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nl Offline EMZ

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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #600 on: November 10, 2020, 06:43:53 PM
Who would to pay 5 times the normal price for a standard Victorinox Tinker Small aka 84mm Tinker?
I don’t think nobody would. However… I did!

Not because of the knife itself, but because of the package it was packed in: A sturdy 2-part aluminium tin, with lots of survival item!
The aide memoire (printed on waterproof paper) was already in my collection, so I had to buy this set when the opportunity came.

This DAK Small Tinker is official part of the Dutch Army “Survival Kit, Uitgebreid”, or in correct English: “Survival Kit, Extensive”. The kit even has its own NSN: 8465-17-124-7315.
The aluminium case measures 14 x 10 x 4 cm The aluminium is about 1,4 mm thick. Probably it is not commercially available. The two parts are held together with an elastci rubber band.
The kit is issued to special forces like the Dutch “Korps Commando Troepen”.
The kit is dated in 2015.

Very rare in this complete and almost unused condition.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #601 on: November 10, 2020, 07:09:12 PM
Awesome! Never knew about this kit!
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #602 on: November 10, 2020, 08:27:14 PM
Some more pictures.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #603 on: November 10, 2020, 09:37:09 PM
Great find EMZ  :like:
...and added to Tinker Small Wiki with a couple of your images, if you're OK with that?  :salute:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #604 on: November 10, 2020, 10:11:55 PM
Quote from: Max Stone on November 10, 2020, 09:37:09 PM
Great find EMZ  :like:
...and added to Tinker Small Wiki with a couple of your images, if you're OK with that?  :salute:

Yes, of course it's okay to use my images!
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #605 on: November 10, 2020, 10:33:32 PM
 :hatsoff:
BTW, I think I missed the sewing needle in the inventory list  :D
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #606 on: November 11, 2020, 12:33:31 AM
Quote from: Max Stone on November 10, 2020, 10:33:32 PM
:hatsoff:
BTW, I think I missed the sewing needle in the inventory list  :D

Good idea to list the contents!

Contents:
1 Pocket Knife
1 Fishing Kit
1 Flashlight
1 Compass
1 Rope
1 Fire Steel
1 Whistle
1 Matches
1 Copper Wire
1 Candle
20 Water Purifying Tablets
1 Condom
4 Safety Pins
1 Small Bandage
1 Small Gauze
1 Scalpel Blade
2 Sachet ORS
1 Needle
3 Tie-wrap
1 Mirror
1 Rubber Band
And of course the box plus lid.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #607 on: November 11, 2020, 01:44:22 AM
OMG, so cool!   Congratulations on this amazing find, EMZ, and thanks for expanding our wiki, Max!

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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #608 on: November 11, 2020, 06:01:16 AM
Thanks Myron and EMZ  :hatsoff:

I think we miss a lot of good information that is shared on the forum that could go to the Wiki, so I’m happy to do my little bit to help.  :salute:

Of course, the wide rubber band does not just keep the box closed, it can be used as a tourniquet or a catapult. And the aluminum box itself can be used to boil water or heat food. There was real thought that went into this kit. A great find EMZ.  :cheers:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #609 on: November 11, 2020, 08:25:14 PM
Lekker!  :gimme:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #610 on: November 11, 2020, 11:39:43 PM
Quote from: Guardian on November 11, 2020, 08:25:14 PM
Lekker!  :gimme:

Well... I know what you trying to say with 'lekker', however the Dutch expression 'lekker' is in fact always used to address that something tastes very good. For example food, drinks, and in a rude way for a fine looking woman. It's informal language, to be used amongst friends, not for official occasions, or during the X-mas dinner with your snobby parents-in-law.
Someone might say in a positive way "Ja, lekker!" when he expresses that for example a pastry tastes very good. But he can also say it with a very negative tone, and then it means "it sucks!".

