Self defense Folder, deployment method.

[captain spaulding]

I believe that the folding knives are considered as the best self defence weapons. I consider folders as best because they can be placed in your pocket for everyday carry.

Best compared to what? They certainly are not better than carry a firearm.

[Kampfer]

Best in term of it is legal to carry in most states and most places, no permit required.
Best in term of it is easy to carry and has other functions other than self defense.

BUT.

Not the best defense tools in all situation. Often when it comes to that, using nearby objects (picking up a chair, flipping a table, throwing a bike , etc.) is just as effective if not more.

[dks]

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[cbl51]

I believe that the folding knives are considered as the best self defence weapons. I consider folders as best because they can be placed in your pocket for everyday carry.

Best compared to what? They certainly are not better than carry a firearm.

Wow, necro thread rises from the dead!

How is some folding knife the best defense weapon?

As far as the United States goes, it has to be one of the worst. With 40 of the 50 states now permitting the concealed carry of a gun, the knife becomes as relevant  as any other medieval archaic weapon. Poor. And since most hard core criminals will have a gun, again, the question is how is some silly folding knife going to be of any help. Aside from getting you killed, that is.

I see these threads so often on knife forums, and I can't help but shake my head in wonder. To be a little blunt, how many keyboard comando's have ever seen a real knife fight, or the immediate aftermath of one??? If you ever do, you will never carry a knife for a weapon again. It ain't a Hollyweird fantasy where the good guy goes home unscathed. It's a messy ,bloody affair, where both parties get sliced and diced. A knife does NOT have the stopping power of a firearm or blunt object like a club. You stab an attacker and it has little or no effect. With the adrenaline flowing, he's going to keep on fighting and attacking you until he bleeds out, and that can take a while. Meanwhile he's got a knife too, and he's still trying to kill you. If he has a gun, he can still have enough left in him until he drops, to empty half a magazine into you. If his buddy (and they always work in at least 2's) who's keeping watch for the cops see's you pull a knife, it's very possible he's gonna jump in and then you're fighting two of them at once. Still a lose-lose situation.

Let me be a little more direct here and tell you what will happen in a real knife fight. And when you pull a knife on some mugger/attacker, you will be in a knife fight. When I was in the army, my engineer training was at Ft. Leonard Wood Missouri. This was the 1960's, and the Buck knife was the fashion. They sold them at the base PX for almost half the cost of the civilian stores, so every swinging Richard in the army had the black pouch on the belt.

Well one day just outside the mess hall, two your GI's get into it over the sale of a lid of pot that one claimed was "light". Yes it was-no it wasn't kind kind of thing. It escalated into a fight, and after some punches, they both pulled their Buck knives. By the time they were done, one was dead, the other in critical condition. Both looked like horror film victims. When the ambulances  carried off the dead and injured, they brought in a water truck from the motor pool to hose off the pavement. Yes, there was that much blood on the cement. It looked like they had slaughtered a cow or three there. I was one of the witnesses, and I had to give my testimony to the MP's.

That fight forever changed my mind about the carry of a knife for defense. No way, no how, am I going for a knife if I'm attacked. If the other guy has a knife, I'm running like h--l, and if he has a gun, I'm handing him my wallet. Nothing in there worth dying for. If he's unarmed, I'm not going to prison for using a knife on an unarmed person. And that brings up an other whole issue. Are you going to get in some fight, and pull a knife and stab someone? You're going to have to stab them repeatedly to get an effect, and if you thought that guy in Florida was racked over the coals for shooting Travon Martin just once, what do you think they will do to you for stabbing some punk a dozen times or more. Or are you under some delusion that you will stick him once and he's gonna just fall over? And when it comes up in court, YOU are going to look like the aggressor.

There is no situation that pulling a knife is going to help. Just the opposite. If someone pulls a knife on you, then a bar stool, chair, fireplace poker, pool stick, fire extinguisher, beer pitcher, trash can lid, mop handle, shovel, walking stick/cane, large wrench, ratchet handle, jack handle, hiking staff, end table, will work to block the knife while you punt his cajones up into his pelvis  like you're going for a field goal, then retreat and get the H out of Dodge. Pulling your own knife and engaging him on his own level is plain stupid and insane.

Why do you think that police officers will just shoot soon as knife comes into it? It's just  too dangerous to mess with.

It's a semi free country last I heard, so carry what you want. But for defense I use a blunt force trauma tool. I know when I break the guys wrist or hand bones, he's gonna have a hard time using his knife on me. Washington D.C is my hometown, and it has some sketchy characters in it. I carry a stout Irish blackthorn stick, and it beasts a knife any day. When I was a kid, a lot of the men carried a black jack for defense. They were legal then. If anyone asks about my stick, I tell them I have an old injury that bothers me time to time. No laws agains it, and it even goes on board airplanes with me, so when I get off in Key West or where ver I'm gong, I'm decently armed. If I need a knife, I just stop at a box store and buy a SAK recruit that I gift off when I leave.

