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Leatherman PST chronology project 175154

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #30 on: July 29, 2008, 04:33:57 AM »
                        SMITTY44 INFO

-Knurled screws

-No Lanyard attachment

-Old plier pivot

-Plier pivot (both sides):
"LEATHERMAN" (no USA)

-No hard wire notch

-Handle stamp (one side only):
"LEATHERMAN TOOL (small print),US PAT 4238862,  Portland OR.
On the top handle CABELA'S,in large writing

-Inch ruled only

-Drop point blade, with LEATHERMAN  on side of blade,not stamped
                                          U.S.A.
-Blade tang:Blank

-Milled Awl blade

-Off center screwdrivers pivet in

-Can opener has left hand cut.

-Ordered from Cabela's late in 1983


Wow, another oldy with LEATHERMAN TOOL stamped on the handle and yet an inch-only ruler. Amazing! :)


Ordered from Cabelas in 1983 eh Smitty? Surprising that it has knurled screws instead of rivets. That would suggest that Leatherman dropped the rivets earlier than I'd thought. :think:


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #31 on: July 29, 2008, 04:38:50 AM »

Bob - it is the middle of the three blades (sabre) on the PST I mentioned.



Ahh good, so we've narrowed it down to sometime after 1993 that they switched to the new knife blade. (Darn, I should have been asking about this from the start so we could see what Spoony's 1996's were)  :-\

My OP has been updated, the only one of four has the Saber blade.

Hey, thats interesting!
One of your 1996 tools has no saber blade/no hard wire notch/handles stamped with reg number.
The other 1996 has yes saber/yes hard wire notch/no reg number.

That pretty well nails down 1996 as the year all three of those changes were made. :)

One last thing Spoony; are the screwdrivers on both models the same? (are they old pivot-in-under-pressure, or new pivot-out-under-pressure?)
« Last Edit: July 29, 2008, 04:40:39 AM by J-sews »

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #32 on: July 29, 2008, 04:43:36 AM »
A possibly useful compilation of the info contributed in this thread thus far, in Excel spreadsheet, so that it's a bit easier to compare the tools. I like looking at puzzles during my lunch hour, so sue me. ???

*edit*
shoved the spreadsheet into a Word document due to forum limitations

A spreadsheet is the right way to compile this info Woofer. Great idea! :)  I must admit to being Excell-challenged though. :(

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #33 on: July 29, 2008, 04:44:29 AM »
Man J-sews this is an interesting post of the PST  :o I really like the PST but since I have been getting models with more on them it is kind of playing 2nd fiddle :( I need to get it out and about some this weekend maybe :) It really and truly under normal circumstances has everything would need :D But saw, scissors and diamond files and etc etc are nice if you have them  ::) :D

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #34 on: July 29, 2008, 05:41:09 AM »
                        SMITTY44 INFO

-Knurled screws

-No Lanyard attachment

-Old plier pivot

-Plier pivot (both sides):
"LEATHERMAN" (no USA)

-No hard wire notch

-Handle stamp (one side only):
"LEATHERMAN TOOL (small print),US PAT 4238862,  Portland OR.
On the top handle CABELA'S,in large writing

-Inch ruled only

-Drop point blade, with LEATHERMAN  on side of blade,not stamped
                                          U.S.A.
-Blade tang:Blank

-Milled Awl blade

-Off center screwdrivers pivet in

-Can opener has left hand cut.

-Ordered from Cabela's late in 1983


Wow, another oldy with LEATHERMAN TOOL stamped on the handle and yet an inch-only ruler. Amazing! :)


Ordered from Cabelas in 1983 eh Smitty? Surprising that it has knurled screws instead of rivets. That would suggest that Leatherman dropped the rivets earlier than I'd thought. :think:


See LM history on attch link http://www.leatherman.com...erman/history/default.asp

see quote about Cabele's on the yr of 1983,neat history,thanks for the Post Bob
« Last Edit: July 29, 2008, 05:46:44 AM by Smitty44 »
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #35 on: July 29, 2008, 07:31:56 AM »
A spreadsheet is the right way to compile this info Woofer. Great idea! :)  I must admit to being Excell-challenged though. :(

The useful things about spreadsheets is that they take only minutes to update and clarify.

