Bob and I discussed this at SHOT after looking at the Les Stroud knives and I kept meaning to get everyone else's thoughts on it. The recent Opinel survival knife thread has reminded me about it, so here goes.When we looked at the Les Stroud knives at the show we saw that basically the knives weren't anything special (as expected) but they did have lots of gadgets attached to the sheaths like sharpeners, reflectors and places to wrap lots of paracord. In a survival situation, all of these would be handy, but then so would a Howard Johnson's. Survival, in my mind falls into two categories- lost in the woods and SHTF situations. If you are lost in the woods, I can't help but feel that your cell phone or a SPOT type GPS transmitter is your best friend, and probably a lot more useful than a knife. If you are lost in the woods, you probably want to be found, and you could use your knife to chop up some wood and build a signal fire and perhaps be rescued when a passing aircraft notices you, or you can press the panic button or dial 911 on your cell phone and help comes right to you. There are good reasons to have a knife, but if I had to choose one, I'd choose the phone or GPS emergency transmitter.In a SHTF (Smurf Hits The Fan) type situation where you are on your own and there's no help in sight a knife could certainly be handy as well, but I think I would be more inclined to try and scrounge whatever I could. While I would appreciate a knife, it would be one of several dozen items I would want to secure, and perhaps not the highest priority item on the list- firearms, ammunition, food and clean water would top my list, although a knife would be a very close second tier need to the above items. Naturally a good knife would be important, and could perhaps aid in getting some of the above items, but they are also a lot easier to find, whether it be a kitchen knife or a decent sharp rock. Despite what Captain Kirk managed to do while being chased by a giant lizard man, it's somewhat difficult to build a gun from nothing.In short, much like the survival knife craze of the 80's, the knife is a handy tool but is simply not what survival is about, no matter who's name is on it or how much paracord it has wrapped around it, the survival is in the person, not the tool. Because of this, I really don't care for so called survival knives simply because people will buy them and think they are prepared- they are not. The knife is a valuable part of survival, no matter the situation, but it it only a part.Personally I think it's going to be easy to locate a knife in a SHTF type situation as there are going to be a lot of yuppie corpses clutching some really neat knives lying around.Def
I've got an old book from the 70's on survival. It's by an Australian fellow named Graves. Quite a thorough book with rope weaving, lacing branches and even how to build mud houses. It's questionable how much of it would pertain to my area, but as a kid I thought it a real find. I found the part about eating cats a bit too much, but hey, when in Melbourne...Anyway, he recommends eschewing a knife or axe for a machete for survival use. I carry one in my emergency bag in my car. God help me if a policeman ever has need to search my vehicle!
I would really love to have GB small forest axe... it's at the top of my wish list for camping gear, but I know my wife would kill me for buying one. She just wouldn't understand why I'd need to spend $100+ for what would seem to her be nothing more than an overgrown hatchet...
Quote from: Heinz Doofenshmirtz on February 29, 2012, 05:53:27 PMI would really love to have GB small forest axe... it's at the top of my wish list for camping gear, but I know my wife would kill me for buying one. She just wouldn't understand why I'd need to spend $100+ for what would seem to her be nothing more than an overgrown hatchet... Well... you can shave with it! The first thing i did when i got it was shave hair off my arm... others said it came that sharp so I had to know. How manly is it to see your husband shaving with an axe before heading into work! LOL. Tell your wife that.A huge tree came down in my backyard last year. I chopped the entire thing up small enough to put in leaf bags... that axe was just a pleasure to use, light but perfectly weighted. I was going through the 10 inch trunk of the tree so fast it was just a joy to use. LOVE IT. I do baby that axe though, i wont chop near the ground with it. I have a full size Estwing for dirtier work, the all metal full size, its good too altough I did manage to bend it once.
This is turning into a great thread guys! And I agree with boss-man; we all seem to have slightly different interpretations and preferences, but we're all thinking pretty much alike. It seems that a knife alone is one of the less useful things to have in a lost in the wood type of situation. I would really love to have GB small forest axe... it's at the top of my wish list for camping gear, but I know my wife would kill me for buying one. She just wouldn't understand why I'd need to spend $100+ for what would seem to her be nothing more than an overgrown hatchet... I've been meaning to get Cody's book, but just never had a chance really. The outdoors skills classes I've taken were taught by people who've done Cody's training as well. Lots of good info, and I like his approach of working with the environment instead of against it. I like that about Les too, but I have a big problem with the way he does his editing... I mean, do we need a cut scene every 20 or 30 seconds? I mean come on... that's just gonna give me a seizure fer cryin' out loud!Anyway, great thread! Keep it comin'!
The one think that bugs me about all the 'pros' with their survival knives is that thy seem to think that battening through wood is a must. Come on. First of all, where do these hardcore guys find all this nicely sawed logs to baton in the woods anyway anyway. The first time I saw someone do this I thought they were crazy. A good axe can do a hell of a lot of tasks, from tree felling, carving, game cleaning. I LOVE my granfors bruks small forest axe. For a cheaper option Estwings will last a lifetime. Somewhat regional though an axe in Canada is as to a machete in the jungle.I still want to try one of these as a modern Rambo style knife.. its one piece but hollow. It will probably suck, but I need to get one to know for sure.http://www.knifecenter.com/item/SCHF1SM/schrade-extreme-survival-special-forces-5
Tosh, if you think I'm being slanderous in that post then you obviously have not seen my posts talking about the crap from Taylor Cutlery or United. I stand by what I say and I challenge anyone I have slandered to prove me wrong.In fact, the Les Stroud Knives appear to be better than I thought they'd be. Unfortunately there were only mock ups at SHOT so I was unable to see the finished product but the specs sounded good. The reality is that I am not going to carry an overly bulky fixed blade with a sheath full of gadgets around all the time just in case the fan turns brown. I may keep it in a bug out bag, but if I have a bug out bag the it probably has the same stuff on the fancy sheath does, only in greater quantities. What I need to be able to survive with is what I have with me, which in many cases means a SAK and/or multitool.I can be a lot more slanderous if you'd like though! >DefSent from my MB860 using Tapatalk
I did the whole rambo knife thing back in the 80's
Quote from: Zed on March 02, 2012, 01:39:02 PMI did the whole rambo knife thing back in the 80's Pictures or it did not happen!!!
You see Grant, a big fixed blade knife is ESSENTIAL. I'm far more likely to be able to deter someone wielding mould ridden filth like that, than with a Victorinox Farmer. Even if waving a 10" saw back bowie at them isn't scary enough to instantly scare them away, it may induce sufficient fear fuelled flatulence to mask the smell for a bit. I can't believe that fixed blade knives carry restrictions on where and when they can be used and carried in the UK, but blue cheese doesn't In fact I believe UK laws actually includes the threat of blue cheese in the prescribed examples of when fixed blade knives and swords can be carried ... or if not, it should do At least I have inbuilt security measures against such putrid evil, one whiff of that stuff and you'll think you've walked into an Exorcist movie ... but this time it's a hairy Yorkshireman with a strange taste in multitools whose head is spinning and emitting green slime at high velocities.Pure unfettered evil that stuff!!!