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Scale tools - 4th opening 1191

Newbie Posts: 13 Hey ho, lets go!
Scale tools - 4th opening
« on: March 10, 2021, 12:29:48 AM »
Hello and good night to all.

Has anybody thought of some tool for the 4th opening on the Vic scale?

I thought of putting the fire ant fire starter in place of the toothpick and move it to the place of the 4th opening, but it does not fit.

Best would be to find a fire starter that fits the tweezer place, and then buy a small tweezer for the 4th opening.

Any ideas?
No Life Club Posts: 2,314
Re: Scale tools - 4th opening
« Reply #1 on: March 13, 2021, 06:37:25 AM »
Hello and good night to all.

Has anybody thought of some tool for the 4th opening on the Vic scale?
I put a shortened Firefly with the head reshaped and modified to glow blue.

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I thought of putting the fire ant fire starter in place of the toothpick and move it to the place of the 4th opening, but it does not fit.
You could probably mod the toothpick to fit, but it would be quite a bit shorter.

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Best would be to find a fire starter that fits the tweezer place, and then buy a small tweezer for the 4th opening.
Did that too. Just gotta mod/reverse the head orientation. I used epoxy and glow powder.

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Any ideas?
Pen slot. Make your own ferro rod to fit it. I think there are rods available to fit the stock slot. Again, I’d use epoxy and glow powder to form the head.

I think I posted some pics in the FireAnt thread in the SAK forum and maybe comis’ glow mod scale thread in this forum.

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Re: Scale tools - 4th opening
« Reply #2 on: March 13, 2021, 07:43:16 PM »
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Re: Scale tools - 4th opening
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2021, 05:50:53 PM »
Yeah, I forget that the internet doesn’t believe anything without pics!

Post in the glow scale thread is
Here

This is in the back tweezer slot cut open in a Champion Plus and the other is in a white Spartan PS.
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Re: Scale tools - 4th opening
« Reply #4 on: March 17, 2021, 02:00:28 PM »
Yeah, I forget that the internet doesn’t believe anything without pics!

Post in the glow scale thread is
Here

This is in the back tweezer slot cut open in a Champion Plus and the other is in a white Spartan PS.

Thanks, but my question was more about the 4th opening. You got T&T, pen... what's the 4th one?!

 :think: :think:

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Re: Scale tools - 4th opening
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2021, 02:55:18 PM »
Thanks, but my question was more about the 4th opening. You got T&T, pen... what's the 4th one?!

 :think: :think:

I believe that Champion Plus has a Firefly in the 4th slot.

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Re: Scale tools - 4th opening
« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2021, 02:00:55 PM »
I believe that Champion Plus has a Firefly in the 4th slot.

I didn't made myself clear (as usual). What I meant was "what are the 4 slots?"

1. Toothpick
2. Tweezers
3. Pen
4.  ??? (do you count the pin, under the corkscrew?!)

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Re: Scale tools - 4th opening
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2021, 02:12:49 PM »
I didn't made myself clear (as usual). What I meant was "what are the 4 slots?"

1. Toothpick
2. Tweezers
3. Pen
4.  ??? (do you count the pin, under the corkscrew?!)

Ah, I see.

It's the ultra secret slot on the back scale of some (not all) SAKs. Older scales do not have the slot:



You can see it on the top left of the photo. The slot is not opened except on the Voyager et al.

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No Life Club Posts: 1,216
Re: Scale tools - 4th opening
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2021, 03:23:27 PM »
This slot, oposite to the other two?

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Re: Scale tools - 4th opening
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2021, 03:42:59 PM »
This slot, oposite to the other two?(Image removed from quote.)

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Thanks! This pic illustrates it perfectly. I'll have to check my SAKs, don't remember seeing this.