After witnessing that knife fight at Ft. Leonard Wood, I won't even carry a knife that has a blade lock and may temp me to think of it as a weapon.

I keep my sticks by the door, and just grab one on the way out. They go places a knife can't. The one on the far left and second from the right are my serious situation sticks.

[captain spaulding]

I would agree with most of what you said, but disagree with a few things.

Every time anyone mentions defending yourself with a knife its immediately assumed they are talking about going one on one with another person wielding a knife. If I have time to notice another person wielding a knife i'm running every time.

You're going to have to stab them repeatedly to get an effect

There is no situation that pulling a knife is going to help. Just the opposite.

This is not true. Their are many places on the body that will immediately disable a attacker. With little research and no training one could easily achieve these results. For instance a slicing strike just above the knee will disable a attackers ability to walk instantly. Also a slicing attack above and behind the elbow will render that arm useless.

I am in no way condoning carrying a knife purely for self defense or intending to use it in self defense, but if a unarmed attacked pins you up against a wall or a similar situation like that and you cannot fight your way out a knife would be a excellent last ditch weapon to save your life.

[HarleyXJGuy]

Let's say you carry a folder for self defense, do you believe one hand open is absolutely necessary?
What is your favorite deployment method? thumb stub, hole, assist, wave?
Do you think such method is totally reliable under pressure in a split of second?
Or old fashion two hand open is more reliable?

Will avoid the politics of this, just the facts ma'am.

Fave deployment method goes without saying, even though I will. Spydie hole all day long just because that is what I use all the time. I bet if I tried something else it would end with the knife thrown across the room.

Nothing is totally reliable under pressure. If there is anything that is sure in a fight this is it.

That said two handed is just as reliable as say Spydie hole but no way is it more so. Muscle memory is key.

[dmanuel]

As far as the United States goes, it has to be one of the worst ... the knife becomes as relevant  as any other medieval archaic weapon. Poor.

Why do you think that police officers will just shoot soon as knife comes into it? It's just  too dangerous to mess with.

I find these two quotes to be both interesting and contradictory. Last I heard most cops won't shoot you on the spot for having a baton in your hand yet you assert that it is better. However later on you go on to talk about how it is too dangerous to mess with and immediately is perceived as a killing weapon.

[HarleyXJGuy]

As far as the United States goes, it has to be one of the worst ... the knife becomes as relevant  as any other medieval archaic weapon. Poor.

Why do you think that police officers will just shoot soon as knife comes into it? It's just  too dangerous to mess with.

I find these two quotes to be both interesting and contradictory. Last I heard most cops won't shoot you on the spot for having a baton in your hand yet you assert that it is better. However later on you go on to talk about how it is too dangerous to mess with and immediately is perceived as a killing weapon.

I noticed the same thing but wanted to stay on topic. Not in the mood to argue.

IMO saying a pistol is more dangerous then a knife up close is a mistake. Why? Try to grab a pistol and a knife someone is trying to use against you and see how each works out.

[zimchaz]

Not to derail the thread any further, and apologies to Kampfer, but I will relate my own,somewhat relevant "self defense" incident.

I had bought a knockoff crkt lookalike liner lock with thumb stud roughly 8 years ago.I was 17 or 18 and had been training in karate for 6 years or so,and branching out into jiu jitsu for 6 months along with practicing my draw on the knife and such.

I was walking down the road with my 4 yr old neice and was attacked by a pair of large mix breed dogs.my neice ran immediately which spurred the dogs on and I chased her to ensure she did not get mauled.I picked her up and with constant movement and some aimed blows I sent the dogs running.My neice was unharmed and I  had a lacerated calf and cuts all over my forearm.
Going over the situation, I was caught unaware, though the dogs bark warned me with about 10m to spare, the dogs were intent on attack.My first priority was protecting my neice.

I didn't even think about the knife!

I stopped carrying a "self defense" knife after that.

It highlighted a few things.

Even with training in various martial arts and practice,the 10m warning I had was gone before I chance to even think about the knife.
Gross motor strikes and movement saved my butt.
And I only had one hand as I  was holding my neice.

A OHO blade was my only option in that situation and I didn't use it.

So for me a 2HO is absolutely fine as a carry knife and I would hit until I could run away in any other situation, assuming I even knew what happened.

I believe too many people envision a "perfect scenario" with self defense.

I do agree with the tried by 12 theory though.

[shark_za]

Muscle memory is key.

And the spyderco military is upside down for me. Pity. I'll get a para.
I occasionally carry a Matriarch when I have no other weapon on me, its my get off me and my space knife.

