does this exist: UK legal Damascus folder?

[Raukodur]

Just wondering, anyone know if its possible to acquire a UK legal (so less than 3 inches blade length, no locking) folding knife, made of damascus steel? For less than £100?

[Benner]

Really you'll be looking at custom slippies and at that price, no.

That's just my experience though.  Someone else may know different.

[John]

 damascus DOUK DOUK but way above your £100 I'm afraid 

[Magnus]

all I could find on heinnies was this, It is a little over your budget, and personally I think it is fugly.

[Poncho65]

Hen and Rooster does a few in damascus most of them are lockbacks but a few of them are traditional slippies Hope this link takes you there Plus I have no idea about the conversion and how hard they are to get in UK so sorry about that

http://www.henandrooster.com/default.aspx?listtype=category&listvalue=traditional+patterns|damascus&sortby=activefrom

[DaveK]

all I could find on heinnies was this, It is a little over your budget, and personally I think it is fugly.

It looks like one of those big pegs they use for marquees and such 

[Raukodur]

dont know if this is locking or not (doesnt say, so maybe assume not), what do you think about this:

http://www.topgunclothing.com/index.cgi?product=Accessories&prt=6-10040&xm=1&d=7&mid=SM7714&tp=1&cart_id=7936399_15613

[Benner]

That has a back lock on it.

[DaveK]

That has a back lock on it.

Beat me to it. It's looks cute though.

Raukodur - just buy a regular knife and ger a black felt tip pen

[Mr. Whippy]

Y'all should just fix that bad law thingie, that you have going on over there.  Just sayin'...

[nuphoria]

That has a back lock on it.

Yep, like he said. You can see it on the back spine of the knife. In most cases (I can think of one exception, but not the bloody name!), if you see that notch, it's a locker.

[Benner]

You thinking of the Moki Thuja slippy?

[Neil]

all I could find on heinnies was this, It is a little over your budget, and personally I think it is fugly.

It looks like one of those big pegs they use for marquees and such 

I quite like it     A tad pricey though.

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

There was a William Henry Slippy that was Damascus, But I've no idea how much it cost now

[Benner]

There was a William Henry Slippy that was Damascus, But I've no idea how much it cost now

Mega bucks I expect. 

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

There was a William Henry Slippy that was Damascus, But I've no idea how much it cost now

Mega bucks I expect. 

They had a group buy on them over on BB a few years back via charity I think and if I remember rightly it came to just over £100

[Benner]

Got a feeling they are silly money now.    They certainly are over here. 

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Got a feeling they are silly money now.    They certainly are over here. 

Oh God yes

[Magnus]

Y'all should just fix that bad law thingie, that you have going on over there.  Just sayin'...

and how exactly do you propose we do that?

it is bloody stupid, especially since parliament specifically said they intended locking folders to be legal. 

[AHB]

Y'all should just fix that bad law thingie, that you have going on over there.  Just sayin'...

and how exactly do you propose we do that?

it is bloody stupid, especially since parliament specifically said they intended locking folders to be legal. 

Just wait, they'll take away your OH's also..

[DaveK]

I can't see any major changes to our knife laws in the near future to be honest.

Whilst it's irritating that we can't carry a locking blades, the evidence seems to be that the "reason and discretion" method is actually working quite well.

It's easy for us to forget on forums like this that we DO HAVE a problem with "knife crime" in this country, it can't be denied. People are getting stabbed and dying and it needs to be addressed at very least.

Although we "enthusiasts" realise that this is mostly down to kids with cheap Rambo knives and kitchen cutlery, our existing laws will already allow the police and authorities to deal with the real problem as the laws stand. Changing legislation is an expensive business, and wouldn't actually make much difference to the problem in hand - so I'd be surprised if anything changes soon.

I could be wrong of course, but I would have thought that things were going to be changed, it would have happened by now.

[yud]

I don't know what shiping would be but SMKW has Bear and sons Slip joints for under $100

http://www.smkw.com/webapp/eCommerce/prodlist.jsp?filter=&PriceEnd=&CatalogName=&list=50&Feature=&SearchText=Damascus&Cat=&Mode=Text&Brand=&PriceStart=&range=51

[Raukodur]

wow, quite a lot of relatively cheap damascus (or should I say pattern welded steel / damascus lookalike) items in that store.

If I am not able to find what I am looking for in Pakistan, I will definitely think about ordering something from SMKW.

Edit: modified the search, so only non-locking, damascus folders show:

http://www.smkw.com/webapp/eCommerce/prodlist.jsp?Mode=Cat&Brand=&CatalogName=&PriceStart=&PriceEnd=&Feature=&Cat=83&filter=&SearchText=damascus&list=50

[Mr. Whippy]

I can't see any major changes to our knife laws in the near future to be honest.

Whilst it's irritating that we can't carry a locking blades, the evidence seems to be that the "reason and discretion" method is actually working quite well.

It's easy for us to forget on forums like this that we DO HAVE a problem with "knife crime" in this country, it can't be denied. People are getting stabbed and dying and it needs to be addressed at very least.

Although we "enthusiasts" realise that this is mostly down to kids with cheap Rambo knives and kitchen cutlery, our existing laws will already allow the police and authorities to deal with the real problem as the laws stand. Changing legislation is an expensive business, and wouldn't actually make much difference to the problem in hand - so I'd be surprised if anything changes soon.

I could be wrong of course, but I would have thought that things were going to be changed, it would have happened by now.

I don't have any real answers for you on this.  Really logic and reason are the only ways to deal with Idiocracy.

