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Victorinox Bladeless models are out

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Re: Victorinox Bladeless models are out
Reply #60 on: July 25, 2025, 01:06:12 AM
Remember the 9-11 hijacks were done with 'box cutters.'
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That will never happen again, but it has nothing to do with box cutters and small knives being banned from planes.

It is because there was a paradigm shift on 9/11.

Pre 9/11 paradigm:  Don’t resist the hijackers.  They most likely want money, certain prisoners released, a flight to a non-extradition treaty country, or some combination thereof.  Play for time, try to get the plane on the ground, etc.

Post 9/11 paradigm:  Be willing to fight to the death to prevent hijackers from gaining control of the aircraft, because if they do, they will likely try fly it into a building somewhere, killing not only everyone on board but people on the ground as well.





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Re: Victorinox Bladeless models are out
Reply #61 on: July 25, 2025, 02:04:11 AM
These SAKs will be great for Australia where no blades are allowed, also for schools, teachers, government buildings etc.

I hope so... I'm never 100% sure what is allowed in Victoria and what is not.  :dunno:

I reckon an officer with a sense of humour failure could consider the package opener to be a short blade, given the cutting edge. The scissors too, when you open them as wide as possible.

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Reply #62 on: July 25, 2025, 11:09:45 AM
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Re: Victorinox Bladeless models are out
Reply #63 on: July 25, 2025, 12:17:22 PM
@CBL - I gotta disagree

Of course I am not happy about certain knife laws, and Oz is worse than the UK, whose laws, if you accept you will restrict usage, are pretty good, ie you can carry a regular SAK

However Victorinox have seen a market opportunity and have responded to it. I say well done, and good luck to them and this new range.

What fascinates me is that they went for Alox for the bladeless range. I would have thought it would be the 91mms that went forward on this. So will be interesting to see how that pans out.

These SAKs will be great for Australia where no blades are allowed, also for schools, teachers, government buildings etc.

I still don’t think any will be ok on airlines as screwdrivers and scissors can be confiscated by some authorities
John Gadget gives a slightly more positive summary of that at the end of his video.

PS. I will take your ‘unarmed and pacifist’ comment re the UK - which also applies to Oz - as a compliment ;)  :)

Re: the alox range for bladeless models:

My guess is they did these, at least initially, because it required no significant change in any tooling and design. The only thing they had to make special is a larger pivot hole in the package opener, and the scissors now have the nail nick on the proper side. Using alox is the “easy button” to get a bladeless model.

With 91mm, the blade layer always contains either  the corkscrew or Philips driver. You can’t just delete that layer without requiring a new scale and new liner without those cutouts. Or more development to swap the large and small blades with something else.

As an aside, the minimal development of the alox models is reflected in the lack of the keyring (which I personally prefer).  The keyring nub is part of the spacer by the awl on the blade layer. It would’ve required more development and changes to put it back somewhere else.


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Re: Victorinox Bladeless models are out
Reply #64 on: July 25, 2025, 01:33:18 PM
^^^ Good thinking Batman

Makes sense - Although not in how long it took them to bring these out!. Been over a year since they said they were doing this.
Maybe it took that long to think up the names  :rofl:


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Reply #65 on: July 25, 2025, 01:37:51 PM
^^^ Good thinking Batman

Makes sense - Although not in how long it took them to bring these out!. Been over a year since they said they were doing this.
Maybe it took that long to think up the names  :rofl:

Ha, yeah, I can just picture the engineers all sitting around drumming their fingers while the marketing team brainstorm names for a year.

"Come on guys, we had the tools designed in like, 5 minutes..."

Though, JG has hinted there are more coming.  Maybe that's where we will see some truly new stuff.


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Re: Victorinox Bladeless models are out
Reply #66 on: July 25, 2025, 04:35:20 PM
I just rewatched last night Texas Tool Crib’s video about the custom 84mm made for him by Fit2Survive. Has the electrician and pruner blade, cap lifter,  scissors, awl, and main blade.  He calls it the Companion! We can call our customs whatever we want but now we’ve got 2 reuses of the companion name. 

I like the F2S  for TTC companion better… at least it’s a better companion knife for me than the official Vic release.