Attached file is an Excel spreadsheet, just change the file extesnion from doc to xls. Word is a pain.
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #36 on: July 29, 2008, 08:23:23 AM »
Okay now thats a combination that I haven't seen before RZ. A "Japan" knife blade combined with handles that say "LEATHERMAN TOOL" and have an inch-only ruler. Any way you can post a picture of the handles, similar to those in Reply #3  ?? 


Sorry, not at the moment.  Pics would have to be via a cell phone camera.  It takes pics that are low resolution and rather blurred - really not worth the trouble to take and post.

I'll see about borrowing a decent camera to try and get a few pics that'll be worth posting.

Can you decipher the approx date of manufacture from that "REG'D TM" number?  Think LM has a record of when they switched over from stamping Trademark Numbers to Patent Numbers?

I don't see additonal numbers anywhere, including inside the handles.  Is there anywhere in particular to check for date codes that I might be overlooking?

Also, I'm still not clear on what year LM changed from using rivets to the knurled screws?

.
 


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #37 on: July 29, 2008, 06:48:36 PM »
Glad to see this project taking off :) Although have i been volunteered for something?!? :think: :o :D

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #38 on: July 29, 2008, 10:22:00 PM »

Bob - it is the middle of the three blades (sabre) on the PST I mentioned.



Ahh good, so we've narrowed it down to sometime after 1993 that they switched to the new knife blade. (Darn, I should have been asking about this from the start so we could see what Spoony's 1996's were)  :-\

My OP has been updated, the only one of four has the Saber blade.

Hey, thats interesting!
One of your 1996 tools has no saber blade/no hard wire notch/handles stamped with reg number.
The other 1996 has yes saber/yes hard wire notch/no reg number.

That pretty well nails down 1996 as the year all three of those changes were made. :)

One last thing Spoony; are the screwdrivers on both models the same? (are they old pivot-in-under-pressure, or new pivot-out-under-pressure?)

 :cheers:

Yup, drivers on both 96 models are the same; the older centerline pivot-in-under-pressure versions. The only PST I currently have with the newer drivers is the 00 model. *Adjusted down below.
« Last Edit: July 30, 2008, 12:09:12 AM by Spoonrobot »
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #39 on: July 29, 2008, 10:46:10 PM »
•   Rivets or knurled screws?
Screws
•   Lanyard attachment?
Yes
•   (Old) small diameter or (new) large diameter plier pivot?
Old
•   LEATHERMAN cast into plier pivot, along with USA or TOOL?
LEATHERMAN         USA
•   A hard wire cutter notch?
No
•   Handles stamped with what? (see pictures in next post for examples)
"LEATHERMAN TOOL, standard font, from late 1980's thru 1990's"- Leatherman Tool, REG #, and Porland OR
•   Inch ruler only, or inch/metric?
Inch/Metric
•   Date codes? What are they?
1293    1193
•   Drop point knife blade or clip point? (saber?)
Saber
•   Knife blade tang stamped LEATHERMAN, JAPAN, or USA?
LEATHERMAN USA
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #40 on: July 30, 2008, 12:08:25 AM »
2000??
•   New off center screwdrivers pivot OUT

Hey Bob, I do have another PST in storage that I didn't give all the info on in the thread. Call it my PST #5. What I can tell from the pictures I posted a long time ago; it is a 0599 model with a newer-pivoting-out phillips and medium flathead drivers.

The flathead has the side nail nick and not the top nail-ridge like the 00 model I have. Hope this helps!
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #41 on: July 30, 2008, 12:51:59 AM »
Okay now thats a combination that I haven't seen before RZ. A "Japan" knife blade combined with handles that say "LEATHERMAN TOOL" and have an inch-only ruler. Any way you can post a picture of the handles, similar to those in Reply #3  ?? 

..........I'll see about borrowing a decent camera to try and get a few pics that'll be worth posting.


I'd really like to see that picture someday RZ. Hope you can borrow a camera someday soon. :)




Can you decipher the approx date of manufacture from that "REG'D TM" number?  Think LM has a record of when they switched over from stamping Trademark Numbers to Patent Numbers?


