Automatic Knife Thread

[Corwyn]

I junked my Chinese cheapos and still have:

Classic Stiletto:


Herbertz balisong with poopie picture:

[Gerhard Gerber]

I don't much like automatics because they don't follow the KISS principle, but my collection would not be complete without a classic stiletto and a Microtech OTF........someday

[shark_za]

Personally I don't see the appeal of auto knives.

Having no restriction on them means I don't have the "cant get them, must have them" appeal that I see with some.
Why include the balisongs in the auto thread?

[Kampfer]

I want to get the new CA legal Kershaw Launch when it comes out. 

This one?
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Oooooh I like. Sweet and simple.

Yup, just what girls say about me, only a little too short.

[Kampfer]

My cheap ass switchblade, opening spring is very weak, very bad lock up, lots play in all direction, lock fail under 3 lbs of pressure.
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It is a repro M2 Paratrooper knife.

[Corwyn]

Personally I don't see the appeal of auto knives.

Having no restriction on them means I don't have the "cant get them, must have them" appeal that I see with some.
Why include the balisongs in the auto thread?

No real rules here yet either. You can buy loads of cheapo ones at any market...

And the OP included a balisong so.. why the smurf not? 

[SAK Guy]

Personally I don't see the appeal of auto knives.

Having no restriction on them means I don't have the "cant get them, must have them" appeal that I see with some.
Why include the balisongs in the auto thread?

No real rules here yet either. You can buy loads of cheapo ones at any market...

And the OP included a balisong so.. why the smurf not? 

While we are on the subject of balisongs, here in Texas, autos are legal to carry but balisongs are still a prohibited weapon.

[captain spaulding]

A state just repealed its auto law and they are legal now. I think it was Wisconsin.   

[SteveC]

Yep Wisconsin.

[toolguy]

I like autos.

This is an MOD-Tempest inspired by Michael Janich self defense and martial arts expert.

[kwakster]

Designer Michael Janich on the original MOD Tempest:

'The final form of the Tempest is a bit different than my original design, but I'm still very proud of it and please to carry mine on a daily basis.

Here are the major design features and their reasons for being:

1) A Bowie-style blade provides plenty of "belly" or curve to the cutting edge for efficient slashing, yet keeps the point of the blade on the knife's centerline.
This ensures a direct transfer of energy during a thrust and keeps the knife from drifting during penetration.
The wide blade profile produces a wide wound channel during a thrust and allows for a gradual taper of the blade bevel.
This makes the blade strong, but still allows it to be sharpened to a keen edge.

2) A 3.5-inch blade is legal to carry in most areas (in fact, it is the maximum legal limit in Colorado - a personal consideration) yet is long enough to reach vital anatomical targets such as the carotid, the brain (through the eye), the liver and spleen, and (on thinner opponents) the aorta.

3) The tapered handle shape of the Tempest allows the user to focus the strength of his grip on the last three fingers (middle, ring, and pinky) to anchor the handle to the fleshy pad of the palm.
This increases the surface area in contact with the handle and allows for efficient management of "impact shock" when the knife hits a hard target.
The tapered shape also provides a striking surface on the butt of the handle (though it is smaller than I wanted it to be) that can be used for striking with the knife open or closed.
Finally, the index finger cutout is a functional guard that, along with the tapered handle, keeps the hand from sliding forward during the impact of a thrust.

4) The pronounced ramp on the back of the handle and extending over onto the back of the blade is designed to allow the thumb to extend forward.
This further tightens the grip of the hand and provides a positive index for the thumb to guide the blade.
I'm a big believer in using the thumb as a guide to allow the blade to be employed instinctively.
This is similar to the Filipino extended thumb grip, but does not require that the thumb be held away from the back of the blade.

5) The reversible clothing clip allows the knife to be carried point up in the pocket (mine is the only MOD knife with this option).
This is my preferred carry method since it allows the user to grasp, draw, open, and use the knife without having to change his grip on the handle.
This is much faster and more reliable in the heat of a fight.

I hope this gives you some insight into the Tempest design.'

Michael Janich

Specs:

Length open: 8" (20,3 cm)
Length closed: 4.5" (11,4 cm)
Blade length: 3.5" (8,8 cm)
Blade thickness: 0.1" (3,75 mm)
Steel: 154CM
Blade coating: Titanium Carbo-Nitride
Hardness: 60 HRC
Handle material: Mil-Spec Type III hard anodized aluminium, inlayed on the front with Kraton
Lock: Linerlock (1,9 mm thick)
Weight: 112 grams
With steel pocketclip

[toolguy]

Thanks for posting that information kwakster.

Michael Janich has been active in the area of self defense for more than 35 years and he's also a prolific author on this topic.

Here's another offering from the former Masters Of Defense company.


Masters of Defense "Trident" designed by Chief Jim Watson,veteran Navy Seal,who had 16 combat decorations,including 4 bronze stars with the Combat V for valor. Most people know him as Dick Marcinko's point man Patches in the Rogue Warrior series. Watson, a Team 2 plank owner, has authored two books on his days as a SEAL, Point Man and Walking Point, both published by William Morrow.When Jim ray wanted a hard-use knife that would meet the needs of these spec op's warriors,Jim Watson was a natural choice. Most of the so called SEAL knives out there today never had the input of a SEAL in their construction and wouldn't hold up if a special forces operator actually had to use one. Jim Watson designed this knife as a user who has actually been there and done it.