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Re: Victorinox Bladeless models are out
Reply #67 on: July 27, 2025, 02:28:44 PM
I'd absolutely love a Pioneer or Farmer in that gold color.


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Re: Victorinox Bladeless models are out
Reply #68 on: July 27, 2025, 02:53:49 PM
I'd absolutely love a Pioneer or Farmer in that gold color.

For ROYAL BLUE is my first choice in ALOX!

ORANGE is a good 2nd also!

The Gold and  Red does look striking 😉 .  Just not get my heart to flutter, however!  :dunno:
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Re: Victorinox Bladeless models are out
Reply #69 on: July 27, 2025, 08:15:08 PM
That will never happen again, but it has nothing to do with box cutters and small knives being banned from planes.

It is because there was a paradigm shift on 9/11.

Pre 9/11 paradigm:  Don’t resist the hijackers.  They most likely want money, certain prisoners released, a flight to a non-extradition treaty country, or some combination thereof.  Play for time, try to get the plane on the ground, etc.

Post 9/11 paradigm:  Be willing to fight to the death to prevent hijackers from gaining control of the aircraft, because if they do, they will likely try fly it into a building somewhere, killing not only everyone on board but people on the ground as well.
Now I’m curious what it would take to get into a cockpit and take back control but I don’t want to ask and get my precheck taken away lol


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Re: Victorinox Bladeless models are out
Reply #70 on: July 27, 2025, 08:56:13 PM
It appears tactics have changed!

Flight crew causing disasters, latest was India flight. Fuel switches turned off.  (Possible example)

If I start and end the day above ground, it is a good day!

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Re: Victorinox Bladeless models are out
Reply #71 on: July 27, 2025, 09:59:40 PM
Why they haven't seen sense and made an alox rambler is beyond me

Could probably charge close to the minichamp and still made a bundle


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Re: Victorinox Bladeless models are out
Reply #72 on: July 28, 2025, 01:48:40 AM
Why they haven't seen sense and made an alox rambler is beyond me

Could probably charge close to the minichamp and still made a bundle

 :iagree:

And unlike a lot of the other popular requests (I.e, a cadet X), an alox rambler requires no new tooling. Heck, they’ve made them before. C’mon, Vic :pok:


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Re: Victorinox Bladeless models are out
Reply #73 on: July 28, 2025, 02:20:53 AM
The one I want to see is the Alox (and Cellidor) regular Vagabond !!    :pok:    :tu:

... As well as the Alox Rambler of course  ;)

And while we are at it: Why not make the annual Alox 58mm model the Rambler?  .....  :pok:
We awlready have 10 choices of Alox colours for the Classic - As well as many other colour and scale options -
So why is the Classic part of the annual Alox colours?   :think:
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Reply #74 on: July 28, 2025, 11:36:04 AM
A Vagabond would be cool. I also don't understand why they bought wenger and then not explore the tools in the 65mm range. The pocket tool chest would be a great addition


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Re: Victorinox Bladeless models are out
Reply #75 on: July 28, 2025, 01:38:52 PM
I also don't understand why they bought wenger and then not explore the tools in the 65mm range.
It’s my belief that the main reason Vic bought Wenger was to keep Wenger’s IP from falling into the hands of someone who would start having Wengers cheaply made in China.

This happened with a number of once proud US brands, including Queen, Schrade, etc.  Having it happen to Wenger would have ultimately damaged Vic’s brand as well, not to mention Swiss national pride…


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Re: Victorinox Bladeless models are out
Reply #76 on: July 28, 2025, 02:12:23 PM
If I wanted a 58mm Vic without blade, it would be a modified Rambler. I would grind the screwdriver of the nail file into a nail cleaner and convert the blade into a screwdriver/mini prybar. Now that I think about it: In combination with a Spyderco UKPK, this is the perfect combo in Germany. Simply leave your UKPK at home in no-go zones or transport it in a locked container. The modified Rambler can always be with you. :facepalm:


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Re: Victorinox Bladeless models are out
Reply #77 on: July 28, 2025, 02:35:45 PM
Even easier: Leave the file as is, remove the cutting edge and make a nail cleaner out of the blade.


