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Westerns. Wayne, Eastwood...or just the knives 720

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Re: Westerns. Wayne, Eastwood...or just the knives
« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2019, 03:17:25 PM »
Here are 2 Western Scout style knives, The top one is the knife I carried the most when I was growing up. I was amazed by the extra tools on it. (I had no idea Swiss Army knives existed...in fact, I never saw a real Swiss Army knife until I was in my 30's and the first one I saw was a Champion and I bought it on the spot.)

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Re: Westerns. Wayne, Eastwood...or just the knives
« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2019, 03:20:07 PM »
This Western is the one my dad carried when he was in the US Army Timberwolf Division in WWII....it is my most prized knife and probably the reason I came to love Western knives.

The knife is stamped West...Cut Boulder, Colo.

The sheath is stamped Western States Cut. & Mfg. Co. Boulder, Colo. and has an image of a cowboy on a bucking bronco on it.

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Lovely knife Vicman  :like:
Westerns were very popular during the war as I understand it.
I don’t have one yet but hoping to get an L77 for my WW2 collection at some point.
« Last Edit: January 09, 2019, 03:21:17 PM by sak60 »

Andrew
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Re: Westerns. Wayne, Eastwood...or just the knives
« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2019, 03:26:41 PM »

Lovely knife Vicman  :like:
Westerns were very popular during the war as I understand it.
I don’t have one yet but hoping to get an L77 for my WW2 collection at some point.

Thanks sak60! :cheers:

Hope you find an L77! :D
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Re: Westerns. Wayne, Eastwood...or just the knives
« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2019, 10:49:19 PM »
Have a few Westerns including a display of reject blades I bought many years ago intending to try and repair. Decided to display them as is.
Western 521F
Western 522F
Western S521
WesternS532
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Re: Westerns. Wayne, Eastwood...or just the knives
« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2019, 10:52:24 PM »
Page two:
Western S532
Westaco folding hunter
Western 062 folding hunter
Western harness jack
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Re: Westerns. Wayne, Eastwood...or just the knives
« Reply #35 on: January 09, 2019, 11:03:40 PM »
Page three:
Western hatchet with F28 and F48 fixed blades.
Western 75 boot knife.
Western F28 with sheath.
Western scout/utility.
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Re: Westerns. Wayne, Eastwood...or just the knives
« Reply #36 on: January 09, 2019, 11:07:54 PM »
Page four:
Western W-49 Bowie
WesternW764fillet knife
Western W766 fillet knife
Western S244 mini stockman
« Last Edit: January 09, 2019, 11:12:02 PM by Ray S »
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Re: Westerns. Wayne, Eastwood...or just the knives
« Reply #37 on: January 09, 2019, 11:14:50 PM »
Page five:
First pic is the Western W764 fillet knife that I tried to add to the previous post.
Next three pics are of a bunch of Western folding and fixed blade knives that were rejected mostly due to incorrect grinding or bad forging.
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Re: Westerns. Wayne, Eastwood...or just the knives
« Reply #39 on: January 09, 2019, 11:29:16 PM »
Nice pics Ray! :like: :tu: :tu:
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Re: Westerns. Wayne, Eastwood...or just the knives
« Reply #40 on: January 09, 2019, 11:44:07 PM »
I used this Western Bowie for camping.  It was a great camp knife and the sheath is designed so that once the leg straps are tied to your leg it swivels so you can sit without the knife being in the way.

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Vicman, I remember looking at the 49's is those old displays. I dont know why I never bought one. They'd make a good camp knife!

This Western is the one my dad carried when he was in the US Army Timberwolf Division in WWII....it is my most prized knife and probably the reason I came to love Western knives.

The knife is stamped West...Cut Boulder, Colo.

The sheath is stamped Western States Cut. & Mfg. Co. Boulder, Colo. and has an image of a cowboy on a bucking bronco on it.

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 8)    :tu:      :like:   

What? Enablers! Are you serrrrious? Where? I dont see any.

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Re: Westerns. Wayne, Eastwood...or just the knives
« Reply #41 on: January 09, 2019, 11:51:51 PM »
Lots of good Westerns Ray!    :like:

What? Enablers! Are you serrrrious? Where? I dont see any.

Hold Fast
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Re: Westerns. Wayne, Eastwood...or just the knives
« Reply #42 on: January 10, 2019, 11:32:44 AM »


Vicman, I remember looking at the 49's is those old displays. I dont know why I never bought one. They'd make a good camp knife!

