This is InHumane..

[Leatherman123]

Well, one of my Fiance's friends showed her " the website that the meat industry doesn't want you to see". If you go to Meat.org, you can see the video.  I can honestly say that it impacted my life.. What are your thought about it? Thanks!

[BIG-TARGET]

Processing meat is like passing a law.  The process is not a pretty sight

[jzmtl]

Consider the video is actually hosted by (and probably made by) PETA, I'm a little skeptical to say at least.

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

Well I was a vegie for 9 years and would do so again, so that should give you a clue of my opinion.

[Leatherman123]

The way I think of it is that the animals were bred for human consumption. So, your not proving anything by not eating meat..  In a way you are, by showing that you care.. But, protest against the cruelty set fourth by slaughter house workers....

[BIG-TARGET]

The way I think of it is that the animals were bred for human consumption. So, your not proving anything by not eating meat..  In a way you are, by showing that you care.. But, protest against the cruelty set fourth by slaughter house workers....

In fact, if you don't eat meat.  You're actually wasting food.  And the're little kids going to bed hungry in Cambodia

[Tarrodemierda]

been weggie for years too.

[Grant Lamontagne]

If God wanted me to eat vegetables, He'd have made them out of beef.

Def

[NutSAK]

I'll second that.  I like vegetables, but they're no substitution.  I'm not too concerned with what the "meat industry" does.  I buy all my beef and pork from local farmers.

I am a staunch member of PETA though. 

People Eating Tasty Animals.   

[Grant Lamontagne]

I wonder how many videos of vegetable processing they would publish if a carrot could scream?

Def

[Whoey]

Who says they dont on a level we arent aware of.

[ducktapehero]

I am a staunch member of PETA though.

People Eating Tasty Animals.

Me too. I believe that there's room for all of God's creatures on this Earth, right next to the mashed potatoes.

[Tarrodemierda]

i eat occasionally meat but rarely,but only from local farmers who dont pile pigs and cows to those modern age concentration camps to stress and suffer.

same goes for eggs,i eat only eggs of"free" chicken,not those caged poor creatures.
and talk about fur....that should be stopped.

i understand that we use leathercraft of cow etc,thats used fully,and not killed painfully(electricity in anal cavity....talk about"painless".....just to have non-holed fur..) just cause of its fur.man doesnt need one,theres the synthetic fur too.but animal does need its fur.

[Benner]

I am a staunch member of PETA though. 

People Eating Tasty Animals.   

Me too. 

[hawkchucker]

Grew Up on a farm, and butchered my fair share of animals. Including a 16 cow marathon!!

Never pretty site, but certainly nothing to be squeemish about. It is just the cycle of life.

[duckman1975]

Got scared of this thread when I first read this, thought members would exchange violent reaction. Its goes to show how cool this forum is.
Anyways here are my thoughts. On animal rights, which animal do we give what rights? I mean do we give more rights to dogs and cats as to other animals like rats? How about "pest animals" what rights do we give them?
How about over population of animals? PETA is mercy killing pet animals that they can't take care anymore, so guess hunters also have the right to cull certain wild animals if the their population get well wild. Okay the method of killing is inhumane so we use drugs, if we use drugs on animals it takes away some of the resources to help humans.
If we push animal rights some will push insect rights (don't laugh people used to laugh at animal rights.) when will it end, Bacterila rights?
I studied in Buddist School when I was in elementary, the monks there try not to even hurt a fly, but they don't force use to do the same. They teach us why we should not to do it, but they didn't force use. Guess thats what animal rights should be teach the people don't hurt or put then to jail. Sorry for the long post

[ducktapehero]

Speaking of PETA. Pamela Anderson is selling her Dodge Viper and giving the proceeds to them. I would like to mention though that the Dodge Viper she's selling does have LEATHER SEATS!!!!!

http://deceiver.com/index.php?s=pam+anderson

[Whoey]

I think before we worry about animal rights we need to finish with human rights... there are far too many places in the world where they are overlooked.

[Mike, Lord of the Spammers!]