 :cheers: :salute:

Edit: Yup, there it is, in a translucent scale. Do regular celidor scales have this, too? Or just the translucent ones?
« Last Edit: March 18, 2021, 03:48:41 PM by pfrsantos »

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No Life Club Posts: 1,216
Re: Scale tools - 4th opening
« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2021, 04:06:51 PM »
Thanks! This pic illustrates it perfectly. I'll have to check my SAKs, don't remember seeing this.

 :cheers: :salute:

Edit: Yup, there it is, in a translucent scale. Do regular celidor scales have this, too? Or just the translucent ones?

I believe that only plus scales have It. Both celidor and translucent.

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Re: Scale tools - 4th opening
« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2021, 04:27:32 PM »
Thanks! This pic illustrates it perfectly. I'll have to check my SAKs, don't remember seeing this.

 :cheers: :salute:

Edit: Yup, there it is, in a translucent scale. Do regular celidor scales have this, too? Or just the translucent ones?


I'll never post a pic in order to illustrate something to you ever again ;)

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Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 9,968 \o/
Re: Scale tools - 4th opening
« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2021, 04:30:58 PM »
I believe that only plus scales have It. Both celidor and translucent.

But older plus scales don't!

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Absolute Zombie Club Posts: 20,015 Oxygen and magnesium toghether?! OMg!
Re: Scale tools - 4th opening
« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2021, 04:56:27 PM »
I'll never post a pic in order to illustrate something to you ever again ;)



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Absolute Zombie Club Posts: 20,015 Oxygen and magnesium toghether?! OMg!
Re: Scale tools - 4th opening
« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2021, 04:58:55 PM »
I believe that only plus scales have It. Both celidor and translucent.

Bellow a link for a Felix Immler video:

https://youtu.be/Ds440bc5eGs

So, the 4th slot is a 3rd slot... why not have a 2nd slot in the other scale, to make a 5th slot? It would be less crowded.

 :think: :think:

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Newbie Posts: 13 Hey ho, lets go!
Re: Scale tools - 4th opening
« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2021, 07:53:41 PM »
So, the 4th slot is a 3rd slot... why not have a 2nd slot in the other scale, to make a 5th slot? It would be less crowded.

 :think: :think:

The forth slot is meant to be used in SAKs that have the watch on the front scale. When you have the watch, there's no way to fit the tweezer, so these models come with the 4th slot open, and a shorter tweezer there.

If you have a SAK without a watch and with plus scales, the 4th slot will be closed, but its simple to open it.

Cheers
No Life Club Posts: 2,314
Re: Scale tools - 4th opening
« Reply #16 on: March 19, 2021, 06:20:29 AM »
I'll never post a pic in order to illustrate something to you ever again ;)

 :rofl:

3rd back slot, 4th if you exclude the pin. Thanks again for explaining anything better than I do Reinier!

But the rear slot is for the Electronic scales, so that the short tweezer can be used there. Not sure in the exact year of introduction, but I think after 2000, when the plus scales were still ‘solid’, without all the modern reinforcing ribs found in the ‘hollow’ scales.

Reinier will explain anything I missed. 😉

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Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 9,968 \o/
Re: Scale tools - 4th opening
« Reply #17 on: March 19, 2021, 06:40:42 AM »
But there are no electronic cellidor front scales so why the extra slot on the back?

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No Life Club Posts: 2,314
Re: Scale tools - 4th opening
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2021, 02:34:26 PM »
But there are no electronic cellidor front scales so why the extra slot on the back?

Like anything Victorinox does, it’s about production efficiency. Both scales share the same interior injection mold. Saves on tooling costs.

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Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 9,968 \o/
Re: Scale tools - 4th opening
« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2021, 02:39:15 PM »
Like anything Victorinox does, it’s about production efficiency. Both scales share the same interior injection mold. Saves on tooling costs.

