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Bear Grylls Ultimate Survival versus Les Stroud Mountain Survival Knife

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ca Offline Chako

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Here is another comparison opinion review of sorts. This time, it will be the Gerber Bear Grylls Ultimate Survival Knive versus the Camillus Les Stroud Mountain Ultimate Survival Knife. You can tell from the name tags that both endorsers think highly of their name branded  products. I tend to agree. In fact, you will find that both men's ideas of the best survival knife out there is eerily the same across the board. In fact, I think you will find there are more similarities between these two offerings than differences.






Camillus Les Stroud SK Mountain Ultimate Survival Knife
•   Ultimate Survival Knife & Ultimate Sheath.
•   Titanium Bonded 440 Stainless Steel, Non-Stick Drop Point Blade with Partial Serrations,
•   Knurled Steel Pommel,
•    Integrated Ceramic Sharpener,
•   Para-cord wrap,
•   Integrated LED Flashlight & Whistle,
•   Fire Starter,
•   S.O.S. Signal Mirror,
•   Storage, Compartment,
•   Trail Map Mesh Pocket




Decked out in the series bright yellow/green trappings, the Ultimate SK Mountain Survival Knife is quite the looker. The sheath is highly functional, with injection molded body, there are a lot of features hidden in there. The back of the sheath once again holds a small mesh map pocket that contains Les Stroud's mini survival guide along with a Camillus white paper on how to take care of your new knife.  The same pocket is also found on the Jungle Machete, however due to the lack of real-estate, the pocket had to be smaller. As you can see, not sure what type of map it can contain, as it barely holds all of the small instructions sheets that come with the knife.



Les Stroud takes a, er, well, Stroud method of information giving. The Guide is more holistic and big picture compared to that of Bear Grylls which tends to focus on individual scenarios.  There is a lot of good info found therein, and I like that the guide can also be used as a signal/spotting  device.





The sheath also has a built in knife sharpener. This is the two graphite rod type sharpener.  This is simple and about as idiot proof as it gets for sharpening a blade. Now there is more to this than meets the eye. It also acts as a water drain to help dry your blade. It also acts as a sight to aim your mirror flashes.



Built into the sheath front is a signaling mirror. Nestled beside the knife are two removable tools, one being the fire starter, and the other being a combo whistle and LED flashlight.



Behind the mirror, which opens on a pivot hinge is a tiny small storage space. Just enough I think to put a small fishing kit, and a band aid or two. This storage is small, but shows that the designers maximized all the space available to them.



If that wasn't enough, you have some paracord well protected and  wrapped around the sheath.

The knife has that silly bit of serration. I have no clue why they add this. I would rather have a full straight blade than a partially serrated one.  The only plus is that it isn't as long as that found on the Bear Ultimate Survival knife. The handle has a hammer pommel, soft rubber where it counts , and feels a tad large for comfort. Mind you, comfort is a highly personal opinion, and your mileage will vary. Much like the Jungle machete in the series, you do not get a lanyard, but you can add one to the convenient hole offered for just that purpose. on the backbone of the blade, is a first starter notch.



Interestingly enough, both knives have a single Velcro retainer strap. Both also feature some sort of sheath feature that sort of locks theblade home. This way, you shouldn't lose your knife if you forget to close the Velcro strap.

Gerber Bear Grylls Ultimate Survival knife
•   Open length: 10.0"
•   Blade Length: 4.8"
•   Weight: (with sheath): 14.7oz.
•   Weight (no sheath): 11.2oz.
•   Knife Features:
o   ½ Serrated High Carbon Stainless Steel Drop Point Blade - Ideal for edge retention and cutting rope
o   Ergonomic Textured Rubber Grip - Maximizes comfort and reduces slippage
o   Stainless Steel Pommel - At base of handle for hammering
o   Emergency Whistle - Integrated into lanyard cord
•   Sheath Features:
o   Fire Starter - Ferrocerium rod locks into sheath, striker notch incorporated into back of knife blade
o   Nylon Sheath - Lightweight, military-grade, mildew resistant
o   Land to air rescue instructions
o   Diamond Sharpener - Integrated into sheath for on-the-go sharpening
o   Priorities of Survival - Pocket guide contains Bear’s survival essentials



The BG knife follows the whole series look with gray textured handle and orange trappings. Of course both products have their endorsers names on it, but Gerber takes it up a notch by plastering Bear Grylls name on everything.