I think before we worry about animal rights we need to finish with human rights... there are far too many places in the world where they are overlooked.

You've a good point there mate, however I think there's room for both

[NutSAK]

On animal rights, which animal do we give what rights? I mean do we give more rights to dogs and cats as to other animals like rats?

Absolutely.  Pets are a part of the family.  You wouldn't kill or eat your pet without good reason, would you?  I would say that killing rats to reduce the spread of disease is a good reason.

How about over population of animals? PETA is mercy killing pet animals that they can't take care anymore, so guess hunters also have the right to cull certain wild animals if the their population get well wild.

Again, absolutely.  Hunting animals for population control is called conservation.  If we don't control populations, those animals will overpopulate to the point where disease and vehicular accidents become too common.  Taking a bullet from a hunter is a more humane way to die than from disease or injury.

The question I have is, who is going to control human overpopulation? 

In some cases, animals are treated more humanely than humans.  For instance, what do you do if your dog is in old age and suffering?  What do you do if a family member is in the same situation?

[Tarrodemierda]

well 1 vote for mercy killings.to end up the misery.for man and for animal.

[ducktapehero]

The question I have is, who is going to control human overpopulation?

I think it was Gandhi who said something like "The world has enough to fill everyone's needs, but not everyone's greed". I kinda feel the same way. There's enough food in this world for everyone. The reason people in other countries are starving isn't because there isn't enough food in the world. It's because in a lot of these places their oppressive governments use food as political power. Until these governments are overthrown there's nothing anyone can do. 

We donate food but the governments take it and dole it out as they please. And we get accused of "not doing enough" If we DO get involved and try to feed the people ourselves we get accused of "sticking our noses into other people's business"

[NutSAK]

The question I have is, who is going to control human overpopulation?

I think it was Gandhi who said something like "The world has enough to fill everyone's needs, but not everyone's greed". I kinda feel the same way. There's enough food in this world for everyone.

Food supply is only a small portion of the problem.  What about clean water, disease, and pollution among many other factors? 

The world population grows at a rate of around 200,000 people per day.  There are currently 10 times as many people on earth as there were 300 years ago.  What will happen in the next 300 years?  True, the rate of population growth will decrease as economy and health suffer, but it is possible to reach a point where our needs are no longer met.

[NutSAK]

well 1 vote for mercy killings.to end up the misery.for man and for animal.

I'm with you.

[ducktapehero]

Food supply is only a small portion of the problem.  What about clean water, disease, and pollution?

Disease is probably what will keep the human population in check. With more and more people living together sooner or later there's gonna be something that's gonna pop up and "cull the herd". I'm not saying the population can grow unchecked forever, but I truly believe that there's still plenty of food and water to pass around. But governments and greed get in the way. I'm sure the amount of food the western world just throws away a year could feed millions.

[NutSAK]

I agree that, currently, there is enough food to go around and there are definite social and distribution problems.

[ducktapehero]

Too bad it'll never get solved.

[Mike]

I worked as a Research Technologist at the University of Washington using non-human primates as our research subjects, I also am an avid meat eater.
Some thoughts:
Animals are not human.
Animals should be treated and handled with respect regardless of what they are being used for.
Humans and animals benefit from animals used in research.
Humans and animals benefit from the slaughter of animals for food, hides, etc.
Nobody gets out of here without having some kind of negative impact on the planet.
Everybody should do what they reasonably can to lessen their negative impact on the planet.


Having said the above things, I would like to add a bit. I am very happy that we have the kind of forum where people respect each others opinions and can have civilized discussions. I am happy that our small corner of the Internet is a place where people can agree to disagree. I am happy that we can also have some laughs along the way. I am happy that even though we may disagree with each other once in awhile, we can still get along and tip a beverage to one another at the end of the day.

Basically, I am proud of you guys. All good people, and I wish you were my neighbors.

Mike

[NutSAK]

I couldn't agree more--especially the part about the forum's attitude.  I guess we'll have to agree to agree this time. 

  Cheers!

[Leatherman123]

Yeah, I can understand that now.. Well done, Mike!