Quote from: Heinz Doofenshmirtz on February 10, 2012, 09:08:45 PMApple has the philosophy they do now because they've been forced into it. Look at all the blatant rip-offs of nearly everything they've done. First it was windows, and now Android. Is it any coincidence that Eric Schmidt was on Apple's board, and then Android comes out less than a year after the iPhone comes out? They are now actually defending their IP and people are pissed off at them for that? So in other words, everyone applies a double standard to them; when they protect their products and IP, they're hypocrites, when they don't, they're elitists? For specialized purposes, there is never any one tool that does everything well. But Apple's market isn't developers, nor are they a software company. That's what people don't understand... the software they make adds value to their hardware products, and Apple is a hardware company, and should be more appropriately compared to other computer makers, not to a company like Monoposoft. As was mentioned about Kodak, they didn't realize the money is in the device, not the consumables or the content. Apple has realized that; the content is there just to sell the hardware, and for some reason, 99.9% of people don't get that.As for choosing and customizing, when was the last time anyone who isn't an IT or a programmer or an enthusiast actually upgraded their computer? The desire to customize is a dead field, no one outside of a very very very small segment of the market does it. That's why Apple makes the design decisions they do, the actually design their products around the way the majority of people actually use them. People bitched and moaned and screamed about no exchangeable battery in the iPhone, and then in MacBook Pros. But seriously, when was the last time anyone actually carried around a spare battery for their laptop? Or their phone even? Criticizing Apple is fine, and I'm no fanboy... I've had plenty of issues with them over the years. They can be downright arrogant smurfs. But criticize them for what they are, not what you want them to, or think they should be.Being able to replace the rechargeable battery should not involve taking your computer/phone/mp3 player to an authorized service center. Batteries die from cycling. They just do and it should be a DIY job.Apple products work great within their narrow parameters. That is all.
Apple has the philosophy they do now because they've been forced into it. Look at all the blatant rip-offs of nearly everything they've done. First it was windows, and now Android. Is it any coincidence that Eric Schmidt was on Apple's board, and then Android comes out less than a year after the iPhone comes out? They are now actually defending their IP and people are pissed off at them for that? So in other words, everyone applies a double standard to them; when they protect their products and IP, they're hypocrites, when they don't, they're elitists? For specialized purposes, there is never any one tool that does everything well. But Apple's market isn't developers, nor are they a software company. That's what people don't understand... the software they make adds value to their hardware products, and Apple is a hardware company, and should be more appropriately compared to other computer makers, not to a company like Monoposoft. As was mentioned about Kodak, they didn't realize the money is in the device, not the consumables or the content. Apple has realized that; the content is there just to sell the hardware, and for some reason, 99.9% of people don't get that.As for choosing and customizing, when was the last time anyone who isn't an IT or a programmer or an enthusiast actually upgraded their computer? The desire to customize is a dead field, no one outside of a very very very small segment of the market does it. That's why Apple makes the design decisions they do, the actually design their products around the way the majority of people actually use them. People bitched and moaned and screamed about no exchangeable battery in the iPhone, and then in MacBook Pros. But seriously, when was the last time anyone actually carried around a spare battery for their laptop? Or their phone even? Criticizing Apple is fine, and I'm no fanboy... I've had plenty of issues with them over the years. They can be downright arrogant smurfs. But criticize them for what they are, not what you want them to, or think they should be.