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Re: Victorinox Bladeless models are out
Reply #78 on: August 06, 2025, 04:58:51 AM
Going to be grumpy again   :pok:    >:D    :rant:

Went onto the Vic website and a pop up appeared inviting me to check out the new Companions  ..... So I did ... again!   ;)

Not once do they mention that these models are bladeless - And can be great in situations/places/workplaces where blades are not allowed!!    :think:   Are Victorinox, as a knife making company, denying that fact that they are making bladeless tools?    ???     :dunno:

I really wish they'd just describe their SAKs for what they are -
Especially the Alox Companions  - The whole point of this family is bladeless ..... So why not promote and celebrate it  !!!   ???


And their blurb on the website for the Companion  X is very annoying ..... and even contradictory :pok:
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Compact Multifunctionality
Precision for everyday cuts
With 1 function
Swiss made

Discover an everyday companion that is ready to help you in all kinds of cutting tasks. Pocket-sized and streamlined, the Companion X Alox is the perfect assistant for a productive day in the office or a creative day at home. Combining Swiss made precision with smart and iconic design, the Companion X Alox is a result of the Victorinox vision to make your everyday life easier with style.
If it has one function - How can it help with all kinds of cutting tasks.   :dunno:


Why not something like:
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The Companion X contains a single tool - Victorinox's world renowned, precision engineered, highly effective and most loved scissors, so you will always have a pair of scissors to hand, when you need them at home, at school, or in the office. This model is particularly useful in environments where blades are not permitted.

And most descriptions on their website are equally misleading / bu11sh1tty !  .....
Their web designers and marketing department really are bad    :(
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Reply #79 on: August 06, 2025, 08:49:32 AM
It’s my belief that the main reason Vic bought Wenger was to keep Wenger’s IP from falling into the hands of someone who would start having Wengers cheaply made in China.

This happened with a number of once proud US brands, including Queen, Schrade, etc.  Having it happen to Wenger would have ultimately damaged Vic’s brand as well, not to mention Swiss national pride…

So they bought it to destroy the brand, that's very sad


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Reply #80 on: August 06, 2025, 08:51:22 AM
I just rewatched last night Texas Tool Crib’s video about the custom 84mm made for him by Fit2Survive. Has the electrician and pruner blade, cap lifter,  scissors, awl, and main blade.  He calls it the Companion! We can call our customs whatever we want but now we’ve got 2 reuses of the companion name. 

I like the F2S  for TTC companion better… at least it’s a better companion knife for me than the official Vic release.

I was looking at the 58's thinking I'd like a rambler with seated bade and a little saw blade but at 200 as a starting point I might try making one myself


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Re: Victorinox Bladeless models are out
Reply #81 on: August 06, 2025, 12:08:22 PM
@CBL - I gotta disagree

Of course I am not happy about certain knife laws, and Oz is worse than the UK, whose laws, if you accept you will restrict usage, are pretty good, ie you can carry a regular SAK

However Victorinox have seen a market opportunity and have responded to it. I say well done, and good luck to them and this new range.

What fascinates me is that they went for Alox for the bladeless range. I would have thought it would be the 91mms that went forward on this. So will be interesting to see how that pans out.

These SAKs will be great for Australia where no blades are allowed, also for schools, teachers, government buildings etc.

I still don’t think any will be ok on airlines as screwdrivers and scissors can be confiscated by some authorities
John Gadget gives a slightly more positive summary of that at the end of his video.

PS. I will take your ‘unarmed and pacifist’ comment re the UK - which also applies to Oz - as a compliment ;)  :)

I totally agree,

As far and this new bladeless collection goes my guess would be Victorinox didn’t have to make or develop anything extra to make these knives. They are all existing parts though the hole in the Package Opener would have had to been enlarged a little. If they made the equivalent knives in 91mm they would need to develop new scales and liners to omit the corkscrew. They would also have had to make new springs to omit the awl and parcel hook. Quite a big undertaking and I also think they really seem to stay away from tools that aren’t standardized across the board.


