Full body scanners

[jzmtl]

So I've read about them installed at airports, and the detailed images they can produce. This is claimed to be one of them.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/january2010/050110top2.jpg <-graphic content, depends on your view.

Didn't look like much eh? Now save it, open it in your fav image processor and invert color. I'm not sure if I believe it but look at the outline around the leg produced by the jeans, and the outline of the gun in the left most image, not sure how I can dispute the authenticity of it.

This is how the airport screeners will see you. 

[Dunc]

I want a job at an airport 

Dunc

[Chako]

I do not like that at all. This will just result in more people not flying anymore.

[Whoey]

Isn't it once again just a false sense of security...

Didn't they admit that even if the christmas eve attempt had been scanned by these they wouldn't have picked it up due to the low density of the explosives used? And what's to prevent internally transporting explosives like drug mules... based on those pictures the machine can't see through the body, only the clothes. This will however help on items that previously would pass metal detectors like glass reinforced plastic knives... etc.

[sardauker]

sure, and the scanner got hair shades and not fabric.

Fake, luckily.

[Chako]

Well here is a not fake photograph.

http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/10/13/full-body-scanners-at-airports-reveal-your-junk/

[zepla]

I want a job at an airport 

Dunc

+1 

[Styerman]

Sad to say , Isreal has the right approach to airport security , profile like crazy , an have a bunch of competent shooters on hand . Screening is a feel good thing .

Chris

[Tinnie]

Hmm I need to get fit now

[Medic82]

This is being debated in Norway right now, about starting testing the darn thing or not, but it all lies in the hands of the The Data Inspectorate and for now they are very skeptical. They are afraid that when we first get used to it then we will se the scanner popping up at schools, train stations, shopping malls and church.

The security checks at the airport, at least in Norway, is basically a false sense of security. We have reporters over here that manages to jump over fences and steal airport cars and can walk freely around the airplanes, if they where terrorists then they could have planted explosives.

[Grant Lamontagne]

I really don't have much issue with it, despite it really just being more window dressing- as is most "security" that you see.  To be honest though, to get to Orlando for last year's SHOT they had me remove my belt, shoes and hat, pull my laptop out of my bag, empty my pockets and so on.  Since they had bumped me to a later flight, I then had to run like hell to make my connection to Orlando, so as soon as I was clear of the scanner I grabbed my stuff and started running, stopping to get dressed only on the moving sidewalks.  Between "security" and the moving sidewalks I am sure most folks in the airport got more than just a peek at more than they wanted, and were pretty well all certain I wasn't concealing anything!

Def

[PyroJames]

We need body scanners like the ones in Total Recall:


No semi-naked bodies, just skeletons and foreign objects.

[thebullfrog]

A LOT of people will take issue with it. Frankly I couldn't care less. Don't get me wrong, I'm fairly self-conscious and not entirely comfortable with my body. But lets be honest, I'm just one of eighty gazillion grainy black and white images that some person has to stare at for a second or two. Nobody is really going to be sitting back there "checking me out" or anything. I mean seriously, that person has to sit there and stare at thousands of these "nude" images all day. 10 sec. after I pass through I'll be completely forgotten about.

Okay, so maybe women may have a bit more of an issue seeing as it'll most likely be a guy watching it monitor, and let's be honest we do tend to drool a lot. But again, it'll last the 5 seconds until the next woman passes through. And let's be honest hear, it's the US, we're all fat and lazy, and generally unattractive anyway right? lol

[Grant Lamontagne]

In today's day and age, and especially given the amount of care and precision involved in selecting security personnel at the airports  I would worry that any nudes/semi nude or blurry images would end up on a sick fetish website somewhere or another.  I wouldn't put it past many of the guards I have worked with in the past to do something like that.

Def

[thebullfrog]

Well yeah, that is true. But it'll be some niche fetish site most people will never see.If someone really wants to whack off to a blurry grainy monochrome image of my fat, jiggly, not so especially endowed self, then have at it lol.

[Whoey]

* Whoey runs off to register fbs-nudes.com

[Freudian Frog]

Worst comes to worst, Whoey, you can take regular nude photos, invert the colors, and paste little black spots for belt bucklets and random pocket stuff.

Wonder if I can get away with striking poses in the scanners.

[thebullfrog]

LMAO

[Grant Lamontagne]

Well yeah, that is true. But it'll be some niche fetish site most people will never see.If someone really wants to whack off to a blurry grainy monochrome image of my fat, jiggly, not so especially endowed self, then have at it lol.

You?  Probably not.  Me?  Definitely not.  Lots of women, including your girlfriend, wife, daughter etc?  Very possible.  How would you feel if you were causally surfing and came up with an image of your girlfriend (or worse) online, naked and a little fuzzy? 

