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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #450 on: December 08, 2019, 06:04:19 PM
Hi Ivo,

DAK 93 with DE-GM (Deutschland-GebrauchsMuster) on the left ricasso was provided in the period 1994 - 2010 under the name DAK 1993. (NSN 7340-17-106-2332).
In 2006, Victorinox stopped with the DE-GM stamp (a "lighter form of patent” - according to Victorinox - and this had expired). The knives made after 2006 therefore no longer have a DE-GM stamp.

(By the way: I have 10 different DAK93 knives)

Can we see pictures of the 10 versions ?
The Vikings say "when your battle axe is to short do one step forward"


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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #451 on: December 08, 2019, 06:13:05 PM
My KL86 and KL87 have "VICTORINOX" stamped also the once after these years but the once before had "Victorinox" so it's the other way around as you told Agamemnon  :hatsoff:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #452 on: December 09, 2019, 03:57:24 AM
Hi Ivo,

Looking at the KL87: The stamp on these knives was "VICTORINOX". In 1986/87 the stamp was changed to "Victorinox".
The standard 93 mm blades are used for assembly. The old stock is first used up and then switched to the new one. As a result, both types of stamps can be found on the 1987 knives: "VICTORINOX" (old) and "Victorinox" (new).
This is also the case with the KM87 knives

My KL is a '91 and has the big V VSSR stamp. My KM (all of these were '87's as I understand it) has the small V VSSR stamp. 







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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #453 on: December 09, 2019, 09:02:19 AM
My KL 85, 86, 90 & 92:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #454 on: December 09, 2019, 11:27:55 AM
Very nice  :tu: :like:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #455 on: December 09, 2019, 11:28:17 AM
My KL is a '91 and has the big V VSSR stamp. My KM (all of these were '87's as I understand it) has the small V VSSR stamp. 

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Nice  :like: :tu:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #456 on: December 09, 2019, 02:21:53 PM
My KL is a '91 and has the big V VSSR stamp. My KM (all of these were '87's as I understand it) has the small V VSSR stamp. 

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Oh boy, those are so nice!  :drool:


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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #457 on: December 09, 2019, 02:22:52 PM
My KL 85, 86, 90 & 92:
Nice collection there  :like:


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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #458 on: December 09, 2019, 03:17:04 PM
Oh boy, those are so nice!  :drool:

Thank you Ray!


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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #459 on: December 09, 2019, 03:49:05 PM
My KL is a '91 and has the big V VSSR stamp. My KM (all of these were '87's as I understand it) has the small V VSSR stamp. 

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Ooooh you got a KM  :drool: :drool: :drool: very nice  :drool: :drool: :drool:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #460 on: December 09, 2019, 08:26:37 PM
As requested my DAK's 93

1a, 1b) In 1992 the Dutch army was looking for a replacement for the obsolete Pioneer model. A Victorinox Centurion with ‘slide-lock’ was tested as the “KL92”. (Green scale – Patent pending, Black scale – patented).
We choose Model 1992 as DAK1993 (liner lock)
 
2) Presentation knife – black scale, gold coloured logo
 
3) Unissued DAK 93 including pouch (model Alice Clip).
 
4) DAK 93 with DE-GM 9305297 - Stamp: Victorinox / SWITZERLAND / STAINLESS.
 
5) DAK 1993 with DE-GM 9305297 – Stamp Victorinox/ SWITZERLAND / STAINLESS. With toothpick and tweezers
 
6) DAK 1993 with DE-GM 9305297 – Stamp - Victorinox / SWITZERLAND.
 
7) In the United Kingdom, just like in Germany, it is absolutely forbidden to have lockable knives. The "liner lock" has therefore been removed for Dutch soldiers stationed in the UK.
 
8) DAK 93 with DE-GM 9305297 – Stamp: Victorinox / switzerland.
 