This Western is the one my dad carried when he was in the US Army Timberwolf Division in WWII....it is my most prized knife and probably the reason I came to love Western knives.



 8)    :tu:      :like:

The 49's always drew my attention too when I would see the old displays. :D

Thanks for the like on my dad's West...Cut! :cheers:
« Last Edit: January 10, 2019, 11:33:46 AM by VICMAN »
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Re: Westerns. Wayne, Eastwood...or just the knives
« Reply #43 on: January 10, 2019, 03:09:06 PM »
Here are some more of my Western knives

I was particularly fond of the yellow handled fishing knife when I was growing up...it cleaned a lot of fish. :D In  the picture it looks like the scaler blade has stains on it...that is just reflections in the blade...both blades are in perfect shape.

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« Last Edit: January 10, 2019, 03:24:12 PM by VICMAN »
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Re: Westerns. Wayne, Eastwood...or just the knives
« Reply #44 on: January 10, 2019, 03:10:39 PM »
And here are a few more Westerns

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Re: Westerns. Wayne, Eastwood...or just the knives
« Reply #45 on: January 11, 2019, 05:45:57 PM »
That's a nice Western TB. The sheaths are more difficult to obtain than the knife.

Congrats.

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Re: Westerns. Wayne, Eastwood...or just the knives
« Reply #46 on: January 12, 2019, 06:13:30 AM »
That's a nice Western TB. The sheaths are more difficult to obtain than the knife.

Congrats.

Thanks TG. This sheath seems in pretty good shape. Honestly the Western was just "my date's sister." It came as a pair with the similarly aged Buck 110 (both 1978) that I wanted and the seller would not separate them.

After handling it, I have become a fan.
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Re: Westerns. Wayne, Eastwood...or just the knives
« Reply #47 on: January 12, 2019, 03:32:12 PM »
It's a very cool pattern which was created perhaps almost a century ago.Almost every knife manufacturer made it.

I've been fortunate to have collected about 5-6 from various makers.I'll have to get some pictures later today.Case still makes it and I believe I have about 15 of those.Most makers also made a single blade version and Case even made a locking variation.I'll post some of those later.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."  **Edmund Burke**

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."    **Benjamin Franklin**
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Re: Westerns. Wayne, Eastwood...or just the knives
« Reply #48 on: January 12, 2019, 03:37:48 PM »
It makes sense that Case would have also made this pattern, since the maker of Western had married into the Case family. What's the Case one of these called?

Saw another of these for sale locally with a blade on one end and saw on the other, for about $100. Slightly different pattern, though.
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Re: Westerns. Wayne, Eastwood...or just the knives
« Reply #49 on: January 12, 2019, 05:48:41 PM »
It makes sense that Case would have also made this pattern, since the maker of Western had married into the Case family. What's the Case one of these called?

Saw another of these for sale locally with a blade on one end and saw on the other, for about $100. Slightly different pattern, though.

The Case model number would depend on the material used for the scales.For instance a standard wood scale model would be a 6265,with Stag it would be 5265.The last numbers would remain the same,that is,65.

If it's a single blade model it would be a 6165.

Here are two of other makers.

The first one is a Buck 317 that was made by Camillus for Buck.

The second is made by Queen and features D2 steel.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."  **Edmund Burke**

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."    **Benjamin Franklin**
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Re: Westerns. Wayne, Eastwood...or just the knives
« Reply #50 on: January 12, 2019, 08:04:41 PM »


Here are two of other makers.

The first one is a Buck 317 that was made by Camillus for Buck.

The second is made by Queen and features D2 steel.

Nice knives toolguy! :like: :tu: :tu:

I always liked the pocket knives that Camillus made for Buck. They were great EDC knives. :cheers:
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Re: Westerns. Wayne, Eastwood...or just the knives
« Reply #51 on: January 12, 2019, 08:41:39 PM »
It makes sense that Case would have also made this pattern, since the maker of Western had married into the Case family. What's the Case one of these called?

Saw another of these for sale locally with a blade on one end and saw on the other, for about $100. Slightly different pattern, though.

The Case model number would depend on the material used for the scales.For instance a standard wood scale model would be a 6265,with Stag it would be 5265.The last numbers would remain the same,that is,65.

If it's a single blade model it would be a 6165.

Here are two of other makers.

The first one is a Buck 317 that was made by Camillus for Buck.

The second is made by Queen and features D2 steel.

