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Reply #2160 on: January 17, 2016, 02:47:42 AM
Hmm, people saying revolvers are more reliable need to shoot them a lot more under pressure and in more varied conditions.
When a revolver jams you tend to need tools to get it going again.
Loading and unloading can introduce some serious jams if not done right.


I have personally never had ANY revolver I own jam or misfire. I have misfires or a jam frequently with semi's. The situation I am referring to has nothing to do with a reload so that is not even on the radar. In your "normal" situation where a CCW weapon is used (revo or semi) I have almost never seen a reload. I actually cannot recall a single event where a reload was done in such a situation. I have also never jammed a revolver reloading it in my entire life and i'm not just talking standard range time.

Cappy I was and still am of a mind that a good revolver stoked with quality ammo wi go bang every time you pull the trigger.

That said I did have a second hand Smith Model 19 I was never able to get running right. Ended up returning it. Just put this out there in the interest of completeness I guess.


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Reply #2161 on: January 17, 2016, 08:10:42 AM
I have been shooting revolvers for over 20 years and love them but the reality where I live is multiple armed attackers so capacity and reloads are very important.

Not counting on a reload in a shootout is very short sighted; in sport shooting I have had a case slip back and fall under the ejector star, more than once, this is not easy to fix.
Unfired powder and grime also gets under the star making the revolver impossible to close.
Once a bullet pulled itself loose on recoil and bound up the cylinder. Not a tap rack fix.

When a revolver goes wrong you need another gun. An auto can get back to shooting quite quickly.


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Reply #2162 on: January 17, 2016, 08:59:02 AM
I have been shooting revolvers for over 20 years and love them but the reality where I live is multiple armed attackers so capacity and reloads are very important.

Not counting on a reload in a shootout is very short sighted; in sport shooting I have had a case slip back and fall under the ejector star, more than once, this is not easy to fix.
Unfired powder and grime also gets under the star making the revolver impossible to close.
Once a bullet pulled itself loose on recoil and bound up the cylinder. Not a tap rack fix.

When a revolver goes wrong you need another gun. An auto can get back to shooting quite quickly.



Obviously in your scenario with multiple attackers a auto is a much better option no one is saying it isn't. What I am saying is for 99% of concealed carriers in the USA a single magazine or cylinder will almost always be enough. I agree you should ALWAYS anticipate a reload and have a speed clip or extra magazine or two at the ready, but for the 99% of people that carry everyday and never use their gun the reliability of a revolver outweighs the potential problems with a semi. Obviously you are bias towards semi's since multiple attackers is a possibility and reloads are almost guaranteed if the situation arouse. Most people do not have the same needs as you. Not to say one should not be prepared for such a situation, but its not a priority for the average guy carrying a gun.

Just to address one thing you mentioned about getting a auto back into action quickly. Yes sometimes a auto can be brought back with the standard tap and rack drill, but I have had a auto slip the barrel during recoil and jam the slide in the open position. The gun had to be taken to a gunsmith just to get the slide and barrel free. So not all autos can magically be fixed with a tap and rack. Also what happens if there is a cracked case and the case expands during ignition trapping itself in the barrel? This has happened to me as well. No amount of taping and racking will solve this. If this happened in a revolver just pull the trigger again and your good. What about a ejector failure. Not a ejection failure, but what if your ejector breaks? The gun is useless. There is arguments for both sides.

I am in no way saying you are wrong. If I was you I would carry a semi with two extra mags and a backup gun on top of that. Its all about specific needs and wants in a carry gun. Just my opinion.
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Reply #2163 on: January 17, 2016, 12:38:07 PM
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Dan if you ever get a chance to fire a .500 Linebaugh with full house loads please do so. It a real exciting experience you wont soon forget. I think you may have found a handgun and round with enough recoil.

It is funny you should say that. I am now being gently prodded by a recoil fanatic fan of mine to buy a S&W500. The revolver is around 1200 dollars. I was thinking a little here and there on layaway and it should be mine in a few months. However, when I asked how much a box of 500 S&W magnums were, I was told 80 bucks for 20. That comes out to 4 dollars a round! Yeah, I left the gun exactly where it laid in the display case. Yikes!

As for me, I like both revolvers and semi-automatics.
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Reply #2164 on: January 17, 2016, 05:12:40 PM
Four dollars a round!

I could not afford to have guns as a hobby in Canada.


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Reply #2165 on: January 17, 2016, 07:09:46 PM
Four dollars a round!

I could not afford to have guns as a hobby in Canada.


