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Re: I'm done with Gerber
Reply #30 on: January 13, 2011, 08:52:22 PM
The real problem is the trend of Gerber cutting corners to boost profits.  :-\  I also don't like the fact that they "borrow" other peoples designs. I think it speaks volumes about the company as a whole.
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Re: I'm done with Gerber
Reply #31 on: January 13, 2011, 08:55:12 PM
They did do replaceable cutters before Leatherman...Just saying. ;)

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Re: I'm done with Gerber
Reply #32 on: January 13, 2011, 08:57:05 PM
They did do replaceable cutters before Leatherman...Just saying. ;)

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Good point!   :D  :D

Too bad the same can't be said about the Atwood XL Prybaby.   ::)
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Re: I'm done with Gerber
Reply #33 on: January 13, 2011, 09:02:01 PM
They did do replaceable cutters before Leatherman...Just saying. ;)

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Good point!   :D  :D

Too bad the same can't be said about the Atwood XL Prybaby.   ::)

That one I'll concede without argument.  :salute:
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Re: I'm done with Gerber
Reply #34 on: January 13, 2011, 09:28:22 PM
I really look forward to getting my Gerber MultiPliers..  :gimme: :gimme:


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Re: I'm done with Gerber
Reply #35 on: January 13, 2011, 09:38:32 PM
I really look forward to getting my Gerber MultiPliers..  :gimme: :gimme:

Me too!   :D
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Re: I'm done with Gerber
Reply #36 on: January 13, 2011, 09:39:45 PM
I really look forward to getting my Gerber MultiPliers..  :gimme: :gimme:

Me too!   :D
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Re: I'm done with Gerber
Reply #37 on: January 14, 2011, 01:01:28 AM
I am stil keen too nab a Grappler  :ahhh :ahhh & my mp600's are solid as  :tu: :tu:

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Re: I'm done with Gerber
Reply #38 on: January 14, 2011, 01:08:01 AM
Gerber for me used to be one of the top in the multitool food chain, but now  :( don't get me wrong its not all bad the designs are very good, some are great but the build quality they log behind the build quality of SAKs and LMs that they can't even taste the dust behind them because it has settled.
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Re: I'm done with Gerber
Reply #39 on: January 14, 2011, 01:21:14 AM
When I inquired last year, I was informed that both the 400 and the 600 were still USA made.
I'm glad to hear that. This is one time I would gladly be proven wrong. :oops:
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Re: I'm done with Gerber
Reply #40 on: January 16, 2011, 11:35:42 PM
I own the Gerber Suspension, the Swisstool X and the LM Wave.  The one I'd trust the most is the Swisstool.  That said, the best VALUE hands down is the Suspension.  You can get a Suspension for about $25 here in the US right now.  You get a LIFETIME warranty to boot.  The other tools can cost three or four times that much and the LM doesn't have a LT warranty.  When you handle all three tools, the Suspension seems the most refined too.

Everyone always seems to forget what they paid when comparing these tools.


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Re: I'm done with Gerber
Reply #41 on: January 17, 2011, 12:13:25 AM
I own the Gerber Suspension, the Swisstool X and the LM Wave.  The one I'd trust the most is the Swisstool.  That said, the best VALUE hands down is the Suspension.  You can get a Suspension for about $25 here in the US right now.  You get a LIFETIME warranty to boot.  The other tools can cost three or four times that much and the LM doesn't have a LT warranty.  When you handle all three tools, the Suspension seems the most refined too.

Everyone always seems to forget what they paid when comparing these tools.

Sorry scissorhands, but I completely disagree. I've got the Swisstool X (with the extra wrench set and corkscrew) and the Gerber Suspension too. I haven't got the Wave, but I have got two other LM tools (and was highly disappointed with both of them) so I'll just compare the Swisstool to the Suspension.