Anyhow, thanks for the compliment!! :tu:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #611 on: November 12, 2020, 02:46:07 AM
Very, very cool. Thanks for sharing!
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #612 on: November 12, 2020, 03:11:46 AM
Awesome kit chap and I can certainly see how you  paid the price and with  no complaints. Amazing  collection piece  :hatsoff:


And thanks max for sharing the good news to the wiki so that all might want one now  :D
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #613 on: November 12, 2020, 07:36:24 AM
I thought I was lucky to find one for sale, but it turned out it was the ad of the guy that sold it to EMZ, he forgot to take the ad down  :facepalm:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #614 on: November 12, 2020, 08:17:32 AM
Quote from: glenfiddich1983 on November 12, 2020, 07:36:24 AM
I thought I was lucky to find one for sale, but it turned out it was the ad of the guy that sold it to EMZ, he forgot to take the ad down  :facepalm:

Lekker dan :cry:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #615 on: November 12, 2020, 08:20:01 AM
Quote from: Reinier on November 12, 2020, 08:17:32 AM
Lekker dan :cry:

Yeah. The reply I got from the seller was "Sorry, I forgot to take the ad down, thanks for reminding me!".

Very funny  :facepalm:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #616 on: November 12, 2020, 08:26:42 AM
Not really no.

And I took the opportunity to demonstrate another use of the word lekker ;)

Never seen one of those kits before. Nice find EMZ.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #617 on: November 12, 2020, 10:04:33 AM
Here is a 'lekker' song...  :cheers:

Maar dis lekker = But it's nice

https://youtu.be/3zbW4SoHLNw?list=OLAK5uy_nkE_dt0XoWAcGKlZCpipLEyaRDBBU9pNM

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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #618 on: November 12, 2020, 07:53:36 PM
Quote from: EMZ on November 11, 2020, 11:39:43 PM
Well... I know what you trying to say with 'lekker', however the Dutch expression 'lekker' is in fact always used to address that something tastes very good. For example food, drinks, and in a rude way for a fine looking woman. It's informal language, to be used amongst friends, not for official occasions, or during the X-mas dinner with your snobby parents-in-law.
Someone might say in a positive way "Ja, lekker!" when he expresses that for example a pastry tastes very good. But he can also say it with a very negative tone, and then it means "it sucks!".

Anyhow, thanks for the compliment!! :tu:

Oh......thanks EMZ  :cheers: I thought lekker could be used on anything that looked great and not just food; kind of a ‘slang’ word. So I better not say it to any Dutch women then or they may think I’m comparing them to a Big Mac or a food item :facepalm:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #619 on: November 13, 2020, 08:50:13 AM
Quote from: Guardian on November 12, 2020, 07:53:36 PM
Oh......thanks EMZ  :cheers: I thought lekker could be used on anything that looked great and not just food; kind of a ‘slang’ word. So I better not say it to any Dutch women then or they may think I’m comparing them to a Big Mac or a food item :facepalm:

Of course,  I blame Noraly from YouTube, who produces stuff under the name Itchy Boots. She does stuff on motor bikes and her international travels and was filming in the north of the Netherlands. It was at a motorcycle track and I thought she was describing a motorcycle as lekker, since the food being consumed by the people there didn’t look particularly great!! :D

Anyhoo, if you like motorcycles she is great to watch. I hate them myself but still love watching her :ahhh
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #620 on: November 13, 2020, 09:02:04 AM
Lekler can be used in several ways. Calling a man or woman lekker is not exaclty nice. A sofa can be lekker as well, in that case it means comfortable. A motorcycle can ride lekker I guess.

It's also lekker to have a day off work :P
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #621 on: November 13, 2020, 11:11:43 AM
Quote from: Reinier on November 13, 2020, 09:02:04 AM
Lekler can be used in several ways. Calling a man or woman lekker is not exaclty nice. A sofa can be lekker as well, in that case it means comfortable. A motorcycle can ride lekker I guess.

It's also lekker to have a day off work :P

Can’t beat a day off work!  :woohoo:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #622 on: November 13, 2020, 06:24:04 PM
Yes you can, Guardian - 2 days off work! I’ll get my coat.....
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #623 on: November 13, 2020, 06:29:49 PM
Quote from: Rizio Il Ghiro on November 13, 2020, 06:24:04 PM
Yes you can, Guardian - 2 days off work! I’ll get my coat.....

Or more!

Actually, I have five days off starting yesterday :)

I'll get my coat as well :cheers:

You should seriously visit vicfan.com. All the hoopy froods are doing it.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #624 on: November 13, 2020, 06:31:32 PM
 :cheers:
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #625 on: November 14, 2020, 11:41:04 AM
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Well done EMZ (with 'some' jealousy in my voice).
I only got the knife with a KCT emblem. So now I know what to look for further.

