Charge Ti is here

Grant Lamontagne · **on:** December 17, 2007, 02:36:13 AM

Oddly enough, it was delivered on a Sunday! It seems the mail is now running seven days a week in order to keep up with the Christmas rush, which surprised the heck out of me, but I wasn't complaining!

I have to say that I am pretty pleased with it so far. As some of you may remember, I wasn't overly thrilled with the XTi when I got it but the Ti is a horse of a different color alright. Most of the things I didn't care for with the XTi are not present here- the duplicate bit driver for example.

I'm still not thrilled with a dedicated flathead though- you have the bit driver, why a dedicated flathead? Also, it's the new scissor design, which I was expecting, so while I wasn't really disappointed, I still wasn't happy. I like the old folding scissors form the old Wave and PST II better, but I'll take what I can get. It's still better than the lack of any scissors on the XTi.

I'll EDC this one for a few days and give it a real shakedown. One thing I love is the sheaths that come with the Charge models. These leather sheaths are bulletproof, the way a multi sheath should be.

Anyone else have any thoughts on the now discontinued Charge Ti?

Def

Leatherman123 · **Reply #1 on:** December 17, 2007, 03:39:31 AM

I used to EDC a Ti for a good 5 months then I saw the SURGE!... I have all five charges and if I were to pick only one of them it would definitely be the TTi because a guthook, scissors, s30v, and titanium appeals to me! I wish the Ti had a guthook because I would rather 154cm blade steel because it isn't so hard to sharpen- but I'm not complaining!

Viking · **Reply #2 on:** December 17, 2007, 04:10:47 AM

I like the dedicated flathead,because I feel I can really bear down on tight screws and I also have used it as a prybar and scraper/chisel. Don't know if I would have used the bit driver for that. I have the Charge TTi and the xTi, and I carry the TTi and use the xTi as a backup in the truck.

Carthas · **Reply #3 on:** December 17, 2007, 05:49:01 AM

Well, it's not totally redundant. It is a little bigger than the flathead that is with the multibit driver, and you may have a bit ready to go that's not the phillips/flatblade one. I also agree with Viking's idea - it does make a better prybar than the multibit one.

I like the leather sheath's they used for the old waves better than the ones for the charge and new wave. I wish they would bring those back

WhichDawg · **Reply #4 on:** December 17, 2007, 06:43:19 AM

I really wanted a Ti or XTi or TTi but now that the skeletool is coming out,
I'm okay and would rather have that but congrats boss and I can't wait for the full review

prime77 · **Reply #5 on:** December 17, 2007, 07:48:46 AM

The Charge Ti is my favorite Charge model. I know that the Titanium scales don't provide much extra to the Charge over the Wave but I like them anyway. I used to agree about the new scissors over the old Wave and PST II but since leaning to make things out of paracord. I found that the old Wave scissors couldn't cut the paracord, they would "bind up" and not make a cut at all. While the new scissors would cut clean through. Just an observation.

Def just wondering. Does the diamond file grind against the titanium scale?

Carthas · **Reply #6 on:** December 17, 2007, 07:56:46 AM

Quote from: prime77 on December 17, 2007, 07:48:46 AM

Does the diamond file grind against the titanium scale?

I'd be interested in that too, as my Charge TTi does that.

dakotus · **Reply #7 on:** December 17, 2007, 10:23:02 AM

Quote from: Carthas on December 17, 2007, 07:56:46 AM

Quote from: prime77 on December 17, 2007, 07:48:46 AM
Does the diamond file grind against the titanium scale?

I'd be interested in that too, as my Charge TTi does that.

I have the grinding on mine too. Does anyone elses feel loose as well? (When the file isnt fully opened i mean)

Grant Lamontagne · **Reply #8 on:** December 17, 2007, 12:41:42 PM

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Does the diamond file grind against the titanium scale?

Unfortunately that seems to be a fault of the Charge line. I have 5 Charges now and they all do that. If they ever redesign and re-release the series again I'd really like to see some way of fixing that. If you pay extra for fancy materials like titanium, you don't want it ground away. Same with the AL/ALX models- about the only thing harder than the anodizing is the diamond file.

Def

Benner · **Reply #9 on:** December 17, 2007, 07:23:58 PM

Quote from: Defender on December 17, 2007, 12:41:42 PM

about the only thing harder than the anodizing is the diamond file.

Def

Good job really! $:-\$

Leatherman123 · **Reply #10 on:** December 17, 2007, 08:39:57 PM

That is weird, I own 5 charges and only my new TTi has a scraping file... But prime- I found that the old Wave scissors couldn't cut the paracord, they would "bind up" and not make a cut at all. While the new scissors would cut clean through. Just an observation. I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU! Not too many people think of it like this but I totally agree that the new gen. scissors are far more precise!

J-sews · **Reply #11 on:** December 18, 2007, 01:57:29 AM

The Ti is my favorite Charge too. It also happens to be my EDC tool of the moment.

Mine must be a factory second though...the diamond file doesn't rub on the scale at all.

Grant Lamontagne · **Reply #12 on:** December 18, 2007, 03:33:23 AM

You should send it in and have that malfunction repaired.

Def

prime77 · **Reply #13 on:** December 18, 2007, 08:44:19 AM

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You should send it in and have that malfunction repaired.

I have one like Bob. I must be special.

I have 4 Charges and the only one that doesn't have the "File Grind" is the Ti. I got it when the Charge line first came out. The date on the handles are 4/04. I don't know it that matters. You guys would have to check yours.

