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The direction Victorinox is heading.

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Re: The direction Victorinox is heading.
Reply #60 on: September 29, 2025, 08:24:57 PM
I like both the locking screwdriver and Evolution scales. As for innovation, I guess it's all good and well. But I'd rather have something that's been proven.
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Re: The direction Victorinox is heading.
Reply #61 on: September 29, 2025, 09:51:33 PM
I never thought the evolution scales sculpting did much to aid grip.  They do look nice, though.  I can see how the evo-grip scales would, though I personally don't like the rubber insert approach.  Seems less durable.

Regarding the locking driver, I assume it works by elongating the pivot hole in the tool? If so, does the tool sliding back and forth across the brass pin accelerate wear in that area of the pin?


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Re: The direction Victorinox is heading.
Reply #62 on: September 29, 2025, 10:47:25 PM
I thought the Evolution scales were only nice-looking scales, until I had to eat some chicken thighs with a Wenger Evo 16, and found the best grip I've ever had on a knife during this task. It becomes almost instinctive on my hands, and great for almost every job I try to do with it.
Regarding the locking screwdriver, it may increase wear on the pin, but non of my old, used and abused Wengers show that wear, so I still like it!

I never thought the evolution scales sculpting did much to aid grip.  They do look nice, though.  I can see how the evo-grip scales would, though I personally don't like the rubber insert approach.  Seems less durable.

Regarding the locking driver, I assume it works by elongating the pivot hole in the tool? If so, does the tool sliding back and forth across the brass pin accelerate wear in that area of the pin?
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Re: The direction Victorinox is heading.
Reply #63 on: September 29, 2025, 11:16:50 PM
I thought the Evolution scales were only nice-looking scales, until I had to eat some chicken thighs with a Wenger Evo 16, and found the best grip I've ever had on a knife during this task. It becomes almost instinctive on my hands, and great for almost every job I try to do with it.
Regarding the locking screwdriver, it may increase wear on the pin, but non of my old, used and abused Wengers show that wear, so I still like it!

That’s good feedback on the pin wear.

And to be fair, I did not have an evo scaled knife very long and never carried it with any frequency. It’s very likely I’d find it handy given some real use. But alas, I’m an alox man nowadays.


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Re: The direction Victorinox is heading.
Reply #64 on: September 29, 2025, 11:56:46 PM
Regarding the locking driver, I assume it works by elongating the pivot hole in the tool? If so, does the tool sliding back and forth across the brass pin accelerate wear in that area of the pin?

I've taken apart two used Wengers that have the slide locking Cap lifter/Driver and didn't notice any abnormal wear on the pin.


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Re: The direction Victorinox is heading.
Reply #65 on: September 30, 2025, 12:28:13 AM
I love the Evo and Evolution scales, and the Wenger nail file (stippled, not notched). Give me that nail file on all 91's instead of the small blade. The blade shape is different and a nice change. I like Victorinox's just as much.


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Re: The direction Victorinox is heading.
Reply #66 on: September 30, 2025, 03:29:32 AM
I've taken apart two used Wengers that have the slide locking Cap lifter/Driver and didn't notice any abnormal wear on the pin.

Thanks for an additional data point!

Seems like it is a robust design.


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Re: The direction Victorinox is heading.
Reply #67 on: October 10, 2025, 04:15:11 PM
The innovations are coming thick and fast, now.  At last we have what the World has been waiting for, a dedicated SAK for your espresso machine:

https://www.victorinox.com/en-GB/Products/Swiss-Army-Knife™-and-Tools/Trades-and-Crafts/Victorinox-x-La-Marzocco-Barista-Tool/p/1.5924.LMA


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Re: The direction Victorinox is heading.
Reply #68 on: October 10, 2025, 04:42:58 PM
The innovations are coming thick and fast, now.  At last we have what the World has been waiting for, a dedicated SAK for your espresso machine:

https://www.victorinox.com/en-GB/Products/Swiss-Army-Knife™-and-Tools/Trades-and-Crafts/Victorinox-x-La-Marzocco-Barista-Tool/p/1.5924.LMA
With awl the barista-driven propaganda and they left out from the tool list the Nozzle remover and the Coffee Spatula.

