbs instead of cutting them out of ones diet completely. Try stuff like buckwheat kasha and other types of porridge (kaša is actually a word for porridge in Slavic languages  :D). I eat a lot of it (buckwheat, spelt, millet, wheat, brown rice, red rice). There are also different types of lentils. Though I only really eat peas and chickpeas.  :D

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Re: Fasting........
« Reply #62 on: July 09, 2018, 05:58:41 PM »
Now that you brought them up... What are the healthiest legumes? :think:
And the healthiest way to prepare them? The ones that come cooked in cans from the shop? Or soaking and cooking dried legumes at home?

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Re: Fasting........
« Reply #63 on: July 09, 2018, 06:17:03 PM »
well i'm in. and yes i drink pure black coffee without additions to it

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Re: Fasting........
« Reply #64 on: July 09, 2018, 06:43:25 PM »
Now that you brought them up... What are the healthiest legumes? :think:
And the healthiest way to prepare them? The ones that come cooked in cans from the shop? Or soaking and cooking dried legumes at home?

I don't know. I simply eat the ones I like.  :like: :D

As for preparation I guess the ones you make at home?

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Zombie Apprentice Posts: 13,865 Firm believer of Sturgeon's Law
Re: Fasting........
« Reply #65 on: July 09, 2018, 08:51:07 PM »
Now that you brought them up... What are the healthiest legumes? :think:
And the healthiest way to prepare them? The ones that come cooked in cans from the shop? Or soaking and cooking dried legumes at home?

I don't know. I simply eat the ones I like.  :like: :D

As for preparation I guess the ones you make at home?

most times homemade food beats industrial preparation, legumes alone carry antioxidants, conservation products and emulsifiers among others, and a bunch of other additives (sugar, sequestering agents...) so they are fresh and edible  :pok:

But simply cooked legumes in jars with just water, salt, and possibly ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) are good to go.  :tu:

There are no "better" or "healthier" legumes, just different ones with different cooking times and digestibility. Some people get gassy eating pinto beans  :P, other finds lentils hard to eat and digest  :-\, other loathe the taste of chickpeas  :ahhh, etc. but all are good for the body, personal issues, allergies or preferences notwithstanding

The best thing, as usual with diet and food, is to have the biggest variety and rotate through different legumes to get all the different micronutrients and minerals present in ones and not in others  :salute:

well i'm in. and yes i drink pure black coffee without additions to it

good!  :cheers:
We have till next monday to make any necessary preparations, though it should be easy as is because you don't have to buy anything, as a matter of fact you tend to buy less after a while  :D

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Re: Fasting........
« Reply #66 on: July 09, 2018, 09:12:58 PM »
woooohoooo

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Re: Fasting........
« Reply #67 on: July 09, 2018, 10:13:10 PM »
Now that you brought them up... What are the healthiest legumes? :think:
And the healthiest way to prepare them? The ones that come cooked in cans from the shop? Or soaking and cooking dried legumes at home?
I buy tinned legumes because I can't be bothered soaking dry ones, although it would be a lot cheaper.
I put lentils in with pasta sauce (instead of mince), also can be used as the mince part of a shepherd's pie.
I put chickpeas in with (Indian) curries - chickpea and spinach is a good combo.
Have you tried felafel?

Zombie Apprentice Posts: 12,768 Hidalgo, Castillo del Hook
Re: Fasting........
« Reply #68 on: July 09, 2018, 10:53:14 PM »
Now that you brought them up... What are the healthiest legumes? :think:
And the healthiest way to prepare them? The ones that come cooked in cans from the shop? Or soaking and cooking dried legumes at home?
I buy tinned legumes because I can't be bothered soaking dry ones, although it would be a lot cheaper.
I put lentils in with pasta sauce (instead of mince), also can be used as the mince part of a shepherd's pie.
I put chickpeas in with (Indian) curries - chickpea and spinach is a good combo.
Have you tried felafel?
I haven’t tried that. :think:

My favourite are the marrowfat peas, I think. Big and slightly mushy-soft when cooked, seems to be compatible with lots of food.