If someone wants to stab another, there's always icepicks, screwdrivers, Bits of sheet metal, etc.  Knives are illegal in prisons here, but shankings are a BIG problem there.

If y'all had a problem with kids accidentally stabbing themselves, I could see the value of restrictions, but honestly, the ease with which a stabbing weapon can be fashioned suggests to me that the UK carry laws are silly at best.

[DaveK]

We focus on knives in our discussions here Mr. Whippy, but of course the laws restricting what we can carry aren't limited to knives. Any weapon that has been fashioned from anything is just as illegal as a knife, and as with knives, any "innocent" object that could be used as a weapon might require some explanation of a valid reason to be carrying it.

The only thing that is a bit "silly" about our laws is the bit that prohibits the carrying of locking blades, but as has been said - this is believed to be unintentional and was likely determined as precedent by some lawyer or copper trying to get some little toe-rag convicted. Evidence suggests that you are very unlikely to be arrested for carrying a locking blade anyway, unless of course you deserve it due to waving it about or stabbing someone.

So, I don't think our laws are silly at all, albeit that there are some unplanned side effects that don't make a great deal of sense (i.e. the rules on locking blades). The violent crimes and murder stats in the UK are, like it or not, some testament to the fact that we're not that far off the mark at all compared to many other developed countries. The recent media hysteria here has started to subside and the police seem to be making good progress clamping down on the idiots who give decent knife carrying folk a bad name. Pretty soon, I'll be able to be a bit less paranoid about carrying my Leatherman Charge.

[Raukodur]

Evidence suggests that you are very unlikely to be arrested for carrying a locking blade anyway, unless of course you deserve it due to waving it about or stabbing someone.

How on earth can you risk this though, especially with a folding knife as opposed to, e.g. a multitool.

Say I wanted to get a LM klamath / nehalem / selway (which I do, but I wont because of the law)

All of those models have 4 inch locking blades.

If you get stopped, and the police happen to notice you have one of those, I dont see how you could explain yourself. Or maybe you are saying the chances are you wouldnt get stopped unless you are doing something stupid in the first place? That is of course true, but the one day it happens for some odd reason or other, you are facing the possibility of a jail sentence or a hefty fine, with possible life ruining consequences.

Of course, if you just meant multitools, I agree with you, in that I would actually carry my spirit out in public even though it does have a locking blade, since it is so obviously a multitool which happens to have all locking tools, and one of those is a knife, rather than being primarily an implement to stab people.

[Mr. Whippy]

Evidence suggests that you are very unlikely to be arrested for carrying a locking blade anyway, unless of course you deserve it due to waving it about or stabbing someone.

How on earth can you risk this though, especially with a folding knife as opposed to, e.g. a multitool.

Say I wanted to get a LM klamath / nehalem / selway (which I do, but I wont because of the law)

All of those models have 4 inch locking blades.

If you get stopped, and the police happen to notice you have one of those, I dont see how you could explain yourself. Or maybe you are saying the chances are you wouldnt get stopped unless you are doing something stupid in the first place? That is of course true, but the one day it happens for some odd reason or other, you are facing the possibility of a jail sentence or a hefty fine, with possible life ruining consequences.

Of course, if you just meant multitools, I agree with you, in that I would actually carry my spirit out in public even though it does have a locking blade, since it is so obviously a multitool which happens to have all locking tools, and one of those is a knife, rather than being primarily an implement to stab people.

That's not what my locking folders are for. 

Good news is, the Razels would be ok since they have no point and therefore aren't all that stabby. 

[DaveK]

How on earth can you risk this though, especially with a folding knife as opposed to, e.g. a multitool.

Say I wanted to get a LM klamath / nehalem / selway (which I do, but I wont because of the law)

All of those models have 4 inch locking blades.

Why on earth would you want to carry a knife like that down the high street?

Although, the law will allow you to own and carry those knives provided you are on your way to go hunting. A three inch blade done well, would cover most things surely?

Our laws aren't as bad as people sometimes make out, they are reasonable. Except for the locking blade bit

[Raukodur]

well, its not so much the size of the blade, 3 inches would be fine, its the gut / cutting hook config and implementation, as well as the shape of the whole thing which i like. Havent seen any uk legal which has the same setup (and i dont like the knives where the cutting hook is put at the back of the knife blade, makes the knife look ugly)

[Benner]

How on earth can you risk this though, especially with a folding knife as opposed to, e.g. a multitool.

Say I wanted to get a LM klamath / nehalem / selway (which I do, but I wont because of the law)

All of those models have 4 inch locking blades.

Why on earth would you want to carry a knife like that down the high street?

Although, the law will allow you to own and carry those knives provided you are on your way to go hunting. A three inch blade done well, would cover most things surely?

Our laws aren't as bad as people sometimes make out, they are reasonable. Except for the locking blade bit

Although we all have a good old moan up at times (we are allowed to as we are British  ) Dave is actually right on this one.  There has been many many discussions, usually involving myself, about the carry of lockers and how public perception (including coppers) of a knife is equally important as the letter of the law in my book (many disagree though).  Carrying a 4" locker is just begging for trouble, but I'd never worry really about carrying a locking multitool or in some areas locking knives that aren't uber tactical or stupidly long.  A good example is the Fallkniven U2.  It has a wee blade and looks a bit wooly.  Although it locks, you have got to be incredibly unlucky to be firstly stopped, and then searched, and then the knife found, and then for them to deem it "dangerous", and then to find it locks, and then to not believe your reason for carry, and then deem it worthy to go to the trouble of going through the legal channels.  Those are a lot of steps.

IMO don't act like a prat and don't be ridiculous in your carry or where you carry and you are pretty safe.