Specifications:
HANDLES: Milled, 6061-T6 Aluminum
BLADE: 154cm high carbon stainless steel alloy, 60 Rockwell hardness! Cryogenically hardened for complete molecular conversion and absolute dimensional stability. Ambidextrous milled thumb studs.
HANDLE FINISH: Military Spec Hardcoat, Black Anodized
POCKET/BELT CLIP: Through hardened 301 Stainless steel, matte finish. Point up carrying.
OVERALL LENGTH: 7.8", 4.4" when closed.
BLADE LENGTH: 3.4"
BLADE THICKNESS: 148 thousandths.
LOCKING LINER: 17-4 Stainless steel, 76 thousandths, sustains over 100 lbs of reverse force.
EDGING TREATMENT: Precision hollow ground modified spear point. Thumb ridge on top.
HOLSTER: CorduraTM Nylon, can be worn horizontally or vertically on belt. Velcro � closure.
BLADE FINISH OPTIONS: Matte double bead blast, or new ultra hard Stealth matte black Boron Carbide.
SERRATION: Optional, half-serrated or non-serrated, all finishes.
AUTOMATICS: Auto-opening version available for military, fire/EMS and law enforcement.

[powernoodle]

Spring-assisted folders, like many SOGs and Kershaws, are effectively auto knives with the same (or better) speed of deployment of autos, but without the legal implications.

I don't contend that they are objectively better or worse than traditional autos, but they are a viable and often less spendy alternative for the guy who wants lightning-fast deployment.


Kershaw Knockout.


SOG Aegis.

[NKlamerus]

Spring-assisted folders, like many SOGs and Kershaws, are effectively auto knives with the same (or better) speed of deployment of autos, but without the legal implications.

I don't contend that they are objectively better or worse than traditional autos, but they are a viable and often less spendy alternative for the guy who wants lightning-fast deployment.

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Kershaw Knockout.

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SOG Aegis.

Okay, where's the story behind the Nutnfancy engraving???

[captain spaulding]

Spring-assisted folders, like many SOGs and Kershaws, are effectively auto knives with the same (or better) speed of deployment of autos, but without the legal implications.

I don't contend that they are objectively better or worse than traditional autos, but they are a viable and often less spendy alternative for the guy who wants lightning-fast deployment.

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Kershaw Knockout.

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SOG Aegis.

But they're not autos they're assisted. 

[Kampfer]

Spring-assisted folders, like many SOGs and Kershaws, are effectively auto knives with the same (or better) speed of deployment of autos, but without the legal implications.

I don't contend that they are objectively better or worse than traditional autos, but they are a viable and often less spendy alternative for the guy who wants lightning-fast deployment.

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Kershaw Knockout.

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SOG Aegis.

I agree that is why if I could legally purchase autos, I would get them OTF's.

[Gerhard Gerber]

Spring-assisted folders, like many SOGs and Kershaws, are effectively auto knives with the same (or better) speed of deployment of autos, but without the legal implications.

I don't contend that they are objectively better or worse than traditional autos, but they are a viable and often less spendy alternative for the guy who wants lightning-fast deployment.

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Kershaw Knockout.

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SOG Aegis.

Okay, where's the story behind the Nutnfancy engraving???

.....I saw that as well.......powernoodle.....?

[Kampfer]

My OTF5, it is as close to an auto as I can get.

[captain spaulding]

You can get a legit auto in CA as long as the blade is under 2". 

[Kampfer]

You can get a legit auto in CA as long as the blade is under 2". 

Pointless then.

[toolguy]

Here is another MOD a CQD designed by Duane Dieter and built by Masters of Defense.Awarded "Knife of the Year" by Blade Magazine for the year of 2000.

This video explains this knife and its designer.

[Marcellus]

Benchmade I have owned for at least 20 years, if memory serves me

I do remember the cost, about $90 back then

[toolguy]

They're good knives for the money.

They certainly don't have the mystique of a Microtech or the design built into an MOD but they're a good working knife.

[captain spaulding]

You can get a legit auto in CA as long as the blade is under 2". 

Pointless then.

By that logic the blade on a Victorinox Classic is pointless as well?

[pfrsantos]

Ya that gerber by the sounds of it qualifies as an auto which are prohibited weapons in Canada.  Unless its by a technicality since its a slider and not a button?  I doubt anyone really cares who sells them though.

I never understood why ballisongs were prohibited here as well.  They take much longer to open than any flick open benchmade like the griptilian, and fixes blades which are legal can do much more damage.

Just like here.

That's just because those in charge of legislating about these matters don't know nothing about knives. They see them in the movies and TV and are scared because they see criminals flicking them around and killing people, so they outlaw them.

      

[Kampfer]

You can get a legit auto in CA as long as the blade is under 2". 

Pointless then.

By that logic the blade on a Victorinox Classic is pointless as well?

A classic is about $10 and takes up no space, that is the point of it.

[Marcellus]

Found this one searching for knives with stag scales

German made Hubertus

[Marcellus]

Old Schrade push button auto pen knife with slide locks

Buttons and locks on both sides