Oddly enough, and this is an issue I would think...they placed the fire starter upside down on the sheath. It is held in by a weak compression, and I can imagine this falling out eventually.  When it does, it will just fall and you probably wouldn't notice it until later.



I do find the ergonomics of the handle on the BG fire starter to be easier to use compared to the lopsided design of the Camillus.

The back of the sheath contains a little hidden and weak pouch behind the air signal info. This little pocket contains Bears signature mini survival guide. The problem here is that the material that the air signals info is printed on is not all that stretchy, meaning that the small pocket feel like it will un-sew with the removal or addition of the small guide.


Un-Velcro the top and the whole sheath pivots downwards to reveal the diamond sharpener. With this setup, you can ruins your blade if you don't know what you are doing. The diamond sharpener is generously sized and placed on an angle as seen in this next photo.



I thought long and hard on this and although I may be wrong, there is my  theory. The sharpener is angled like that to accommodate the thickness of the blade retention flaps on the sheath.



In the above photo, you can see the two blade retention flaps holding the blade in the sheath. On the Camillus, these are smaller and less obvious if equally capable in function.



Looking at the side, you can see how that blade retention is large, Interestingly enough, even with the angle of the diamond sharpener, it still presents a relatively flat surface towards your body.



The knife has an overly long partial serration. Longer than that found on the Les Stroud.


The whistle is attached to the end of the lanyard.



Both knives feature a fire starter striking zone in practically the same location. On the Les Stroud, it is a half moon notch. On the Bear Grylls, it is a rough cutout above the fire starter symbol on the blade.

Summary
As you can see, both offerings are very similar in style, functionality, and type. The major differences are minor in many respects, which boils down to the way each did their thing. Both even have striking hammer pommels...



From personal opinion...

1. I like the feel and shape of the BG knife over that of the Les Stroud.
2. I like the features and shape of the Les Stroud sheath over that of the BG sheath.
3. I do not like serrated blades on survival knives. Not sure why they both included them on these. At least the partial serration on the Les Stroud is shorter than that found on the BG. I know for a time, there was supposed to be a non serrated BG Ultimate knife produced. I do not k now if they ever made it. I know I looked for it but couldn't find one at the time that I was in the market for one.
4. I like the simplicity of the sharpener found on the Les Stroud to that of the BG. On the other hand, you could sharpen other things on that Diamond hone of the BG...like hooks , etc.  I guess this one is a tossup.

So there you have it. I know plenty of folks have besmirched both blades. I think for the price point, they aren't all that bad. In a survival situation, having either of these by your side is a lot better than not having anything at all. The extras that are included add much value. Despite what is being said about them online, these are far superior to those no tang hollow handled  monstrosities of yore that Rambo made popular back in the early 80's. Which one meets your needs  is entirely up to you.
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Cheers mate, nice overview  :tu:

I'd agree these are far from being "ultimate" knives, but there has been a fair bit of thought put into both designs. I particularly like the inginuity that has gone into the Stroud sheath  :tu: As for the Gerber, that I believe is their earliest version of the knife, and the second generation had several improvements - one of which was to put the firesteel in the right way up  ::) I can't remember the other tweaks off hand, but I'm sure there were plain edged versions of both  :think:

I think it's fair to say these are angled at the younger end of the market, and are most likely to be snapped up by youngsters or those with less knife use experience. That's not to say they wouldn't serve anyone else just as well - someone working with wet rope a lot might be very happy with one of these - but they kinda look like they've been designed to make 15 year old kids eyes light up

Thanks again for the comparison, very useful  :cheers:


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Great comparison!  :tu:
Been waiting for somone here to make a good comparison on the two knives.

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Great review! I definitely like the shorter more aggressive serrations on the les knife. And Al, I don't believe the camillus  one has ever come pe. But there is a slightly smaller version called the arctic that is plain edge


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Sorry, what I meant was I think both versions of the Gerber (new and old) were available plain edge.