I'm bet the ammo for the S&W 500 is about the same price here.   :think:
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Reply #2166 on: January 19, 2016, 03:34:01 AM
Any one in here carry a hand gun in a shoulder holster (under arm). I want to try this carry, but do not want to invest a lot of money until I see if it will work for me. I now carry on my belt (cons) but cannot get in my pocket, and hard to fasten seat belts (pros) I already have a belt holster. I am looking at some inexpensive shoulders holster with horizontal draw. The gun I will be carrying is a Ruger SP101 in 357 Magnum.  So is it worth it to invest in a low quality holster or go all out and get a good one to start. Your opinions welcome. This is the gun I will carry as I own it and it is small enough to carry concealed, and yes I have permit to CC.  ??? 


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Reply #2167 on: January 19, 2016, 06:33:54 AM
Here is one of my guns, in facts its probably my main carry gun at this point; I traded it off to a mate (for some Spydercos!) who then sold it back to me a few months later.

While he had it he took these photo ;o)

He is a custom maker and runs the local family gun shop and range, his most popular knife is called the "Ranger" shown next to a Wilson Starbenza. He is left handed like me and I think this is his personal ranger. I never use my knives in the left hand; he does. Ranger is M390 steel in Ti frame-lock.
What is interesting about the little Glock is it uses a Gen 2.5 frame; finger grooves but they are smooth.




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Reply #2168 on: January 19, 2016, 06:47:02 AM
Awesome blades and a sweet G27!

How do you like the dogtag?
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Reply #2169 on: January 19, 2016, 06:47:42 AM
Oh wait those knives aren't your right?  :think:
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Reply #2170 on: January 19, 2016, 07:35:49 AM
Knives are Jason's. I have had a dog tag but don't think it's practical. He small cutting edge can be had elsewhere. I'd even take a Roadie over a dogtag. 


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Reply #2171 on: January 19, 2016, 07:46:33 AM
Knives are Jason's. I have had a dog tag but don't think it's practical. He small cutting edge can be had elsewhere. I'd even take a Roadie over a dogtag. 


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Have you handled a roadie? If so how small is it. It looks larger in pictures than I think it really is.
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Reply #2172 on: January 19, 2016, 08:05:39 AM
Its very small.
I throw it in my top pocket on occasion as a sheeple friendly biltong knife.

Compared to a 58mm SAK.



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Reply #2173 on: January 19, 2016, 08:10:57 AM
Roadie vs an 84mm SAK I had on my desk.



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Reply #2174 on: January 19, 2016, 08:27:52 AM
Thanks for the great comparison shots.  :tu:

I wanted one since before they were released and still do. I just wish the price was slightly better. Even more so now that MAP pricing is in effect.

I may still get one eventually.
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Reply #2175 on: January 23, 2016, 02:16:15 PM
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Reply #2176 on: January 23, 2016, 05:00:07 PM
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Reply #2177 on: January 23, 2016, 05:45:23 PM
Browsing some random links on youtube I came across a round I'd never heard of before; the .327 Federal Magnum.  Anyone have any experience with this one?
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Reply #2178 on: January 23, 2016, 06:53:06 PM
Browsing some random links on youtube I came across a round I'd never heard of before; the .327 Federal Magnum.  Anyone have any experience with this one?

No personal experience but read a lot of good things about the round.


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Reply #2179 on: January 23, 2016, 07:40:04 PM
Gonna go to the range tomorrow! :)

I will shoot a great gun, it´s not mine, but my shooting club owns several of these. It is an Anschütz Modell 54 in .22lr. A single shot rifle.

One of the most precise systems I´ve ever shot.
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Reply #2180 on: January 23, 2016, 07:42:44 PM
Gonna go to the range tomorrow! :)

I will shoot a great gun, it´s not mine, but my shooting club owns several of these. It is an Anschütz Modell 54 in .22lr. A single shot rifle.

One of the most precise systems I´ve ever shot.


 8)    :)   Hope you have a great time at the range!


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Reply #2181 on: January 23, 2016, 08:19:48 PM
I might be going to the range tomorrow as well. There will be a fun pistol shoot requiring around 70 rounds.  :tu:
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Reply #2182 on: January 23, 2016, 08:28:00 PM
Browsing some random links on youtube I came across a round I'd never heard of before; the .327 Federal Magnum.  Anyone have any experience with this one?


No personal experience, but the round has been around for years. Around 5 or so if I remember correctly.  :think:

It is "thinner" than a .357 mag, but is supposed to create the same amount of energy while allowing a revolver cylinder to hold 6 shots instead of 5 shots of .357 mag.