That"s actually what I had typed and then deleted. Becaude I sort of doubt it. The molds can not be identical since on cellidor the slot is still closed :think:
Oh well :)

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Re: Scale tools - 4th opening
« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2021, 02:40:51 PM »
But yes of course, probably some parts of the mold are identical, that makes sense :tu:
Need more coffee  :D

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No Life Club Posts: 2,314
Re: Scale tools - 4th opening
« Reply #21 on: March 20, 2021, 05:41:14 AM »
But yes of course, probably some parts of the mold are identical, that makes sense :tu:
Need more coffee  :D

  :D

Yeah, bad things happen when I type under or un-caffeinated.

But it does seem to me that they would only have to change the outer part of the mold. Which they’d have to do for the ESD textured electronic scales anyway.

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No Life Club Posts: 2,314
Re: Scale tools - 4th opening
« Reply #22 on: March 20, 2021, 09:40:54 PM »
So, the 4th slot is a 3rd slot... why not have a 2nd slot in the other scale, to make a 5th slot? It would be less crowded.

 :think: :think:

Cosmetics. The front side uses the (normal) Tweezer slot to display the Victorinox name against it. Adding more tools to the ‘front’ scale like where the pen goes on the back would muck it up a bit. Adding a slot under the shield would be a no-no for the translucent versions.

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Hero Member Posts: 945
Re: Scale tools - 4th opening
« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2021, 06:21:54 AM »
This makes me want some Fireflies more  :rant:

I was tempted to open teh 4th slot on the plus scales I got recently before putting them on, but I was sure that I'd muck up the opening in some fashion  :dunno:

The 4th slot seems to use 'short' tweezers, do you all mean the ones from 58mms?

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Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 9,968 \o/
Re: Scale tools - 4th opening
« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2021, 07:35:14 AM »
The 4th slot seems to use 'short' tweezers, do you all mean the ones from 58mms?

Acutally no, the short ones are different. Part number is A.3742. You can find them on eBay and they are also available in some of the replacement parts kits (here for example: https://ebay.com/itm/193973665263)

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Re: Scale tools - 4th opening
« Reply #25 on: March 21, 2021, 07:51:09 AM »
Acutally no, the short ones are different. Part number is A.3742. You can find them on eBay and they are also available in some of the replacement parts kits (here for example: https://ebay.com/itm/193973665263)

So kind of like an inbetween size?

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Re: Scale tools - 4th opening
« Reply #26 on: March 21, 2021, 09:47:48 AM »
No, 58mm and 91mm tweezers are the same size at about 45mm. The short ones are about 35mm (measured using a SwissTool so give or take 2mm ;) ).

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Absolutely No Life Club Posts: 9,968 \o/
Re: Scale tools - 4th opening
« Reply #27 on: March 21, 2021, 09:52:15 AM »
Short ones on the left. Middle one (red) is for 58mm SAKs. Note that the plastic part on the short tweezers has the same angle as the 91mm ones.

Obviously the same tweezers (58mm and 91mm) are used in 74mm, 84mm, 111mm and 130mm SAKs and also in SwissCards. And probably elsewhere too :)

Also: https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Tweezers

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No Life Club Posts: 2,314
Re: Scale tools - 4th opening
« Reply #28 on: March 23, 2021, 04:16:55 AM »
 :iagree: Excellent explanations, as usual.

This makes me want some Fireflies more  :rant:

I was tempted to open teh 4th slot on the plus scales I got recently before putting them on, but I was sure that I'd muck up the opening in some fashion  :dunno:

Just do it. I only used a Vic Metal Saw and worked slowly, using the side walls to guide the initial cuts on each side. Test fit the tweezers before you’re done to make sure you don’t cut too far.

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Re: Scale tools - 4th opening
« Reply #29 on: March 23, 2021, 01:15:09 PM »
Short ones on the left. Middle one (red) is for 58mm SAKs. Note that the plastic part on the short tweezers has the same angle as the 91mm ones.

Obviously the same tweezers (58mm and 91mm) are used in 74mm, 84mm, 111mm and 130mm SAKs and also in SwissCards. And probably elsewhere too :)

Also: https://sakwiki.com/tiki-index.php?page=Tweezers

Why are those not aligned and evenly spaced?!

 :facepalm:

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