There's a reason Android devices are outselling iPhones.Def
Well, since I've inadvertently become the Apple apologist here, I guess I better reply.Actually Def, last quarter the iphone outsold all other android based phones combined. http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/01/25/massive_holiday_quarter_pushes_iphone_sales_past_android_in_us_.htmlI'd also say that the 'narrow parameters' are wider than you think. They seem to be fine for 99% of people who use them; I'd say that outselling all other droid based phones in one quarter is a pretty good argument for that.Also, Apple didn't 'steal' the GUI idea from XEROX PARC. They bought it. That's a fact you can look up, but it's a convenient urban myth perpetuated by other companies that didn't have the foresight to see what they had, and who passed on the opportunity, when Jobs did realize what it could do. It was XEROX's fault for not understanding what they had when they did.And actually, as it was, they took the idea of a windowed GUI and changed its implementation substantially from how it had been done at XEROX PARC. Their conception was that it used a hidden command line to draw the window elements from scratch. At the time that was an excessively processor intensive way to do it, and it ran very slowly as a result. Apple actually used predefined pixel maps stored in the OS to do all of that, making it faster and more efficient. Apple also had the first OS on the market that you could run more than one application at a time with. When laptops were first being designed, all of them had the keyboard in the front. Apple changed that, but the keyboard in the back and used the front for a palm rest. Who still designs their laptops the old way? Apple is responsible for a lot of design innovations and inventing usage conventions.Merc, as for customization, I'm not sure what you're talking about. I can drag apps on my old 3GS to any screen I want, organize them in any order I want, etc. I can put any apps I want in my dock. Heck, I can even put folders in my dock, which is what I actually do. I can change my backgrounds for my lock screen and app screens too. So I'm not understanding why you say that Apple doesn't let you customize... that's not at all what my experience has been.Syph, if you carry extra batteries, you're the exception, you're the .01% out there on the end of the curve. I honestly haven't known even a single person who carried extra batteries for their phone even when they had a phone that could swap batteries. Also as for the price difference between Apple's computers and PC's, you need to educate yourself. Go to Dell's or HP's website, use their online system for custom ordering a laptop with specs that match one of Apple's and you will see very little, if any price difference. The cost higher cost issues is no longer true; in fact, look at the so called 'ultrabook' market. I'd recommend you read up on just how 'successful' the ultrabook market has been in trying to match Apple's features in their MacBook Air line, such as solid aluminum bodies, weight, processor specs, etc. Lastly, the idea that a computer should be customizable, upgradeable, etc. is an idea from computing's prehistoric times. Computers are no longer special items that can be tinkered with and modified any more. Computers are commodities now, just like anything else, shoes, toasters, etc. It's the law of supply, demand, and volume. If you don't like that that's the case, just say so and be honest that it's your opinion, instead of claiming it's a fact of the computer industry that customization and upgradeability are still standard when they're not, and then saying that Apple's products suck because of it. Again, if you want to criticize Apple go right ahead. But if you're going to do it because their products aren't what you want, or that their products are designed to give people what they want and acknowledge the new reality of how 99.9% of people use things like laptops and smartphones, then just admit that your criticism is a value judgment particular to you and that you don't like their products. To criticize them because you don't think they're doing things the way you think they should, and then saying their products are crap because of it is just plain disingenuous.
There are no Viruses on Mac OS X.
Quote from: mvyrmnd on February 11, 2012, 09:49:55 AMThere are no Viruses on Mac OS X....that you know of.....
You watch your mouth there about SAAB! I had a 9-5. Best car I ever owned.
Quote from: mvyrmnd on February 11, 2012, 11:36:05 AMYou watch your mouth there about SAAB! I had a 9-5. Best car I ever owned.Shame they did not stop there...... The problem with SAAB, here, was that they were basically selling re-badged, older, Opel/Vauxhalls (with Fiat diesels) and asking for the latest Mercedes BMW money...At some point people figured it out...When SAAB went belly up several people here, unaware of many things to do with SAAB, bought used SAABs on, what they thought was, the cheap, (imported from the UK) but now nobody want to buy them from them and they keep complaining about quality problems..
Whoey, I used to play games on the computer, but never went for the online game scene; I like my privacy and ability to choose what I do etc. (Civilisation style games...)I have not played any games now for several years; it just hapenned.
Well, since I've inadvertently become the Apple apologist here, I guess I better reply.Apple is the best, just look at how many they sell.
If MS had evolved XP rather than barfed out Vista, I'd still be running MS.
Quote from: Mr. Whippy on February 11, 2012, 12:43:21 PMIf MS had evolved XP rather than barfed out Vista, I'd still be running MS. The best thing to happen to Apple was for sure the Vista OS. I used vista for about 2 days and nuked it and went back to XP. All my boxes run XP still mostly cuz im lazy and it still works fine.
Quote from: Syph007 on February 11, 2012, 01:30:50 PMQuote from: Mr. Whippy on February 11, 2012, 12:43:21 PMIf MS had evolved XP rather than barfed out Vista, I'd still be running MS. The best thing to happen to Apple was for sure the Vista OS. I used vista for about 2 days and nuked it and went back to XP. All my boxes run XP still mostly cuz im lazy and it still works fine. I did the EXACT same thing. Brand new system with Vista. It kept having "A serious problem has occurred" issues and rebooting. I nuked it and installed XP. Ran it like that ever since.
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