This is something that always bugged me about the Charge line. I mean you pay almost a hundred dollars for a tool and it's the flagship of the company, you expect it to be a fine piece of tool art and function perfectly right? It sounds like this is something that happens on a majority of the Charges out there. I know it's a small issue and it doesn't hamper the function of the tool at all, it just bugs me. How can LM continue to let this happen? If I was Tim Leatherman and I'm sitting in my office at LM headquarters playing with Charges coming of the line that has my name on it and I know that a potential buyer of this tool is going to give up some of his/her hard earned $ for it. I would want it to be perfect. Is it just me?

OK my rant is over thanks for reading.....

WhichDawg · **Reply #14 on:** December 18, 2007, 09:17:19 AM

yeah, I agree with you guys, I think you should send your charges to me and I'll get right on it!

J-sews · **Reply #15 on:** December 19, 2007, 03:43:59 AM

I agree with Prime on this. Instead of the file-rubbing issue being identified and repaired, it seems to be getting worse. Virtually all of the AL's and ALX's seem to have diamond file rub.

prime77 · **Reply #16 on:** December 19, 2007, 08:05:04 AM

Maybe someone at Leatherman is lurking around here......and will listen.

On my AL and ALX the "File Grind" is much worse than on my Ti and XTi. Maybe the anodizing adds some a tiny amount of thickness to the scales?

bobofish · **Reply #17 on:** December 20, 2007, 02:32:00 PM

I had a little grind on my Xti. All I had to do was open the file, and tap the file on a wood table a couple times, just hard enough to "bounce" the file off the table. No more grind.

NeitherExtreme · **Reply #18 on:** December 20, 2007, 11:55:44 PM

Congrats Def... I like the Ti best of all the Charges, and for all the previously discussed benefits.

I actually like the dedicate flathead- if I'm carrying a MT around, I'd better have at least one implement that I can poke, pry, twist, etc with...

Grant Lamontagne · **Reply #19 on:** December 21, 2007, 12:51:32 AM

So far the Ti is my favorite Charge as well. I've been carrying it almost non stop since it arrived.

Def

josekym · **Reply #20 on:** December 22, 2007, 02:20:15 PM

My LM Charge Ti marked 0305 on the handles also suffers from the file grind issue. I think it is because the linerlock is actually pushing up on the file blade. I also notice that the file blade has a slight play to it when opening the file blade and even when the linerlock is fully engaged.

Can't send it in for repair/adjustment, though. I sent my LM Wave with broken linerlock last month and still have to hear from LM about it. =)

Carthas · **Reply #21 on:** December 22, 2007, 03:53:37 PM

Def

Any changes in your feelings towards this charge?

Grant Lamontagne · **Reply #22 on:** December 22, 2007, 05:57:47 PM

Not yet. It's not perfect (what tool is?) but I do like it.

I've been carrying it almost exclusively for a little while now and I have to say I like it much better than the XTi, which as many of you will remember, I was very disappointed with.

Def

J-sews · **Reply #23 on:** December 22, 2007, 11:05:59 PM

My opinion: On balance, the convenience of the one-hand knife blade and the rest of the Ti layout far outweighs the couple of minor gripes I have with it.

prime77 · **Reply #24 on:** December 23, 2007, 08:31:18 AM

Quote from: J-sews on December 22, 2007, 11:05:59 PM

My opinion: On balance, the convenience of the one-hand knife blade and the rest of the Ti layout far outweighs the couple of minor gripes I have with it.

Well said Bob. Whenever I start carrying a different tool. I always seem to come back to the Charge Ti for the one-hand opening blades.

Grant Lamontagne · **Reply #25 on:** December 23, 2007, 09:16:56 AM

It's more than just the one handed blades- The Ti has most f the tools I use on a regular basis and minimizes what I consider to be less useful implements. I would trade the combo tool and flathead for a dedicated can and bottle opener though.

Def

joebw · **Reply #26 on:** December 23, 2007, 05:34:41 PM

Hi Josekym,

After reading your comments on the liner lock pushing the file, I checked four of my Charges. Three of the four had file rub and the locking liner for the file had much more pronounced bend than the liner for the saw. Good call.

Joe

NeitherExtreme · **Reply #27 on:** December 23, 2007, 06:25:52 PM

Quote from: josekym on December 22, 2007, 02:20:15 PM

My LM Charge Ti marked 0305 on the handles also suffers from the file grind issue. I think it is because the linerlock is actually pushing up on the file blade. I also notice that the file blade has a slight play to it when opening the file blade and even when the linerlock is fully engaged.

Can't send it in for repair/adjustment, though. I sent my LM Wave with broken linerlock last month and still have to hear from LM about it. =)

I had come to that same conclusion about the file rubbing- I think it is because of the liner lock pushing up... Doesn't bother me too much though, its easy to keep it from rubbing since I got in the habit of pushing it inward a little when I open & close it.

J-sews · **Reply #28 on:** December 23, 2007, 08:44:37 PM

Quote from: NeitherExtreme on December 23, 2007, 06:25:52 PM

... Doesn't bother me too much though, its easy to keep it from rubbing since I got in the habit of pushing it inward a little when I open & close it.

Same here.

Leatherman123 · **Reply #29 on:** December 23, 2007, 09:35:53 PM

Funny, I do the same exaxct thing! But I also noticed my New Wave has the same file rub! Does your Waves do that too?

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