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Chako, great review!   :tu:

Overall though, I'll chime in my agreement with Al here... both seem far from the "perfect" survival blade, but the design of the sheaths and the extras they have shows a lot of ingenuity.

As far as I'm concerned, though, both blades are fundamentally flawed because they're combo edges, particularly because the serrated portion is the part of the blade closest to the handle.  That's going to make doing things like whittling stakes and poles for shelter building to be problematic at best.  If I'm going to relegate myself to carrying a knife that has a combo edge, I'd rather it be an arrangement like how the 111mm Vic serrated blades are designed, with the plain edge portion close to the base of the blade, so it doesn't compromise the utility of the knife for things like carving, whittling, making feather sticks, and the like.

They both also look like they're hollow ground, which in my book is a big strike against them for survival use.  I don't think hollow ground edges are strong enough for the kinds of use (abuse) a survival knife is going to be put through.  I know a lot of it has to do with the steel of the blade, but I've seen plenty of rolled edges on hollow ground blades, and my old USA made Gerber Pro Guide with a full flat ground blade is over 20 years old now, and still going strong.  In short, I'd much rather have a full flat ground blade, or even better a scandi grind on the blade.

The blade shape and design of my BK14 is much more useable, especially for choking up on it, using it for scraping, gouging, drilling, etc. than either of these blades.  I'm still testing/experimenting/practicing with my Mora 2000, but it definitely is an amazing carver and woodworker...  It's the main knife in my PSK now, and I'm changing my BK14 back into a neck carry knife with a few small things added to it via ranger bands and the like.

In short, interesting and ingenious sheaths, but I'll stick with my BK14 or my new Mora 2000 for my emergency prep and survival uses.
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but they kinda look like they've been designed to make 15 year old kids eyes light up


I think you nailed it.  If I was 15 I'm sure Id be all over these.  Just like I was in the early 80s with that iconic rambo knife.  I remember thinking as long as I had that on me, I could handle ANY sitution! Why doenst everyone in the world have one!!!  But being a grown up I know better now. 

At least the camillus says its made with 440, and if its heat treated well, it can be an awesome blade steel still.  However, the combo edges, and the presence of all the plastic are deal breakers for me.  But 15 yr old's will rejoice when gifted these survival treasures they can hold while watching they're favorite survival show and pretending to play along! :D

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I really hate the overly deep serrations like those on LS, doesn't actually cut and impossible to sharpen, pretty much useless for any purpose. If you are going to put them on your knife, at least use the shallow serrations like those on BG.


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I still don't get the idea behind serrations on a survival knife but other than that there really doesn't appear to be anything wrong with either of them.   Thanks for taking the time Dan.
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I still don't get the idea behind serrations on a survival knife.


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I'm one of the "Please stop all the semiserrated blade BS" bandwagon. I think I covered it pretty clearly in the aptly titled "I DON'T LIKE SEMI-SERRATED BLADES' thread.
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"Our honor is like a Auntie Anne's Pretzel Kiosk," said my master.
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"One day you will," he said.

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Sorry about that side lunacy there, folks.

I'm one of the "Please stop all the semiserrated blade BS" bandwagon. I think I covered it pretty clearly in the aptly titled "I DON'T LIKE SEMI-SERRATED BLADES' thread.
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@ CHako:  Thx for that review from the Great White North, sir.  Very well done.  Did not expect it so quickly (that's what she said...).  PS--I feel it's my duty as a fat American to tell ya, "Canadian bacon is just spicy ham".   

I have never said "thank you Lord that my knife had a serrated edge" but have often thought while working with a friend's knife " why the hell did he buy this with serrations?".

Serrations only force you to work with the pointed end instead of the safer, and better leverage area near the hilt.  Hate seeing a very desirable knife ruined by this.
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At least the serrations on my Vic Trekker are at the front, leaving the plain edge portion rear for whittling. This seems a very great deal more practical, IMO, although even that isn't my preference.

Some day I'm going to have to try out my trekker as a food prep knife, to see how it works for that. I think it'd be good for a camp cooking knife, but this is speculation at the moment.


 

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