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Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth 102029

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #50 on: December 16, 2007, 07:03:26 PM »
One simply says "Oh Tim, I need the one with the ratchet" if one wants the one with the ratchet.  If one wants the one with the wrench, one merely needs to say "Oh Tim, can I get the one with the wrench?"

Def

Looks like Tim is all out of Swisstools :-X

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #51 on: December 16, 2007, 10:27:23 PM »
Send him an email- he doesn't always have time to keep his shop updated.

Def

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #52 on: December 17, 2007, 12:06:30 AM »
Send him an email- he doesn't always have time to keep his shop updated.

Def

I did,...I think he said he's placing another order at the beginning of the year.

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #53 on: December 17, 2007, 12:17:46 AM »
I think Tim is financially overextended with all those orders he placed with Amazon! It's a good news for all the folks on the other side of the pond, since Amazon does not ship overseas...
« Last Edit: December 17, 2007, 12:27:31 AM by ufox9al »

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Alexei
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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #54 on: December 19, 2007, 10:11:47 PM »
at first, when I see BO x-Tool (Swiss, and others) I think, is that a tool someone doesn't like/care for?
then I figure it out but it always takes me a few seconds  :think:

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #55 on: December 22, 2007, 01:44:48 PM »
Great info there!  Looks like I have a '98 SwissTool X...  Nice to know. =)
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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #56 on: December 23, 2007, 03:33:20 AM »
I noticed SOG tools have this same type of plier head. Which came first with this idea? Victorinox or SOG?
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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #57 on: December 23, 2007, 04:00:41 AM »
I noticed SOG tools have this same type of plier head. Which came first with this idea? Victorinox or SOG?

Good grief, I never realized that!  :P

According to the Multitool Timeline, the SwissTool came out in 1997, while the SOG ParaTool was introduced five years ealier in 1992. Looks like first on the scene with opposite hand plier jaws would therefore be SOG.


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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #58 on: December 23, 2007, 09:29:22 AM »
I noticed SOG tools have this same type of plier head. Which came first with this idea? Victorinox or SOG?

Well spotted  ;)

Dunc
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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #59 on: December 23, 2007, 03:34:59 PM »
Thanks :D

To me, the plier head used is either going to be weak when loosening or weak when tightening. How many people have actually had their tools break because of the old design pliers?
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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #60 on: December 23, 2007, 03:44:04 PM »
Thanks :D

To me, the plier head used is either going to be weak when loosening or weak when tightening. How many people have actually had their tools break because of the old design pliers?

I've never had a break, but I've seen at least two old Leatherman PST's with plier pivots that were sprung. The tips of the needlenose jaws no longer lined up as a result. It seems likely that this was caused by trying to loosen a stuck bolt with the pliers.

(But you are absolutely correct, if the jaws were opposite handed, the same thing could have happened while tightening a bolt. :-\


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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #61 on: December 23, 2007, 04:02:17 PM »
Thanks :D

To me, the plier head used is either going to be weak when loosening or weak when tightening. How many people have actually had their tools break because of the old design pliers?

while I've heard about quite a few other brand tools plier heads breaking the only Swisstool pliers I have heard about was a guy on Bladeforums who had a relation who used a Swisstool to hold things while welding and while there were no photos to confirm the story I can easily believe it due to the heat involved with welding . The temper of the steel must have been changed and I think it wouldnt have made any difference what tool the guy had used the result would have been the same .Apart from that I have never known anyone to break the pliers on a Swisstool . Come to think of it I dont know anyone to have broken any tools on a swisstool , apart from me  :D when I bent the screwdriver/caplifter using it as a prybar  :D  Yes I know theres a dedicated prybar on the tool but I didnt use it at the time  ::) Still i bent it back straight and its just as normal as ever  :D


Dunc
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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #62 on: December 24, 2007, 02:58:53 AM »
That doesn't surprise me. I would be more inclined to think that the weakest point on these tools would be where the plier heads are attached to the handles, and even then they'd be pretty tough.
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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #63 on: January 26, 2008, 11:12:50 AM »
Just took a couple of pics that I think you may find interesting

The oldest Swisstool is in the left on both pictures . In the first photo both pliers are FULLY open and the second pic FULLY closed . Seems to me the older plier head out performs the newer one in terms of opening and comfort when gripping something because the handles are closer together





Dunc
« Last Edit: December 02, 2008, 09:28:12 AM by dunc5 »
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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #64 on: January 26, 2008, 10:32:04 PM »
Interesting! I wonder if this is a result of thickening of the plier jaws at the base of the new model?

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Alexei
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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #65 on: June 02, 2008, 07:34:59 AM »
Is it just my eyes or does the new head's pivot pin look smaller in diameter?
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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #66 on: July 24, 2008, 09:52:06 PM »
I really appreciate this thread. The photo of all the Swisstool versions and the detail discussed here is helpful.
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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #67 on: July 26, 2008, 10:57:29 AM »
Is it just my eyes or does the new head's pivot pin look smaller in diameter?

The pivot pin on the newer heads look smaller indeed...  :o
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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #68 on: August 01, 2008, 10:14:55 PM »
I have never known anyone to break the pliers on a Swisstool .

here's proof we live in a fallen world.....

http://forum.multitool.org/index.php/topic,4509.0.html
« Last Edit: August 01, 2008, 10:19:26 PM by carl »

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #69 on: August 02, 2008, 12:35:34 AM »
The posting with the picture has expired.

We do have a picture of the owner:

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #70 on: August 02, 2008, 10:04:28 AM »
 :D :D :D

I think it would take king kong to break a Swisstool :o :o

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #71 on: August 24, 2008, 06:04:05 AM »
I agree, personally I suspect that Leatherman photo shopped the broken SwissTool in a futile effort to establish thier product superiority. I will say this I do miss the Longer Reach on the Leatherman sometimes.

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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #72 on: September 14, 2008, 08:21:35 AM »
I think it's cool that apparently a member of the founder's family is answering emails.

Chad
 
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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #73 on: September 14, 2008, 08:25:31 AM »
Welcome aboard ChadHahn !
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Re: Different Swisstool plier heads , the truth
« Reply #74 on: September 14, 2008, 09:01:53 AM »
I think it's cool that apparently a member of the founder's family is answering emails.

Chad
 

Welcome buddy  :D Where you from ?


Dunc

 

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