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Re: The direction Victorinox is heading.
Reply #69 on: October 10, 2025, 04:52:00 PM
With awl the barista-driven propaganda and they left out from the tool list the Nozzle remover and the Coffee Spatula.

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Good spot.

I have got to question what that coffee spatula is actually for.  Perhaps I just lack knowledge of the inner mysteries of espresso. But when I make one, I use a scoop and a tamper. I can't see how the "spatula" would be of any help at all.

EDIT:  I read more of the hype on the V'nox web page. "Use this to remove the basket from the portafilter for cleaning".  So it does have a function of some kind, after all.
« Last Edit: October 10, 2025, 04:58:22 PM by fullbreakfast »


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Re: The direction Victorinox is heading.
Reply #70 on: October 10, 2025, 05:11:46 PM
I should say I'm not actually against these kind of special ised issues, and in some ways the more obscure they are the more fun. They all contribute to the legend of the SAK, that no matter what you want to do, there is a SAK you can do it with.

I still wish I had bought a Minathor...

EDIT: Very funny, the forum software won't let you post the word "special ised" without the random space, because it contains the name of a medicine used for erectile disfunction. How prudish can you get!


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Re: The direction Victorinox is heading.
Reply #71 on: October 10, 2025, 06:19:49 PM
How prudish can you get!

Its not about being prude, though that would be up to the forum owner.  It prolly does that to block spam words.  :salute:



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Re: The direction Victorinox is heading.
Reply #73 on: October 10, 2025, 06:39:49 PM
The forum software won't let you post the word "special ised" without the random space, because it contains the name of a medicine used for erectile disfunction.
Just use American English: "specialized." :cheers:

Speaking of specialized, that seems like exactly what the 12mm nozzle remover is. If only they'd seen it fit to resurrect the Wenger combo wrench (though this SAK strikes me as being very much in the spirit of Wenger's greater willingness to take risks on production of a specialty tool). I'm looking at the coffee spatula as an enlarged version of the 58mm pharmaceutical spatula. Somehow this tool set seems more useful to me than one that includes the package opener.

Second edit: I don't have much need for a magnifying glass, and the 12mm nozzle could probably be used on 12V battery cables. So I guess Victorinox may have a winner there. Though I'd still like to see the Wenger-style combo wrench make a comeback.
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Re: The direction Victorinox is heading.
Reply #75 on: October 10, 2025, 06:42:01 PM
Its not about being prude, though that would be up to the forum owner.  It prolly does that to block spam words.  :salute:

Yeah, that does make more sense.

There's a town here in the UK that is called Scun thorpe, without the space, that you could never refer to on any forum...


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Re: The direction Victorinox is heading.
Reply #76 on: October 10, 2025, 06:58:59 PM
   Same way here with smart watch.  It won't pass as a single word.  Best wishes.  G
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Re: The direction Victorinox is heading.
Reply #77 on: October 12, 2025, 11:30:12 PM
The innovations are coming thick and fast, now.  At last we have what the World has been waiting for, a dedicated SAK for your espresso machine:

https://www.victorinox.com/en-GB/Products/Swiss-Army-Knife™-and-Tools/Trades-and-Crafts/Victorinox-x-La-Marzocco-Barista-Tool/p/1.5924.LMA

Wow - Maybe Victorinox still do have some of that Wenger innovation, creativity and craziness


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Re: The direction Victorinox is heading.
Reply #78 on: October 12, 2025, 11:31:54 PM
With awl the barista-driven propaganda and they left out from the tool list the Nozzle remover and the Coffee Spatula.

Yep - The Vict website is pretty shocking - Full of bu11sh1t and awlways loads of mistakes - Particularly in the tool lists
Often missing and/or duplicated tools!!


 

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