And it’s nice how cheap dried legumes are. :D

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Re: Fasting........
« Reply #69 on: July 10, 2018, 09:47:49 AM »
Next time you get a kebab, try a falafel one.  :pok:

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Re: Fasting........
« Reply #70 on: July 10, 2018, 12:17:43 PM »
Well I'm in, obviously, but I'm working up to it in my usual way.

I prefer my coffee black and bitter......dark roast, but I started adding full cream to the first few....source of fat.

I could easily ditch the cream, but I do believe coffee counts as breaking the fast, at least that's what I seem to remember from docu.
That said, they might assume most people don't drink black & bitter.
Zombie Apprentice Posts: 13,865 Firm believer of Sturgeon's Law
Re: Fasting........
« Reply #71 on: July 10, 2018, 02:40:00 PM »
Well I'm in, obviously, but I'm working up to it in my usual way.

I prefer my coffee black and bitter......dark roast, but I started adding full cream to the first few....source of fat.

I could easily ditch the cream, but I do believe coffee counts as breaking the fast, at least that's what I seem to remember from docu.
That said, they might assume most people don't drink black & bitter.

I guess you added the cream to comply with LCHF procedures, but this is a different approach, even though if you consume coffee during the non-fasting hours you can still add cream, milk or others to it  :cheers:

strictly speaking, fasting is not a single concept, you can water-fast, liquid-fast- etc.  :ahhh but most people agree that fasting (and its benefits, effects, results and consequences) implies the lack of energy input (ie not consuming calories or consuming negligible amounts of them), and black coffee alone is like tea alone, merely "flavored water", that lacks calories if you add nothing else like sugar, milk, cream or else  :salute:

so in the scientist's and nutritionist's eyes (or most of) black coffee, plain, is like taking water, thus accepted in a fasting diet  :tu:

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Re: Fasting........
« Reply #72 on: July 10, 2018, 04:03:00 PM »
Well then that nicely eliminate my first problem.  :tu:

My second problem needs to be (mostly) eliminated anyway  :facepalm:

I found the part about the fasting mimicking diet fascinating.......eating without your stomach sending the signal to the brain.... 8)
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Re: Fasting........
« Reply #73 on: July 10, 2018, 04:08:38 PM »
And thus MTO turns in to a pro-ana forum...  :rofl:

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Zombie Apprentice Posts: 13,865 Firm believer of Sturgeon's Law
Re: Fasting........
« Reply #74 on: July 10, 2018, 06:45:28 PM »
And thus MTO turns in to a pro-ana forum...  :rofl:

I guess not, unless you do that yourself  ???

there are other places for that kind of talk

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Re: Fasting........
« Reply #75 on: July 10, 2018, 07:04:46 PM »
And thus MTO turns in to a pro-ana forum...  :rofl:

I guess not, unless you do that yourself  ???

there are other places for that kind of talk

Well, I was accused of being malnurished several times during highschool by my GP.  :facepalm:

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Zombie Apprentice Posts: 12,768 Hidalgo, Castillo del Hook
Re: Fasting........
« Reply #76 on: July 10, 2018, 07:31:45 PM »
And thus MTO turns in to a pro-ana forum...  :rofl:

I guess not, unless you do that yourself  ???

there are other places for that kind of talk

Well, I was accused of being malnurished several times during highschool by my GP.  :facepalm:
My Grandmother thinks I'm too skinny...

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Re: Fasting........
« Reply #77 on: July 10, 2018, 07:40:56 PM »
And thus MTO turns in to a pro-ana forum...  :rofl:

I guess not, unless you do that yourself  ???

there are other places for that kind of talk

Well, I was accused of being malnurished several times during highschool by my GP.  :facepalm:
My Grandmother thinks I'm too skinny...

Don't they all? My has this gesture where she sucks in her cheeks and repeatedli pokes them with her index fingers. I suppose it is suposed to mean that I have sunken cheeks from being too thin...  :facepalm: :rofl:
« Last Edit: July 10, 2018, 07:59:13 PM by lister »

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Zombie Apprentice Posts: 12,768 Hidalgo, Castillo del Hook
Re: Fasting........
« Reply #78 on: July 10, 2018, 08:12:36 PM »
And thus MTO turns in to a pro-ana forum...  :rofl:

I guess not, unless you do that yourself  ???

there are other places for that kind of talk

Well, I was accused of being malnurished several times during highschool by my GP.  :facepalm:
My Grandmother thinks I'm too skinny...