The Swisstool (here) is approx 3 to 4 times the price of a Suspension, but with a greatly improved toolset. Stronger pliers, smooth tool operation, fully working tools, and great reliability. For me the suspension has less function in respect of tool choices, a far less smooth operation, a vertually unusable saw, the can opener made me wince as I was using it as I was convinced it was going to snap, the tools are tight, the knives are smaller and less useful (to me) and the tool over all gives me very little confidence. I personally feel the Swisstool is 10 times the versatility/capability and gives me 10 times more confidence than the suspension, so for only 3 to 4 times the price, the Swisstool for me is FAR better value.  :tu:

I also have no idea how you find the suspension more refined than the Vic  ???
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Re: I'm done with Gerber
Reply #42 on: January 17, 2011, 02:14:09 AM
I own the Gerber Suspension, the Swisstool X and the LM Wave.  The one I'd trust the most is the Swisstool.  That said, the best VALUE hands down is the Suspension.  You can get a Suspension for about $25 here in the US right now.  You get a LIFETIME warranty to boot.  The other tools can cost three or four times that much and the LM doesn't have a LT warranty.  When you handle all three tools, the Suspension seems the most refined too.

Everyone always seems to forget what they paid when comparing these tools.

It's nice that you have an opinion, but please remember that:
1.  Not everyone here is in the US and pricing differs drastically for items.  I can walk in to a retailer and pay much the same thing for a Gerber Suspension as I would for a Leatheman Blast and the Blast would destroy it.
2.  Value is in the eye of the beholder.  I bought a Gerber MP400 on the cheap on sale from a brick and mortar and had to almost immediately spend $15 to send it to the US for warranty issues.

But they, thanks for your opinion.


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Re: I'm done with Gerber
Reply #43 on: January 17, 2011, 02:23:31 AM
You're preaching to the choir when you say the Swisstool is better, but 10X better?  That seems to be a bit of a stretch IMO.   As for more refined, the handles on the Swisstool have much sharper edges and it looks pretty primitive as far as MT's go these days.  It may be a matter of personal preference but the Suspension just looks nicer.  It's definitely not targeted to the type of person who would join an online MT forum, but for the average Joe, it's great for the money.


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Re: I'm done with Gerber
Reply #44 on: January 17, 2011, 02:41:12 AM
It's nice that you have an opinion, but please remember that:
1.  Not everyone here is in the US and pricing differs drastically for items.  I can walk in to a retailer and pay much the same thing for a Gerber Suspension as I would for a Leatheman Blast and the Blast would destroy it.
2.  Value is in the eye of the beholder.  I bought a Gerber MP400 on the cheap on sale from a brick and mortar and had to almost immediately spend $15 to send it to the US for warranty issues.

But they, thanks for your opinion.

And thanks for yours.

I would never pay as much for a Suspension as I would for a Blast and I never put them on the same level.  That was sort of my whole point, so I'm not sure what point you're making.  As far as shipping cost, it would be the same for a Leatherman.  I had to ship my Leatherman back about a year ago and it was only about $5 for me though  :D.


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Re: I'm done with Gerber
Reply #45 on: January 17, 2011, 03:03:27 AM
scissorhands

Hear is the point, price is only one consideration for a tool, and once you own it a minor one.


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Re: I'm done with Gerber
Reply #46 on: January 17, 2011, 03:17:37 AM
scissorhands

Hear is the point, price is only one consideration for a tool, and once you own it a minor one.

Can you explain how it becomes minor after you buy it?  Maybe you're referring to a mail-in rebate?  I'm still short by the same amount of money that I was when I bought my tools. 


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Re: I'm done with Gerber
Reply #47 on: January 17, 2011, 03:20:31 AM
You get a LIFETIME warranty to boot.  The other tools can cost three or four times that much and the LM doesn't have a LT warranty.

Knowing LM though, if you send in a 26 or 27 year old tool (LM can't be much older than that) they will probably just repair it the same as a 1 year old tool. I highly doubt the 25 year warranty is actually different than Vic's lifetime warranty.