Good info, TG. May we see them open to compare the blade shape.

I have to admit, mine does not seem particularly sharp. I should be able to make it so, but it doesn't seem like it was abused either.
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Re: Westerns. Wayne, Eastwood...or just the knives
« Reply #52 on: January 13, 2019, 04:09:57 PM »
Good info, TG. May we see them open to compare the blade shape.

I have to admit, mine does not seem particularly sharp. I should be able to make it so, but it doesn't seem like it was abused either.
Here are the blade profiles.As can be seen the,Buck 317 has two blades both of which have flat grinds.The Queen on the other hand,has a sabre grind on the main blade with a flat grind on the skinning blade.

These are the profiles that most manufactures follow.Some makers have both blades that have flat grinds and some makers have a combination of sabre grind and flat grind with the skinning blade always having a flat grind.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2019, 04:11:30 PM by toolguy »

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."  **Edmund Burke**

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."    **Benjamin Franklin**
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Re: Westerns. Wayne, Eastwood...or just the knives
« Reply #53 on: January 13, 2019, 07:24:45 PM »
Good info, TG. May we see them open to compare the blade shape.

I have to admit, mine does not seem particularly sharp. I should be able to make it so, but it doesn't seem like it was abused either.
Here are the blade profiles.As can be seen the,Buck 317 has two blades both of which have flat grinds.The Queen on the other hand,has a sabre grind on the main blade with a flat grind on the skinning blade.

These are the profiles that most manufactures follow.Some makers have both blades that have flat grinds and some makers have a combination of sabre grind and flat grind with the skinning blade always having a flat grind.

Nice examples, TG.

Looking at the bevels on both blades of this Western 062, they are very slim and difficult to see. They seem to have been sharpened more like Vic Swiss Army Knives 20 degees and less so a Buck Hunter 25 degree. Does that seem righ?
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Re: Westerns. Wayne, Eastwood...or just the knives
« Reply #54 on: January 13, 2019, 08:00:19 PM »
I view it this way.The main blade will do all of the tough work.Eviscerating the animal,cutting through muscle,tendons and breaking down joints.I usually put a 30* angle on the main blade,especially if it's a sabre grind.I put a more shallow angle such as 20* on the skinning blade,as its only chore is separating the hide from the carcass.

The top two pictures are the Camillus #26 Hunter.Even though Camillus made the 317 Hunter for Buck,their own version the #26,featured a sabre grind on its main blade as apposed to the flat grind for the Buck.

The bottom two pictures are the Schrade model 227UH,under the Uncle Henry brand.As can be seen,both blades feature flat grinds.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."  **Edmund Burke**

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."    **Benjamin Franklin**
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Re: Westerns. Wayne, Eastwood...or just the knives
« Reply #55 on: January 13, 2019, 10:44:16 PM »

Here are the blade profiles.

Nice pics toolguy! :like: :tu: :tu:
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Re: Westerns. Wayne, Eastwood...or just the knives
« Reply #56 on: January 13, 2019, 10:46:57 PM »


The top two pictures are the Camillus #26 Hunter.Even though Camillus made the 317 Hunter for Buck,their own version the #26,featured a sabre grind on its main blade as apposed to the flat grind for the Buck.

The bottom two pictures are the Schrade model 227UH,under the Uncle Henry brand.As can be seen,both blades feature flat grinds.

Great pics toolguy! :like: :tu: :tu:

I used to have a Schrade 227UH and I regret trading it off. :(
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Re: Westerns. Wayne, Eastwood...or just the knives
« Reply #57 on: January 14, 2019, 01:27:58 AM »

Great pics toolguy! :like: :tu: :tu:

I used to have a Schrade 227UH and I regret trading it off. :(

Thanks.

You can still find these NIB on ebay for around $50.00

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."  **Edmund Burke**

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."    **Benjamin Franklin**
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Re: Westerns. Wayne, Eastwood...or just the knives
« Reply #58 on: January 14, 2019, 12:28:05 PM »

Great pics toolguy! :like: :tu: :tu:

I used to have a Schrade 227UH and I regret trading it off. :(

Thanks.

You can still find these NIB on ebay for around $50.00

Thanks for the info! :cheers:
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Re: Westerns. Wayne, Eastwood...or just the knives
« Reply #59 on: January 14, 2019, 07:34:46 PM »
Western 901 Camper

What? Enablers! Are you serrrrious? Where? I dont see any.

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