Google Patents has patent date information, but where does a person look to find Trademark info? ???



I don't see additonal numbers anywhere, including inside the handles.  Is there anywhere in particular to check for date codes that I might be overlooking?

Also, I'm still not clear on what year LM changed from using rivets to the knurled screws?



In a previous survey we did here at MTorg, the earliest date stamp anyone reported was 1292 (December 1992) Before then Leatherman did not stamp date codes, so trying to figure out feature introduction dates is almost pure guesswork.

My best guess as to when they discontinued rivets had been 1984/1985. But now Smitty reports that he has a PST from late 1983 that has knurled screws. Hmmm, that means the rivets were only used for about one year.

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #42 on: July 30, 2008, 12:57:19 AM »
2000??
•   New off center screwdrivers pivot OUT

Hey Bob, I do have another PST in storage that I didn't give all the info on in the thread. Call it my PST #5. What I can tell from the pictures I posted a long time ago; it is a 0599 model with a newer-pivoting-out phillips and medium flathead drivers.

The flathead has the side nail nick and not the top nail-ridge like the 00 model I have. Hope this helps!

Good stuff. So far your 0599 is the earliest we've seen the out-pivoting screwdrivers.

(first post edited) :)

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #43 on: July 30, 2008, 01:03:44 AM »
The first-post survey questions have evolved somewhat since we started. Here is the latest:

Please take a look at your PST and tell us where it fits in. Does your PST have:

•   Rivets or knurled screws?
•   Lanyard attachment?
•   (Old) small diameter or (new) large diameter plier pivot?
•   LEATHERMAN alone cast into plier pivot? Or with USA? Or TOOL?
•   A hard wire cutter notch?
•   Handles stamped with what? (see pictures in next post for examples)
•   Inch ruler only, or inch/metric?
•   Date codes?
•   Drop point knife blade or clip point? (saber?)
•   Knife blade tang stamped LEATHERMAN alone? Or with USA? Or JAPAN?
•   Screwdrivers: pivot-in or pivot-out?

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #44 on: July 30, 2008, 01:41:46 AM »
PST #2

•   Rivets or knurled screws?
Knurled screws
•   Lanyard attachment?
Yes
•   (Old) small diameter or (new) large diameter plier pivot?
Old
•   LEATHERMAN alone cast into plier pivot? Or with USA? Or TOOL?
USA
•   A hard wire cutter notch?
Yes
•   Handles stamped with what? (see pictures in next post for examples)
LEATHERMAN TOOL - PORTLAND OR
•   Inch ruler only, or inch/metric?
Both
•   Date codes?
0898
•   Drop point knife blade or clip point? (saber?)
Drop Point
•   Knife blade tang stamped LEATHERMAN alone? Or with USA? Or JAPAN?
LEATHERMAN -USA-
•   Screwdrivers: pivot-in or pivot-out?
Out

Bit earlier with the driver pivot!

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #45 on: July 30, 2008, 01:49:26 AM »
•   Date codes?
0898
•   Screwdrivers: pivot-in or pivot-out?
Out

Bit earlier with the driver pivot!

The bar just got raised another notch. :)



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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #46 on: July 30, 2008, 01:50:04 AM »
PST #3

•   Rivets or knurled screws?
Knurled screws
•   Lanyard attachment?
Yes
•   (Old) small diameter or (new) large diameter plier pivot?
New
•   LEATHERMAN alone cast into plier pivot? Or with USA? Or TOOL?
TOOL
•   A hard wire cutter notch?
Yes
•   Handles stamped with what? (see pictures in next post for examples)
LEATHERMAN TOOL - PORTLAND OR
•   Inch ruler only, or inch/metric?
Both
•   Date codes?
0402
•   Drop point knife blade or clip point? (saber?)
Drop Point
•   Knife blade tang stamped LEATHERMAN alone? Or with USA? Or JAPAN?
LEATHERMAN
•   Screwdrivers: pivot-in or pivot-out?
Out

Noticed a difference between the medium drivers on #2 (08/98) and #3 (04/02).

