I’m with you King G, I prefer the lift up to the pull over style too Ever tried the one on the Swisstool SwissKey? Very fiddly BUT for its size also very handy to be fair My main gripe with most MT cap lifters is they’re too thin to really get purchase and so you have to carefully place it in a crimp but can take quite a few attempts. The Gerber Dime for its faults does have this solved with a truly excellent opener IMO Bottle opener is a must have for me and why I choose rambler/manager over the classicOver thinking it? Maybe, but hey that’s what we do here
My vote is that you're overthinking it, but on that note, why can't that style of bottle opener be used from the front with a downward pushing motion rather than the pull over motion you show?
are you asking about the CRKT Septimo? or the Leatherman MTs with the carabiner openers? Either way, it seems that they are designed to only work in the "pull-over" method. (at least as far as I can tell)
Hey. You're a gorilla. You should be strong enough to open it any old way you want to.
Personally I am not fussed either way. As long as you get the cap off. Over the years I have used whatever is closest to hand. MTs , cigarette lighters, egg flips used like a sword,screwdrivers, A4 sheet of paper folded enough times , seat belt buckles and any number of holes or edges on my Landrovers. One of the African bush favourites was to, while driving , open the RHD Landy door with right hand and use the left hand to open the bottle on the door catch. A man can become very inventive when he is thirsty.
I prefer pushing upwards. It feels natural.That orientation with the Signal looks awkward. I never imagined anyone would use it like that. Surely with that style of bottle opener you'd have more leverage if used the other way around. I've seen people use dedicated bottle openers in this orientation too, if they favor pulling. But pushing feels more natural to me.
My main gripe with most MT cap lifters is they’re too thin to really get purchase and so you have to carefully place it in a crimp but can take quite a few attempts.
It depends, if there is a table or counter to work with, I think the reach over push down opener has more leverage.If you're stuck just holding bottle and opener in your hands, the lift up type opener is easier to use.
No preference. If I have a beverage that requires mechanical advantage to open it then I'm happy to use whichever type of opener is closest at hand and I don't give it much thought after that. If pull over openers such as the carabiner on the Skeletool bothers you you can always hold the bottle opener firmly while pushing down on the bottle against the opener instead of pulling the opener across the bottle.
Now the ones I don’t like are the finicky ones like Echotech mentions that only work if you get them just right in a crimp. The Rambler is like this. For as much as I love the Rambler and having the back-up bottle opener, it frustrates me on certain bottles that are crimped really tight.
For SAK-type openers, rather than worrying about the exact placement, I just put it on there and lift up. If the bottle doesn't open, I rotate the bottle a slightly in my hand, put the bottle opener on and lift up again. Even if the bottle doesn't open, it will loosen the cap a bit each time. I repeat this as needed until the cap comes off. Once you get practiced at it, it is a pretty quick process, even if takes 3-4 tries to open a bottle.
Most SAK openers are no problem at all, it is just the 58mm one like on the Rambler. As you can see from the below pictures comparing to a 91mm, the Rambler’s opener’s hook is fat, short and not that deep, so if you do not place it carefully, it will just slip off without even loosening at all.(Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)
Interesting. I don't have much experience with the 58mm. It almost looks like it is designed to go onto the cap at more of an angle than the 91mm. Is that how you use it?
Yes. Here is a picture showing how the bottle opener starts. The hook part is just barely under a crimp.(Image removed from quote.)
The picture is worth a thousand words. Seems like the 58mm bottle opener is better than nothing, but leaves a lot to be desired.On the 84mm and larger SAKs, bottle opening seems to be one thing the combo tools do better than the dedicated opener layer.
I have a mini champ with that same opener. The frustrating part is that I feel like Victorinox could make a 58mm SAK with a bottle opener/slotted driver from the 84mm size. I don't think it would stick out that much. They would have to design it with at least one side having a single central pivot rather than the 2 they have on all the 58mm's. But I'm pretty sure it is possible.
In general the upwards version, but the Skeletool may be one of the best bottle openers I've used period, very smooth and comfortable.The 58mm combo phillips is... useable, I find it takes me two attempts with those. One breaks the seal and the second actually manages to part cap from bottle (usually over a little from the initial attempt).
Still better than using your teeth.