 9a, 9b) At a given moment the first DAK’s were used up, the armed forces were temporarily provided with a black of green Centurion civilian version (with tweezers and toothpick). Stamp: DE-GM 9305297 - Victorinox / SWITZERLAND / STAINLESS. (Black variant: issued KMA (Royal Military Academy) Breda, ca. 2007; Green variant: issued KMS (Royal Military School) Ermelo, ca. 2005/06)
 
10) DAK 93 without DE-GM 9305297 Stamp: Victorinox / SWITZERLAND / STAINLESS / ROSTFREI
 
11) DAK 93 without DE-GM 9305297 Stamp: Victorinox/SWISS MADE/STAINLESS. Liners marked “Liner lock”.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #461 on: December 09, 2019, 08:28:04 PM
part 2
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #462 on: December 09, 2019, 08:31:10 PM
part 3

Have a look - there is a difference in the size of the fonts
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #463 on: December 09, 2019, 08:37:11 PM
Great collection!  :like: :cheers:


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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #464 on: December 09, 2019, 10:45:08 PM
Ooooh you got a KM  :drool: :drool: :drool: very nice  :drool: :drool: :drool:

Thanks Ivo!


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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #465 on: December 09, 2019, 10:47:52 PM
Agamemnon,

Very cool collection.  Thank you for sharing it and for explaining the myriad tiny differences.  Great resource for anyone else wanting to follow

Myron


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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #466 on: December 10, 2019, 12:10:42 AM
Wow very nice and interesting Agamemnon  :drool: :drool: :drool: :like:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #467 on: December 10, 2019, 08:45:58 AM
 :cheers: Thanks Guys  :cheers:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #468 on: December 10, 2019, 03:23:59 PM
Splendid collection.  Thank you for sharing.   :salute:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #469 on: December 10, 2019, 05:51:14 PM
Wow, nice! Never saw that black one with gold colored logo before!  :ahhh  :drool:

Would really love to add one to the collection! I’ll keep my eyes wide open!
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #470 on: December 10, 2019, 05:59:52 PM
 :iagree:
That one caught my eye also!  :cheers:


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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #471 on: December 12, 2019, 10:01:58 PM
 
 9a, 9b) At a given moment the first DAK’s were used up, the armed forces were temporarily provided with a black of green Centurion civilian version (with tweezers and toothpick). Stamp: DE-GM 9305297 - Victorinox / SWITZERLAND / STAINLESS. (Black variant: issued KMA (Royal Military Academy) Breda, ca. 2007; Green variant: issued KMS (Royal Military School) Ermelo, ca. 2005/06)
 

Addition to number 9b (green variant Victorinox 0.8453.4).
I found this one in my collection: The green variant, but stamped DE-GM 9305297 - VICTORINOX / switzerland.

Don't know for sure if it was actually a DAK. According to the person I bought this knife from, it came from the inheritance of a DAK collector (that was all the seller knew).
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #472 on: December 12, 2019, 10:13:32 PM
The black one with GOLD logo is amazing!
I only was aware of the green one with gold logo.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #473 on: December 12, 2019, 10:55:48 PM
Nice  :like: :tu:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #474 on: December 13, 2019, 12:31:41 AM
Addition to number 9b (green variant Victorinox 0.8453.4).
I found this one in my collection: The green variant, but stamped DE-GM 9305297 - VICTORINOX / switzerland.

Don't know for sure if it was actually a DAK. According to the person I bought this knife from, it came from the inheritance of a DAK collector (that was all the seller knew).
It is nice!  :like:  :cheers:


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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #475 on: December 13, 2019, 12:32:47 AM
The black one with GOLD logo is amazing!
I only was aware of the green one with gold logo.
Green or black, they are both nice ones to have with the gold  :cheers:


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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #476 on: December 13, 2019, 10:16:02 AM
 :iagree: :tu: :drool: :drool: :drool:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #477 on: December 13, 2019, 11:32:16 AM
And now some  Multitools "used" by (or given as present to) the Dutch Army:

1)  KLU (Airforce);
2)  Landmacht (Army);
3)  Luchtmacht (Airforce);
4)  Landmacht (Royal Netherlans Army)

and there is more to come :whistle:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #478 on: December 13, 2019, 01:19:52 PM
Cool tools  :like: :tu:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #479 on: December 13, 2019, 04:25:37 PM
 :climber:
The complete range of Alox Amefa knives: (KL72 - KL82 & KL84, including KLu74)
In the years 1972, 1973 and 1974 this knife has three components. There was no can opener and the bottle opener was on the blade site. The can-opener was provided separately.
In the following years we switched to the 4-component pocket knife, incluiding the can opener.

And the complete range of Alox Victorinox knives: (KL83, KL85 - KL92, including KM87)

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