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Re: I'm done with Gerber
Reply #48 on: January 17, 2011, 09:04:59 AM
You're preaching to the choir when you say the Swisstool is better, but 10X better?  That seems to be a bit of a stretch IMO.   As for more refined, the handles on the Swisstool have much sharper edges and it looks pretty primitive as far as MT's go these days.  It may be a matter of personal preference but the Suspension just looks nicer.  It's definitely not targeted to the type of person who would join an online MT forum, but for the average Joe, it's great for the money.

I think I see your points. The Gerber is argueably more stylish with its laticework and handle sweeps, and yes is smoother in hand. As for the point of great for the average Joe, it was my disappointment in the Suspension that drove me to look deeper into the world of multitools and ultimately end up with a Swisstool - so I suppose I have to thank Gerber for that much  :D

I know we all value things differently, but for me the value REALLY IS that much higher on the Vic in so many ways. I felt I got less than I was signing up for when I got the Gerber, and felt I got MORE than I was signing up for when I bought the Vic. I must admit I do find it an attractive tool too, even though you can't get much boxier

scissorhands

Hear is the point, price is only one consideration for a tool, and once you own it a minor one.

It was actually a MAJOR one when I bought my Juice CS4 - had it have cost £20 I wouldn't have been nearly as disappointed with it.


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Re: I'm done with Gerber
Reply #49 on: January 17, 2011, 09:08:58 AM
i would imadgen so they are so good with there repairs.but dident know victorinox had a lifetime warenty on there items thats pretty cool.gerber though if i had to choose between gerber and leatherman leatherman would win everytime even with the extra cost.if i want one of the best tools for the job and somthing that will last better to  pay more money.quality not quantity.with me being a joiner i have good quality tools so i like to buy estwing ive never in my lie used a better quality hammer ive had it for years and years and still works spot on  uy a cheap hammer from b and q and watch it fall apart in minuites. same with drills etc i get so many people say why you buy dewalt i got a drill from x place for 15 quid.then when they go to use it and it makes a mess and wont drill through brick.
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Re: I'm done with Gerber
Reply #50 on: January 17, 2011, 03:36:51 PM
I don't get how money can be a minor concern after you own it. IF my Gerber breaks the first time I need it, then that money was a complete waste. If I spend more and my tool is there for me, time and time and time again, than the money was worth every penny.


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Re: I'm done with Gerber
Reply #51 on: January 17, 2011, 04:26:22 PM
To me price does not matter, after it is paid for it.  I don't care if I paided $2.00 (I love my $2 vic :D) or $200.00 that money is gone.  If the tool is crap it is my crap, if it is a jewel it is my jewel.  And either way I should have known before I got it.


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Re: I'm done with Gerber
Reply #52 on: January 17, 2011, 04:56:21 PM
If we don't count those extremely expensive anniversary models, all multitools are so inexpensive investments that I don't see any good reason to try save some bucks by buying something cheaper instead of the one you really want. It's those little luxuries I allow for myself. I also have noticed that I take much better care of things I have payed some serious money than those which I've got almost for free. But we all have our opinions, that's just mine.  :)


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Reply #53 on: January 18, 2011, 05:49:40 AM
Sounds like you have a lot of money to spen Yud. That's great. Some of us can't afford to spend money on much of anything, let alone something that winds up breaking


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Re: I'm done with Gerber
Reply #54 on: January 18, 2011, 04:48:55 PM
Me I want a gerber but every time I go to the store to buy one i look at the burred "Legendary Blade" and then all the rusty pics I see online and such mixed reviews I hold off again, it it hard to waste the money on a tool that may not last.
I do think money is a big factor, this money could get me something else that wont be a risk or even spent towards a much more pricey one.