On the older one, the driver has a nail notch on top of the blade (so outside when closed) and is only chamfered on one side at the tip. The new one has the newer nail-nick on the side of the blade and is chamfered both sides at the tip.


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #47 on: July 30, 2008, 01:51:58 AM »
Hmmmm, is that the same thing Spoonrobot was talking about a few posts ago?


2000??
•   New off center screwdrivers pivot OUT

Hey Bob, I do have another PST in storage that I didn't give all the info on in the thread. Call it my PST #5. What I can tell from the pictures I posted a long time ago; it is a 0599 model with a newer-pivoting-out phillips and medium flathead drivers.

The flathead has the side nail nick and not the top nail-ridge like the 00 model I have. Hope this helps!

In order to be certain of having the right tool for every job.........one must first acquire a lot of tools
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #48 on: July 30, 2008, 02:10:50 AM »
Hmmmm, is that the same thing Spoonrobot was talking about a few posts ago?


2000??
•   New off center screwdrivers pivot OUT

Hey Bob, I do have another PST in storage that I didn't give all the info on in the thread. Call it my PST #5. What I can tell from the pictures I posted a long time ago; it is a 0599 model with a newer-pivoting-out phillips and medium flathead drivers.

The flathead has the side nail nick and not the top nail-ridge like the 00 model I have. Hope this helps!

Yes that would be it. I took this pic a while ago, but it shows the differences a little:



2nd from top is PST #3, 3rd one down is PST #2.


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #49 on: July 30, 2008, 02:13:36 AM »
Oooh, so there were three medium screwdriver variations?  :o  Hang on, I gotta go check mine.......

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #50 on: July 30, 2008, 02:16:24 AM »
I shoudl add that the bottom PST in that pic is the cabela's anniversary one, I shan't bother doing that one as it is an after-the-event mish-mash of parts!


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #51 on: July 30, 2008, 02:47:06 AM »
My 0794 has the same screwdriver as the BO 1 in the above pic the one with the top nail nick hope this helps :)

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #52 on: July 30, 2008, 02:49:07 AM »
J-sews possibly does this thread need to be stickied so not to be lost in the mix :) I mean the PST did have a big hand in all this MT thing anyway ::)  and this is the largest collection of info on several PSTs that I have ever seen :D

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #53 on: July 30, 2008, 02:50:18 AM »
J-sews possibly does this thread need to be stickied so not to be lost in the mix :) I mean the PST did have a big hand in all this MT thing anyway ::)  and this is the largest collection of info on several PSTs that I have ever seen :D

Sure Poncho, good idea. Consider it stickified. :)

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #54 on: July 30, 2008, 04:43:02 AM »
J-sews possibly does this thread need to be stickied so not to be lost in the mix :) I mean the PST did have a big hand in all this MT thing anyway ::)  and this is the largest collection of info on several PSTs that I have ever seen :D

Sure Poncho, good idea. Consider it stickified. :)

Thanks Bob :salute:  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :D I think this and the pic post of the PST will be very interesting and informative can't wait to see all those PSTs  :o :D

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #55 on: July 30, 2008, 05:04:28 AM »
So I imported the Excel spreadsheet I was running into GoogleDocs so that it can be a collaborative document and viewable by anyone who might not have excel, at:

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=pZt2yzMjYcAXMhpNS9kJBCw

For now it's set to permit anyone to view, but only myself to edit. I'm a bit hesitant to open it up for editing by anyone, but if J-Sews or anyone want to put in info, just PM me. Probably going to stick charts in when I have a free minute in order to make it more visually appealing.

The only thing that doesn't really make sense is the blade types - they change from drop to saber to a somewhat random mishmash. Any idea why that happens?


*edit*
added in J-Sews' PSTs from his pictures thread with as much info as I could discern, it's under the second worksheet

*double edit*
okay so maybe I'm having a slow day. Anyhow, I've created a quick and dirty form for this project via GoogleDocs that will autofill the spreadsheet. If you could go to http://spreadsheets.google.com/viewform?key=pZt2yzMjYcAXMhpNS9kJBCw&hl=en after posting your answer in the forum, that would be great.
« Last Edit: July 30, 2008, 07:06:36 AM by woofer »
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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #56 on: July 30, 2008, 07:38:42 AM »
Okay now thats a combination that I haven't seen before RZ. A "Japan" knife blade combined with handles that say "LEATHERMAN TOOL" and have an inch-only ruler.