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Re: Victorinox Bladeless models are out
Reply #82 on: August 06, 2025, 02:53:06 PM
So they bought it to destroy the brand, that's very sad

I don't think you can say that - I heard the same story as Nate above.
..... And especially when you consider they let Wenger run themselves pretty much independently for 8 years

But I also heard that the general public were confused about the two Swiss Army Knife brands - eg thought one was a fake etc etc
Also it did not make sense to have so many SAK families/ranges (ie sizes)
I know this is sacrilege - especially here - But I would have done away with the Vic 84mm range and kept the Delemont 85mms - Bye bye Cadet  :o  :o  - Or merged them in some way - eg An 85mm cadet w scissors!!

And I think the 130mm range is still going strong - As are the Wenger watches and luggage .... I think - did not check
Also I understand no one from Wenger was laid off ...

But I do wish they had kept some of the amazing Wenger innovations - I always loved the colourful Evogrip, and the RealTree camo, scales - Also some of their whacky tools/models were amazing - eg The Minathor - But I guess not great sellers


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Re: Victorinox Bladeless models are out
Reply #83 on: August 06, 2025, 10:59:17 PM
I don't think you can say that - I heard the same story as Nate above.
..... And especially when you consider they let Wenger run themselves pretty much independently for 8 years

If they bought the company to be able say they are the only Swiss army knife makers out there and consigned the better Wenger designs to the bin I feel I can say it with fair justification.

They may well have let them keep running but I don't recall them offering much encouragement or support to do so



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Re: Victorinox Bladeless models are out
Reply #84 on: August 07, 2025, 12:32:25 AM
Hmmmm - OK - We'll need to agree to disagree - No one knows what goes on behind closed doors !


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Reply #85 on: August 07, 2025, 12:36:17 AM
If they bought the company to be able say they are the only Swiss army knife makers out there and consigned the better Wenger designs to the bin I feel I can say it with fair justification.

They may well have let them keep running but I don't recall them offering much encouragement or support to do so

Keep in mind that Wenger was bankrupt (or very nearly so) when Vic bought them in 2005.  The company was going to be sold to someone, so Vic stepped in and bought it.


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Reply #86 on: August 07, 2025, 01:30:02 AM
Keep in mind that Wenger was bankrupt (or very nearly so) when Vic bought them in 2005.  The company was going to be sold to someone, so Vic stepped in and bought it.

 :iagree:


The story at the time was Wenger was close to closing up shop, so Vic bought them. Then, in what I would call “offering much encouragement and support,” they decided to retain the Delemont factory, retain all the Wenger employees, and keep producing knives under the Wenger brand for 8 years. Then, even after retiring the Wenger brand, they still, to this day, produce an entirely separate tool line in an entirely different canton. 

That’s certainly a very long lived and expensive way to “destroy the brand.” Vic truly is a monster! ;)
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Re: Victorinox Bladeless models are out
Reply #87 on: August 08, 2025, 11:49:26 AM
I don't think you can say that - I heard the same story as Nate above.
..... And especially when you consider they let Wenger run themselves pretty much independently for 8 years

But I also heard that the general public were confused about the two Swiss Army Knife brands - eg thought one was a fake etc etc
Also it did not make sense to have so many SAK families/ranges (ie sizes)
I know this is sacrilege - especially here - But I would have done away with the Vic 84mm range and kept the Delemont 85mms - Bye bye Cadet  :o  :o  - Or merged them in some way - eg An 85mm cadet w scissors!!

And I think the 130mm range is still going strong - As are the Wenger watches and luggage .... I think - did not check
Also I understand no one from Wenger was laid off ...

But I do wish they had kept some of the amazing Wenger innovations - I always loved the colourful Evogrip, and the RealTree camo, scales - Also some of their whacky tools/models were amazing - eg The Minathor - But I guess not great sellers
I wish they'd use the locking bottle opener/screwdriver. It's the best innovation, IMHO.

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Re: Victorinox Bladeless models are out
Reply #88 on: August 14, 2025, 03:58:07 PM
Got my 3 bladed one in silver alox, quite interesting, the package opener is very handy indeed. I would like to see it in New version of the Pioneer X.  Going to get the fully bladed 91 mms in regular red next. Due to inflation I save quarters and use them for new purchases.


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Re: Victorinox Bladeless models are out
Reply #89 on: September 16, 2025, 05:15:38 PM
Well they finally corrected the alleged 94mm on the Victorinox website to be 93mm
- I've been checking sporadically - It took them a while


 

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