Def

[thebullfrog]

I was being sarcastic Def 

It is a valid concern. But then let's be honest, there is already little to no privacy left in the world. I mean I read an article the other day about a traffic cam in the UK being pointed into a woman's bedroom window, any one of us could spend a few bucks on a small spycam and post video of whoever the crap we wanted online. Camera phones, security camera footage being leaked, etc. etc. Every time some new technology comes along involving recording images of people and theoretically posting it on the internet, people freak the Hell out. I mean we all know about what's her name, the ESPN chick that got recorded through her hotel room door. Fact is we have little to no real privacy to begin with. No amount of bitching is going to turn back the clock. Is there a chance I could be surfing the internet "casually" and somehow come across a body scan image of my little sister? Maybe, but not very likely. It's just as likely for me to find some video of her sleeping with her boyfriend that he decided to put up online. I'd have to be A- looking for that sort of thing, and B- get pretty "lucky" to happen across that one image. Is there a potential for abuse? Yes. Will it happen? Almost assuredly. Will it be some widespread problem where we are going to start seeing our loved one's (or our own) image scans posted all over the net? No. It's not going to happen. Yes it is an unsettling thought, but in my mind no more unsettling than the ability for my neighbor to set up a camera looking across the street into my bedroom window and putting the video on some P2P network.

Now do I REALLY want to go through the airport with my girlfriend knowing full damn well that someone in some room is going to  be seeing her essentially nude. No, I really don't like the thought. But it's not like hes going to have some super detailed image of her to whack off to. And you know what? I'd rather somebody get a quick, undetailed, monochrome glance at her nipples, and then see that the dude behind her in line has a fiberglass knife under his shirt that he was planning on stabbing our pilot with, than avoid a small brief indignity and wind up a stain on the side of a skyscraper somewhere.

[DaveK]

Just remember to pout and wink for the camera as you go through

This is another pointless scheme clearly, but it can't be worse than the pathetic situation we have now getting through airport security. If it means I'm going to spend less time queuing and removing belt, shoes etc - then bring it on.

[thebullfrog]

Yeah pretty much. Will it be a bit more effective than what we have now? Maybe. Certainly can't be any worse that's for damn sure. If it even keeps the level of security equal to now, and speeds up efficiency, that's a good thing. And really i think it is more effective than what we have now in some regards. It's hard to really fully "search" every passenger effectively, as we've all seen of late. Guards get lazy, or apathetic. Streamlining the process for them may very well make it less likely they'll make mistakes. Can they miss something? Of course they can. But they are less likely to miss a fairly obvious image on the scanner than they are to miss something during a half-assed search of the belongings and person of everyone through the gate.

[nuphoria]

I'm not sure I understand the point of this when they let some wannabe bomber on the known blacklist on a plane anyway.... am I missing something basics here?  

It seems too easy to get past what they consider to be high security measures anyway, and it's certainly not going to prevent those who are determined to cancel their plans it is?

[thebullfrog]

Does banning knives in the UK stop people from getting stabbed left and right?

[DaveK]

Does banning knives in the UK stop people from getting stabbed left and right?

Depends who you ask!

[thebullfrog]

I really don't think that scanners will make much if any difference in security. However, given the potential for added safety I'm willing to give it a try. The (hopefully) improvement in efficiency could be a a huge benefit. Added speed and efficiency, combined with the possibility of at least slightly increased security? I think I'm okay with that.

[jzmtl]

I really don't think that scanners will make much if any difference in security. However, given the potential for added safety I'm willing to give it a try. The (hopefully) improvement in efficiency could be a a huge benefit. Added speed and efficiency, combined with the possibility of at least slightly increased security? I think I'm okay with that.

That's exactly the type of attitude that will turn the entire world into 1984, and as one of the founding member of your nation said, those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security.

[DaveK]

Yeah, but I f***king hate queuing in airports - it drives me mental.

[ringzero]

If they were actually serious about improving security, they'd hire Israeli security personel and then give them free rein.

Imaging may be marginally useful, but probably falls more into the category of "Security Theater."

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[thebullfrog]

I really don't think that scanners will make much if any difference in security. However, given the potential for added safety I'm willing to give it a try. The (hopefully) improvement in efficiency could be a a huge benefit. Added speed and efficiency, combined with the possibility of at least slightly increased security? I think I'm okay with that.

That's exactly the type of attitude that will turn the entire world into 1984, and as one of the founding member of your nation said, those who give up their liberty for more security neither deserve liberty nor security.

Okay first of all, you're making a pretty damn big jump here. There are a LOT of things this country does in the name of "security" that I don't agree with. Including a certain war we started a few years ago. But that's a different rant. I fully 100% agree that giving up a liberty for security is wrong. But you are failing to see that this is not giving up a liberty. What liberty is it giving up? Walking through a glorified X-ray machine is a lot less invasive than having to strip half my freaking clothes off in public in front of a thousand people, being patted down by a complete stranger at least once, and if he's having a bad day, being hauled off and strip searched. And what about women? How do they feel about being strip searched and patted down by these "security" personnel? If I were a woman I'd much rather walk through that scanner than suffer the indignities that so many women deal with every time they board a plane. How many stories have we heard of women being improperly searched. Like the story of the woman who's underwire kept setting off the detectors so they strip searched her. Or another one where she was told she wasn't allowed to wear her bra onto the plane? The scanner sounds a Hell of a lot more liberating if you ask me.