Chaz, dealing with dogs has so many other ways of being resolved than with a knife, you did the right thing.
Sometimes a knife will solve the issue at hand though.

[captain spaulding]

Muscle memory is key.

And the spyderco military is upside down for me. Pity. I'll get a para.
I occasionally carry a Matriarch when I have no other weapon on me, its my get off me and my space knife.

Chaz, dealing with dogs has so many other ways of being resolved than with a knife, you did the right thing.
Sometimes a knife will solve the issue at hand though.

Same for me. I was hoping they would make the Military tip up in 2015, but I guess I was hoping for to much. I'll stick with my Para II.

[HarleyXJGuy]

Muscle memory is key.

And the spyderco military is upside down for me. Pity. I'll get a para.
I occasionally carry a Matriarch when I have no other weapon on me, its my get off me and my space knife.

Chaz, dealing with dogs has so many other ways of being resolved than with a knife, you did the right thing.
Sometimes a knife will solve the issue at hand though.

Same for me. I was hoping they would make the Military tip up in 2015, but I guess I was hoping for to much. I'll stick with my Para II.

Ok I have to points in reply to this.

One: Do not mess with my beloved Millie.

Two: There is a Military 2 coming out an some point and I will bet all I have it will have the option for tip up carry.

Three: I do not care for tip up with big folders.

Four: Being able to count is over rated.

[captain spaulding]

Muscle memory is key.

And the spyderco military is upside down for me. Pity. I'll get a para.
I occasionally carry a Matriarch when I have no other weapon on me, its my get off me and my space knife.

Chaz, dealing with dogs has so many other ways of being resolved than with a knife, you did the right thing.
Sometimes a knife will solve the issue at hand though.

Same for me. I was hoping they would make the Military tip up in 2015, but I guess I was hoping for to much. I'll stick with my Para II.

Ok I have to points in reply to this.

One: Do not mess with my beloved Millie.

Two: There is a Military 2 coming out an some point and I will bet all I have it will have the option for tip up carry.

Three: I do not care for tip up with big folders.

Four: Being able to count is over rated.

Ive been waiting so long I might not even care enough to get one now. 

[HarleyXJGuy]

Muscle memory is key.

And the spyderco military is upside down for me. Pity. I'll get a para.
I occasionally carry a Matriarch when I have no other weapon on me, its my get off me and my space knife.

Chaz, dealing with dogs has so many other ways of being resolved than with a knife, you did the right thing.
Sometimes a knife will solve the issue at hand though.

Same for me. I was hoping they would make the Military tip up in 2015, but I guess I was hoping for to much. I'll stick with my Para II.

Ok I have to points in reply to this.

One: Do not mess with my beloved Millie.

Two: There is a Military 2 coming out an some point and I will bet all I have it will have the option for tip up carry.

Three: I do not care for tip up with big folders.

Four: Being able to count is over rated.

Ive been waiting so long I might not even care enough to get one now. 

Or you just found out the tip up mafia is full of smurf and tip down is just as good.

[captain spaulding]

Muscle memory is key.

And the spyderco military is upside down for me. Pity. I'll get a para.
I occasionally carry a Matriarch when I have no other weapon on me, its my get off me and my space knife.

Chaz, dealing with dogs has so many other ways of being resolved than with a knife, you did the right thing.
Sometimes a knife will solve the issue at hand though.

Same for me. I was hoping they would make the Military tip up in 2015, but I guess I was hoping for to much. I'll stick with my Para II.

Ok I have to points in reply to this.

One: Do not mess with my beloved Millie.

Two: There is a Military 2 coming out an some point and I will bet all I have it will have the option for tip up carry.

Three: I do not care for tip up with big folders.

Four: Being able to count is over rated.

Ive been waiting so long I might not even care enough to get one now. 

Or you just found out the tip up mafia is full of smurf and tip down is just as good.

That would be nice except your wrong...... 

[HarleyXJGuy]

Muscle memory is key.

And the spyderco military is upside down for me. Pity. I'll get a para.
I occasionally carry a Matriarch when I have no other weapon on me, its my get off me and my space knife.

Chaz, dealing with dogs has so many other ways of being resolved than with a knife, you did the right thing.
Sometimes a knife will solve the issue at hand though.

Same for me. I was hoping they would make the Military tip up in 2015, but I guess I was hoping for to much. I'll stick with my Para II.

Ok I have to points in reply to this.

One: Do not mess with my beloved Millie.

Two: There is a Military 2 coming out an some point and I will bet all I have it will have the option for tip up carry.

Three: I do not care for tip up with big folders.

Four: Being able to count is over rated.

Ive been waiting so long I might not even care enough to get one now. 

Or you just found out the tip up mafia is full of smurf and tip down is just as good.

That would be nice except your wrong...... 

Who shark?