Don't they all? My has this gesture where she sucks in her cheeks and repeatedli pokes them with her index fingers. I suppose it is suposed to mean that I have sunken cheeks from being too thin...  :facepalm: :rofl:
:rofl:

I mean, I’m not skinny! I just have weak muscles.  :facepalm: ::)

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Re: Fasting........
« Reply #79 on: July 10, 2018, 08:29:34 PM »
that's an easy fix

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Re: Fasting........
« Reply #80 on: July 10, 2018, 08:54:46 PM »
that's an easy fix

DEADLIFTS!!!!!!!!


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Re: Fasting........
« Reply #81 on: July 11, 2018, 08:01:29 AM »
I weighed as much as 2 or 3 people during most of my life.......would like to come down to the weight of just one really big human  :rofl:

My mother is a feeder....... :facepalm:
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Re: Fasting........
« Reply #82 on: July 11, 2018, 01:19:24 PM »
I have lost about 7-8 kg over the last 9 months or so from just cutting back a bit on sugar and carbs.

Zombie Apprentice Posts: 12,768 Hidalgo, Castillo del Hook
Re: Fasting........
« Reply #83 on: July 11, 2018, 02:04:00 PM »
I weighed as much as 2 or 3 people during most of my life.......would like to come down to the weight of just one really big human  :rofl:

My mother is a feeder....... :facepalm:
I think of you as a tall guy... Am I accurate?  :think:

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Re: Fasting........
« Reply #84 on: July 11, 2018, 03:10:48 PM »
I think of you as a tall guy... Am I accurate?  :think:

1.95m
I would say big rather than tall, considering bone structure.

IMO I looked liked a scaled up "normal" person rather than tall.....if that makes sense  :rofl:
Zombie Apprentice Posts: 12,768 Hidalgo, Castillo del Hook
Re: Fasting........
« Reply #85 on: July 11, 2018, 03:21:40 PM »
I think of you as a tall guy... Am I accurate?  :think:

1.95m
I would say big rather than tall, considering bone structure.

IMO I looked liked a scaled up "normal" person rather than tall.....if that makes sense  :rofl:
Yup it does.... :tu: a healthy weight for you is overweight for a short person?
« Last Edit: July 11, 2018, 03:23:13 PM by Don Pablo »

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Re: Fasting........
« Reply #86 on: July 11, 2018, 03:35:56 PM »
I think of you as a tall guy... Am I accurate?  :think:

1.95m
I would say big rather than tall, considering bone structure.

IMO I looked liked a scaled up "normal" person rather than tall.....if that makes sense  :rofl:
Yup it does.... :tu: a healthy weight for you is overweight for a short person?

...obviously?  ???
And if he were 2.30m, then even more.
If he were 1.50 m, then the opposite

That's exactly what BMI is for   :pok:

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Re: Fasting........
« Reply #87 on: July 11, 2018, 03:54:07 PM »
I think of you as a tall guy... Am I accurate?  :think:

1.95m
I would say big rather than tall, considering bone structure.

IMO I looked liked a scaled up "normal" person rather than tall.....if that makes sense  :rofl:
Yup it does.... :tu: a healthy weight for you is overweight for a short person?

...obviously?  ???
And if he were 2.30m, then even more.
If he were 1.50 m, then the opposite

That's exactly what BMI is for   :pok:
I know that, but I wasn’t sure how to write it.  :think: :tu:

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Re: Fasting........
« Reply #88 on: July 11, 2018, 04:01:52 PM »
Problem is currently I'm 133kg, so I know I can drop 30kg's and feel much better......

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Re: Fasting........
« Reply #89 on: July 11, 2018, 04:11:46 PM »
Problem is currently I'm 133kg, so I know I can drop 30kg's and feel much better......


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