Keep up the good work and have a nice weekend
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #626 on: November 15, 2020, 06:37:09 PM
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What a beautiful patch. Never ever seen before!
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #627 on: November 19, 2020, 01:32:04 PM
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I was looking for more information on my Dutch army knives so I flipped through the pages on this forum.
So I came across information by Cyclone82, Gareth & Duder about the OH Parachutist from Victorinox.
 
I have all three models:
Zwanenburg (2 variants). The difference is in the weight.
•   Model 2006 - Zwanenburg; 1st version - Normal liners - weight: 158 grams
•   Model 2006 - Zwanenburg; 2nd version - Wide liners - weight: 182 grams.
Victorinox:
•   Model 2010 (DAK2010)
•   OH Parachutist

Both the Zwanenburg and the DAK 2010 have the same NSN (NSN 5110-17-106-2332).

I have asked my old army buddies (DMO – Dienst Materieel Organisatie) for further information:

At some point it was decided that the 1st Interservice model of Victorinox Model 1992 (DAK1993) had to be replaced by a model with 3 layers (NSN 5110-17-106-2332). (This was also the case in Germany). Germany preferred the Victorinox 111 OH GAK (with a wood saw instead of a belt cutter and an oval opening), the Netherlands chose the Zwanenburg.

Germany continued with the 1st model 111 OH GAK (GAK3) despite the criticism of the oval opening. In 2007, the 2nd model 111 OH GAK (GAK4) was put into use, with a round opening that made it easier to open the knife with one hand.

The Netherlands did not need a wood saw, but preferred a belt cutter like at the Zwanenburg. Victorinox's OH-Parachutist came into the picture. There was a test model, with the famous green scales and Interservice logo, but without scale tools (no need for) to replace the "Zwanenburg".

For some reason (no longer traceable) the test of this model was not continued, so it has not been in use. Finally in 2010 it was decided to continue with Model 2010 (DAK 2010) which is still in use today.

My brothers-in-arms said that they had heard about the OH Parachutist, but that they never saw it. Has never been issued.
Their advice was therefore to be very careful with it.
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #628 on: November 19, 2020, 01:33:04 PM
and all 3
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Re: Dutch Army Knives
Reply #629 on: December 04, 2020, 03:55:11 PM
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How a Canadian C5 utility knife turned into DAK.

After WW II, there was a shortage of everything in the Netherlands. By order of the Ministry of War (MvO), numerous pieces of equipment and weapons of the Allies (including Canadians) were reused by the Dutch army. One such piece of equipment was the Canadian Utility knife. Unlike the American version, the Canadian knives do not mention any country or part. The knife is called C5 in Canada.

In the period after World War II there was “something going on” (Bersiap period)  in the Dutch East Indies that needed to be done. We, the Dutch called it “Politionele Acties” (Police Actions).
And so we went/had to go to Indonesia – these were called the ‘Indonesië-gangers”.

Recently two of my veteran friends passed away. They were 95 and 97 years old. I got their pocket knives from their widows.

Both knives were issued to the "D Division" - "Palm Tree"
One knife (the top one) is made by Imperial (nothing on the scales or on the bail). The knife was used by 2-4 Battalion Guards Regiment Princess Irene. This battalion was made up of conscripts from the '46 class. Left for Semarang o/b Ms Tabitha on June 4, 1947 and repatriated on March 3, 1950 o/b MS Georgic.
We had to leave 43 men behind.

The other knife (bottom) has no name or other abbreviations or the blade or on the bail, or on the scales. It is therefore not known who the maker is. The knife has been used by 4-4 Battalion Guards Regiment Grenadiers. This battalion was made up of conscripts from the '46 class. Left o/b/ "Kota Inten" to Surabya on May 28, 1947 and repatriated o/b “Kota Inten” on February 16, 1950.
We had to leave 32 men here.

The background of the users is therefore known. I don't know anything about the knives themselves.
If anyone can say something about these knives, please let me know.

Finally, a few images of the American cousins: the MIL-K (which I also have in my collection).
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