Should be a great round. I personally like to stick with common rounds as ammo is already expensive as it is and specialty rounds are normally more expensive and harder to find.
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Reply #2183 on: January 23, 2016, 08:46:13 PM
I have a copy of "Cartridges of the World" on my Ipad.

This is what it says about the .327 Federal Magnum.

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Introduced in 2008, the .327 Federal Magnum is an attempt to improve the performance of the .32H&R Magnum. .32H&R factory ammunition, as per SAAMI specs, is not loaded to the cartridge's full potential. This is due to the weaker H&R revolvers chambered for this cartridge. Cartridge performance for the .32 H&R Magnum can be subsequently improved with hand-loads, when fired in Ruger or S&W revolvers. The .327 Federal Magnum takes this performance to a new level. This was accomplished by increasing the case capacity and loading the cartridge to a substantially higher pressure (45 000 psi) than the .32 H&R Magnum which is 21 000 psi. In fact, the .327 Federal Magnum is loaded to a higher pressure than any other commercially loaded defensive handgun cartridge. Since .327 Federal Magnums cannot be chambered in any other .32 caliber revolver, there is no concern of over-pressure issues. Ruger worked with Federal during the development of this cartridge and initially offered a three inch version of its SP 101 six shot revolver in this chambering. With factory load, a 100-grain bullet will leave the barrel of the SP 101 at about 1400 fps.

The .327 Federal Magnum is a handful in a 28 ounce SP 101 with full power loads. Federal does offer an 85 grain, low recoil load that is much more controllable, but it is still markedly more powerful than any factory .32 H&R Magnum loads. The terminal performance of this cartridge with both the 100 and 115 grain Speer Gold Dot loads approaches that of the .357 Magnum with similar bullets. Penetration in 10% gelatin is in excess of 14 inches, and bullets exhibit wide expansion. The design of these two Gold Dot bullets is very important to this cartridge, because prior to them, there were no .312 diameter bullets that could withstand the velocity this cartridge is capable of producing.

If you can manage the recoil from a handgun, it is a viable self defense option, and from a rifle, it is capable of taking deer sized game out to 100 yards. From the 16 inch barreled Marlin, the 110 grain bullet speeds along at over 2000 fps. One thing that sets the .327 Federal Magnum apart from all other revolver cartridges is the fact that any revolver so chambered will also fire .32 Short, .32 Long, and .32 H&R Magnum ammunition. This cartridge's versatility is unmatched.
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Reply #2184 on: January 23, 2016, 10:43:30 PM
Gonna go to the range tomorrow! :)

I will shoot a great gun, it´s not mine, but my shooting club owns several of these. It is an Anschütz Modell 54 in .22lr. A single shot rifle.

One of the most precise systems I´ve ever shot.

I'm the fortunate owner of five Anschutz rifles.I posted a pic of one my sporters in a thread titled ".22 rifles" last year.

All of the Anschutz rifle are shipped with a target which is shot at the factory.This rifle had a target that consisted of 10 rounds fired at 50 meters and all shots  were touching and also fit inside of the head of the figure on a dime.

Here is my Anschutz 54.18 Silhouette rifle.
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Reply #2185 on: January 23, 2016, 11:07:15 PM
Here is a pic of the Anschutz 54 Sporter.
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Reply #2186 on: January 24, 2016, 02:16:30 AM
Browsing some random links on youtube I came across a round I'd never heard of before; the .327 Federal Magnum.  Anyone have any experience with this one?


No personal experience, but the round has been around for years. Around 5 or so if I remember correctly.  :think:

It is "thinner" than a .357 mag, but is supposed to create the same amount of energy while allowing a revolver cylinder to hold 6 shots instead of 5 shots of .357 mag.

Should be a great round. I personally like to stick with common rounds as ammo is already expensive as it is and specialty rounds are normally more expensive and harder to find.

+1  Knew a man some years back who went on African safari with two rifles, one a 30-06 and the other a new super magnum. The guns made it okay, but the ammo didn't. Turned out there wasn't a round of the new cartridge to be had in the country he was in. The 06 wasn't a problem, a fact which saved the trip.


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Reply #2187 on: January 24, 2016, 02:17:34 AM
Here is a pic of the Anschutz 54 Sporter.

Anschutz are always nice.   :tu:


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Reply #2188 on: January 24, 2016, 03:48:16 AM
Here is a pic of the Anschutz 54 Sporter.

Anschutz are always nice.   :tu:

Nice?

Understatement of the year if you ask me.


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Reply #2189 on: January 24, 2016, 06:28:01 AM
I like both but shoot a 1911 much better.

Here's an unrelated ammo test pic of the Kit Gun just because....
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