Would you rate this B+?

GigaHz · **on:** December 02, 2013, 08:21:54 PM

I would rate it broken.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/200993569328?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

detron · **Reply #1 on:** December 02, 2013, 08:29:14 PM

Broken.

sucks because that is one of the SAKs I want more than any other, Large with a Bail.

I would pay that price happily and clean it up, but it is TOO damaged

Mr. Whippy · **Reply #2 on:** December 02, 2013, 08:34:37 PM

I guess I'm missing it. What's broken on this?

detron · **Reply #3 on:** December 02, 2013, 08:36:36 PM

Quote from: Mr. Whippy on December 02, 2013, 08:34:37 PM

I guess I'm missing it. What's broken on this?

Back springs seem gone!

GigaHz · **Reply #4 on:** December 02, 2013, 08:41:02 PM

Long nail file gone.

enki_ck · **Reply #5 on:** December 02, 2013, 08:46:47 PM

Quote from: Mr. Whippy on December 02, 2013, 08:34:37 PM

I guess I'm missing it. What's broken on this?

Here's a picture of a whole one from the wiki. The back layered long nail file is missing from the one in the ebay listing. (and yes, I know this one has the corkscrew instead of the phillips in the wiki picture

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Mr. Whippy · **Reply #6 on:** December 02, 2013, 08:48:11 PM

Quote from: GigaHz on December 02, 2013, 08:41:02 PM

Long nail file gone.

Did all Champions of that era have long nail files? I don't see where it would have been located. Do you think he substituted in the awl on the backside?

Mr. Whippy · **Reply #7 on:** December 02, 2013, 08:50:39 PM

Would it have set in the groove next to the corkscrew?

Mr. Whippy · **Reply #8 on:** December 02, 2013, 08:54:20 PM

Only one way to find out:

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Does this knife have the long nail file? It looks like it should have it next to the corkscrew.

If not, is that still B+?

enki_ck · **Reply #9 on:** December 02, 2013, 08:55:43 PM

Quote from: Mr. Whippy on December 02, 2013, 08:50:39 PM

Would it have set in the groove next to the corkscrew?

Yes, you can see the cutout in the liner for the nail nick.

GigaHz · **Reply #10 on:** December 02, 2013, 08:56:10 PM

Underneath the scissors. You can see the nail nick cut out in the second liner where the LNF nail nick goes. When the scissors are on the same pivot as the main blade, a LNF will be there also. At the front you can see a hunk of the liner broken out where the LNF pivots from.

enki_ck · **Reply #11 on:** December 02, 2013, 08:57:39 PM

Quote from: enki_ck on December 02, 2013, 08:55:43 PM

Quote from: Mr. Whippy on December 02, 2013, 08:50:39 PM
Would it have set in the groove next to the corkscrew?

Yes, you can see the cutout in the liner for the nail nick.

Mr. Whippy · **Reply #12 on:** December 02, 2013, 08:59:50 PM

Here's his answer:

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This knife has no long nail file. I don't know whether or not it ever had one. I can't imagine why someone would remove it. There is no stub or remnant so if it was removed it was done by disassembling the knife.

The B+ refers to the condition of the knife.

GigaHz · **Reply #13 on:** December 02, 2013, 09:03:31 PM

In the first liner closest to the ground near the bail, a big hunk is missing out of the liner. That is where the LNF pivots from.

Mr. Whippy · **Reply #14 on:** December 02, 2013, 09:05:00 PM

Quote from: GigaHz on December 02, 2013, 09:03:31 PM

In the first liner closest to the ground near the bail, a big hunk is missing out of the liner. That is where the LNF pivots from.

I agree after looking at the pictures. Good eye, both you and Detron. I think this guy knows what's wrong but wants to feign ignorance.

Mr. Whippy · **Reply #15 on:** December 02, 2013, 09:05:26 PM

I'm not feigning.

GigaHz · **Reply #16 on:** December 02, 2013, 09:05:41 PM

The answer I got. I said the snap on the scissors would be poor.

This knife has no long nail file. I don't know whether or not it ever had one. I can't imagine why someone would remove it. There is no stub or remnant so if it was removed it was done by disassembling the knife.

The scissors are not particularly snappy but not noticeably limp either.

enki_ck · **Reply #17 on:** December 02, 2013, 09:11:08 PM

If I remember correctly the long nail file uses a 5th pin that only attaches to the liner, as GigaHz says, near the bail.

Here are the parts that give it away.

LNF attachment point.

LNF nail nick cut out.

GigaHz · **Reply #18 on:** December 02, 2013, 09:12:55 PM

What he said ^^^^

detron · **Reply #19 on:** December 02, 2013, 09:15:21 PM

I was wrong, I thought the back spring was missing.

Mr. Whippy · **Reply #20 on:** December 02, 2013, 09:16:16 PM

Yup. I see it now.

KiwiMark · **Reply #21 on:** December 02, 2013, 09:58:08 PM

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B+ Excellent condition, no obvious wear, clean, tight, complete. Good for a collector, but probably not a museum.

The sellers guide to the ratings would suggest that this listing is rated incorrectly!

mtds · **Reply #22 on:** December 03, 2013, 07:34:10 AM

Of course, you gentlemen are completely correct about this particular knife, but I've purchased a few later model, more common knives (like Spartans, Tinkers, Supertinkers, Climbers, etc) from him and they have been better than described or expected, priced right, and shipped promptly. I think this is an honest error, despite appearances.

basilio · **Reply #23 on:** December 03, 2013, 09:52:40 AM

Instead I have to say that I had not so good experiences with this seller.
For example I bought a knife with the blade heavy sharpened.
Because of the angle of the pictures it was really difficult to tell, and it was not mentioned in the description.
These "A, B, Z, A+, B- etc ..." grade may be cool to read, but I would prefer an honest description.

mtds · **Reply #24 on:** December 04, 2013, 05:45:12 AM

Quote from: basilio on December 03, 2013, 09:52:40 AM

These "A, B, Z, A+, B- etc ..." grade may be cool to read, but I would prefer an honest description.

You are correct; an honest description is always best. Wouldn't we all like to see more of them!

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