I'd always assumed that my LM Tool was made in Japan and never thought any less of it for that.

Since there's no USA stamp on it anywhere, but there is that "JAPAN" stamped on the blade tang, I always thought the whole thing was made in Japan.

But, you say that only the blade was made in Japan and the rest of it was made in the USA?

I'd really like to see that picture someday RZ. Hope you can borrow a camera someday soon. :)

Should be able to borrow a camera from any of several sources - it's just a matter of logistics.  I do miss having my own camera around, if nothing else it comes in handy for documentation purposes like this.

My best guess as to when they discontinued rivets had been 1984/1985. But now Smitty reports that he has a PST from late 1983 that has knurled screws. Hmmm, that means the rivets were only used for about one year.

I've been racking my brain to try to pin down the year I bought my LM Tool.  As best I can remember, it was somtime between 1983-1985 inclusive.  I definitely recall having it on certain outdoor adventures after 1985.

.

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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #57 on: July 30, 2008, 08:19:50 AM »
The first-post survey questions have evolved somewhat since we started. Here is the latest:

Please take a look at your PST and tell us where it fits in. Does your PST have:

•   Rivets or knurled screws?
•   Lanyard attachment?
•   (Old) small diameter or (new) large diameter plier pivot?
•   LEATHERMAN alone cast into plier pivot? Or with USA? Or TOOL?
•   A hard wire cutter notch?
•   Handles stamped with what? (see pictures in next post for examples)
•   Inch ruler only, or inch/metric?
•   Date codes?
•   Drop point knife blade or clip point? (saber?)
•   Knife blade tang stamped LEATHERMAN alone? Or with USA? Or JAPAN?
•   Screwdrivers: pivot-in or pivot-out?
I'm know I'm late to the party Bob, but heres my PSTs
#1
Rivets
Lanyard attachment
Old diameter pivot head
plier head says leatherman alone
Know hard wire notch
handles stamped with Large LEATHERMAN TOOL
Inch only
No date code
Drop point blade
Blade stamped Leatherman alone
drivers pivot in

#2
Knurled screws
Lanyard attachment
old diameter plier pivot
plier head says leatherman USA
no hard wire notch
handles stamped with small leatherman Tool with the us reg TM number
inch and metric ruler
one handle has 0495 date code the other has no code
saber blade
leatherman USA on blade
drivers pivot in

#3
Knurled screws
Lanyard attachment
old diameter plier pivot
plier head says leatherman USA
no hard wire notch
handles stamped with small leatherman Tool
inch and metric ruler
one handle has 0696, the other 0496
clip point blade
leatherman USA on blade
drivers pivot in

#4
Knurled screws
Lanyard attachment
New diameter plier pivot
plier head says leatherman TOOL
yes hard wire notch
handles stamped with small leatherman Tool
inch and metric ruler
one handle has 0204, the other 0304
clip point blade
leatherman on blade
drivers pivot out





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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #58 on: July 31, 2008, 12:46:37 AM »
woofer - I wasn't clear about my PST #1(BO) - where you have the question mark in the "Handle Stamp: Portland, OR" you can enter "Yes".

Good job by the way - makes it much easier to follow than trying to compare all the forum posts - thanks.


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Re: Leatherman PST chronology project
« Reply #59 on: July 31, 2008, 06:29:35 AM »
Okay now thats a combination that I haven't seen before RZ. A "Japan" knife blade combined with handles that say "LEATHERMAN TOOL" and have an inch-only ruler.

I'd always assumed that my LM Tool was made in Japan and never thought any less of it for that.

Since there's no USA stamp on it anywhere, but there is that "JAPAN" stamped on the blade tang, I always thought the whole thing was made in Japan.

But, you say that only the blade was made in Japan and the rest of it was made in the USA?


Well now that's an interesting theory. Maybe only the knife blade was made in Japan? Could be! :-\



Hey RZ, just to be clear, is the LEATHERMAN  stamped in large letter font on your handle? Or small letter font?


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