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Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth 102072

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #120 on: April 14, 2009, 10:23:15 PM »
Ah I see. I'm with you now.

Nah, I'm touting this one around :D


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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #121 on: April 14, 2009, 10:24:15 PM »
Ah I see. I'm with you now.

Nah, I'm touting this one around :D



I'm not sure I have anything you require  :think:


Dunc
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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #122 on: April 14, 2009, 10:29:37 PM »
I'm not even sure what I want, so what chance do you stand?  :think:

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #123 on: July 20, 2009, 01:27:47 PM »
Graet thread this, thanks, Dunc :tu:

Just dated mine as a '99 :)

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #124 on: July 20, 2009, 01:45:50 PM »
Graet thread this, thanks, Dunc :tu:

Just dated mine as a '99 :)
+1 on what he said..  :tu:
Both mine are from ´98...


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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #125 on: August 27, 2009, 08:06:38 PM »
Does anybody know if the pliers on the swisstool spirit have changed since they where introduced?
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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #126 on: August 29, 2009, 01:08:31 AM »
AFIK , no changes in the Spirit's pliers , guess they got it right the first time . The Spirit is a truly remarkable tool !

The one plier head variant I am aware of is the blasting cap crimper version , made for the Swiss military , the overun has been sold on the civilian market , at premium prices .

Chris
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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #127 on: August 29, 2009, 02:01:41 AM »
AFIK , no changes in the Spirit's pliers , guess they got it right the first time . The Spirit is a truly remarkable tool !

The one plier head variant I am aware of is the blasting cap crimper version , made for the Swiss military , the overun has been sold on the civilian market , at premium prices .

Chris

What he said. :salute:

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #128 on: October 12, 2009, 06:12:00 PM »
I've got two Swisstools with 98 plier heads and pre hard wire notch , the strange thing is the colour of the metel in the plier heads looks different  :think: One has a slight gold tinge to it . Its quite noticable when the two are side by side .Although the photo isnt that good you can still see a difference . Any ideas , did Vic change metal or methods some how  :think: ?apart from this both heads are identical

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #129 on: October 14, 2009, 05:50:06 PM »
I've got two Swisstools with 98 plier heads and pre hard wire notch , the strange thing is the colour of the metel in the plier heads looks different  :think: One has a slight gold tinge to it . Its quite noticable when the two are side by side .Although the photo isnt that good you can still see a difference . Any ideas , did Vic change metal or methods some how  :think: ?apart from this both heads are identical

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #130 on: October 14, 2009, 05:52:39 PM »
Hope it's got nothing to do with the Yellow Snow Syndrome... :D
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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #131 on: November 04, 2009, 04:44:11 PM »
Hi Dunc

I got a Spirit with that gold/bronze colour. The color is inside the plier jaws and on the attachement to the handles, alittle hard to explain. My computer will not permit me to send a picture. You are not alone wondering!
It looks to be a layer or a coating over the stainless, maybe for protection or maybe not  :think:

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #132 on: November 05, 2009, 01:42:09 PM »
Hi

The gold/bronze color can be Teflon coating for protection.

NM

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #133 on: November 11, 2009, 10:04:45 AM »
Hi

I just got a e-mail from Victorinox Kundenservice about the reason for the gold/bronze color on some plier heads.

It is from the hardening and annealing process, some batches have to be hardened and annealed at a different temperature. It does not affect the quality of the plier.

NM

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #134 on: November 11, 2009, 02:47:59 PM »
Hi

I just got a e-mail from Victorinox Kundenservice about the reason for the gold/bronze color on some plier heads.

It is from the hardening and annealing process, some batches have to be hardened and annealed at a different temperature. It does not affect the quality of the plier.

NM
thats interesting , thanks for sharing  :tu:


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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #135 on: November 14, 2009, 03:58:30 PM »
Yes, thanks North Man :)

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #136 on: November 17, 2009, 07:24:53 PM »
...hmmm, seems I have a '98 ST.

ST RS left, Spirit right.
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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #137 on: November 18, 2009, 01:58:28 PM »
I was just wondering (sorry if this has been asked before)... We know why Vic changed their pliers head orientation to the "right jaw on top" configuration, and SOG has it like that since day one (it would by nice if someone form SOG could verify that they've chosen this orientation for a similar reason). But the other big players (cf. LM and Gerber) and mostly all single-use pliers use the "older" configuration. Why is that? I mean, if the new configuration actually adds to the tool's strength, why haven't traditional pliers manufacturers also moved to it over time?
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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #138 on: November 27, 2009, 07:15:39 PM »
Anyone? :pok: :pok: :pok:
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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #139 on: November 28, 2009, 04:34:53 AM »
I'm hoping somebody really smart will be along soon with an answer. :)

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #140 on: November 28, 2009, 08:39:27 AM »
I'm hoping somebody really smart will be along soon with an answer. :)

Me too .

Sorry buddy but I don't know  :think:  Have you thought about an email to Leatherman asking them ?

Dunc
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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #141 on: November 29, 2009, 07:55:46 PM »
I haven't thought of contacting LM but this is a more generic question tbh. I mean, even standard pliers are made the LM and Gerber way. If it was indeed better the other way, wouldn't tool manufacturers have made the move first?
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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #142 on: November 29, 2009, 07:59:44 PM »
I haven't thought of contacting LM but this is a more generic question tbh. I mean, even standard pliers are made the LM and Gerber way. If it was indeed better the other way, wouldn't tool manufacturers have made the move first?


Do do have a good point there 


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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #143 on: January 21, 2010, 06:56:48 PM »
no one found out the answer to this yet?
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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #144 on: January 21, 2010, 07:10:09 PM »
No but i've only ever seen one broken Swisstool plier head on the internet  :D


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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #145 on: January 21, 2010, 08:09:17 PM »
I'm guessing they just don't wanna pay out the money for a barely noticable increase in performance.

Would be most logical, assuming they know about the issue.

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #146 on: January 22, 2010, 11:59:40 PM »
I wonder if they are confident that their pliers can take it.

I don't mean that to sound provocative, but maybe Leatherman and Gerber pliers are tougher at the pivot than the Vics. If they thought there was merit in changing, then they've had several new plier heads to effect the design change, but they didn't.

It looks as though it doesn't concern them.

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #147 on: January 23, 2010, 12:00:04 PM »
maybe its patented? :S

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #148 on: May 19, 2010, 09:13:32 AM »
Hey, this could explain why the jaws on the Crunch line up so poorly! The jaws may be designed to be straighter while unscrewing a bolt! Yeah, that's it.

FYI, the jaws on the Crunch are oriented the same as the Swisstools. RH, LH, whichever one that is.
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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #149 on: May 19, 2010, 10:17:46 AM »
im not sure what pliers head is on the one Neil is sending,i must admit that i find the LM needle pliers very handy for holding fiddly stuff and getting into small places, ive never broken and pliers heads so far as dont puch them too hard, but the swisstools pliers do look meaty  :tu:

 

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