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Reply #55 on: January 18, 2011, 05:46:16 PM
Sounds like you have a lot of money to spen Yud. That's great. Some of us can't afford to spend money on much of anything, let alone something that winds up breaking
No I don't, so before I buy somthing I do a lot of reseach so I don't end with a terd.  For example I wanted a SOG by reading I found out that the PPP has sheet metal handels (not ideal), and the paratool was cool but fiddly (so maybe sometime but not now) the PowerLock did not have these issuses.  as I recall the diffrence in price was $20-$30 and I got my Powerlock on sale.  So before I spend the money I am very carful and if I get carp (and I have) it is my own faualt.

The yud spending habits (in regarud to MT/SAKs)
I buy new only on vaction (only one and less than $50) or with gift money
I buy used (at fea markets or what ever) if I like it and under $10


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Reply #56 on: January 18, 2011, 06:22:48 PM
Then I fail to see how the price doesn't matter, especially if you claim to be that picky.
I'm 28. My average income since I was 16 has always been below 10k a year. I usually make closer to 8 grand a year. Well within the poverty line. When I moved all my belongings fit in the trunk of my car. The sum total of my entire amassed collection of belongings throughout 28 years basically fit inside of 4 boxes. Gives you an idea of how live? Now, when I look to buy something like a multi, I have to be extremely picky. I'm willing to pay more if it means it will last and do everything I need. If I buy something like a Suspension because it's affordable, but can never count on it, or have it flat out break, that is a huge problem for me, especially as I own very few "real" tools and rely on multis for almost everything, because I can't run out and buy a new set of wire strippers at a moments notice. I learned to make due with what little I have long ago. So I would gladly pay $80 on a Swisstool that I know will be there time and time again, because if I spend $20 on a Gerber, and it lets me down when I need it, just going to the toolbox, or running out to the store for a new tool is NOT an option for me. Those few times I have the money to buy myself something, I make sure I save for the quality tool, because it may be all I have. $20 on a broken tool is $20 I could and should have spent on food instead of a now useless piece of metal. $80 for a good tool is an investment that will last me many years. What you get for the money very, VERY much matters to me.


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Re: I'm done with Gerber
Reply #57 on: January 18, 2011, 06:26:23 PM

Well said thebullfrog

agreed tools should be built to last and money plays a factor! Huge factor for me.  Even a 20 doller POS can really annoy me.
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Re: I'm done with Gerber
Reply #58 on: January 18, 2011, 07:05:17 PM
Then I fail to see how the price doesn't matter, especially if you claim to be that picky.
I'm 28. My average income since I was 16 has always been below 10k a year. I usually make closer to 8 grand a year. Well within the poverty line. When I moved all my belongings fit in the trunk of my car. The sum total of my entire amassed collection of belongings throughout 28 years basically fit inside of 4 boxes. Gives you an idea of how live? Now, when I look to buy something like a multi, I have to be extremely picky. I'm willing to pay more if it means it will last and do everything I need. If I buy something like a Suspension because it's affordable, but can never count on it, or have it flat out break, that is a huge problem for me, especially as I own very few "real" tools and rely on multis for almost everything, because I can't run out and buy a new set of wire strippers at a moments notice. I learned to make due with what little I have long ago. So I would gladly pay $80 on a Swisstool that I know will be there time and time again, because if I spend $20 on a Gerber, and it lets me down when I need it, just going to the toolbox, or running out to the store for a new tool is NOT an option for me. Those few times I have the money to buy myself something, I make sure I save for the quality tool, because it may be all I have. $20 on a broken tool is $20 I could and should have spent on food instead of a now useless piece of metal. $80 for a good tool is an investment that will last me many years. What you get for the money very, VERY much matters to me.

Fully agree, well said!  :D


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Re: I'm done with Gerber
Reply #59 on: January 18, 2011, 10:25:09 PM
well said,

what I guess I am tiring to say is if I have $X for a mulitool so long as a tool is not more then $X price becomes a minor point because I am going to spend no more then $X. and it is up to me to spend x wisely.


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