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I Seek Experts On Police Multi Tools
« on: May 05, 2016, 02:37:00 AM »
I am looking for experts in the field of multi tools for police use. Which people can be consulted about the question, which multitools are best for police officers, and why? I am looking for names of experts anywhere in the world.

I am also looking for reliable websites or web publications about this topic. That may be scientific study reports, best practice evaluations, specialized weblogs, internet video's, specialized forums, etc.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions or directions. 


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Re: I Seek Experts On Police Multi Tools
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2016, 02:53:33 PM »
I doubt that you are going to find anyone or anywhere in the world that has more information on multitools than this site here.  and, we have a number of members in law enforcement around the world, and they can offer a variety of opinions on what works best for them.

Like most people, cops tend to be people, and have different likes, dislikes, wants and needs in a tool, and frankly, most of the current "cop oriented" tools are utter garbage-  888 knives for example.

If you are a buyer looking for info on what tools to purchase for your department, then I would suggest that you look at some of the OHO offerings from Leatherman, such as the Wave.  It's not the best tool out there (arguably), but it is very reliable, and the OHO blades could help an officer in a number of situations.

If I recall correctly, Calibre Press has done a number of articles in the past about multitools, as has Blue Line magazine.  I don't have copies from either to share, but I'm certain if you were to try contacting them they may be able to help.

Otherwise, I don't know of any resources that might be better for multitool research than this one right here- we are the biggest community and multitool research resource available anywhere.

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Re: I Seek Experts On Police Multi Tools
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2016, 03:25:04 PM »
Hi Rico

This is the fifth (I think) thread you have started up on multitools for police.

There is no obligation, but it would be great if you could declare your interest. I am certainly curious. It may help people's answers too.

As a civvy I canot really add any comments from practical experience - It would just be my opinion on what would suit. So I will stay out of the debate.

And good comments have already been made about how it depends on usage/cop role, at the very least, eg car vs on foot vs bike etc. And maybe personal preference, if not standard issue.

You would also think that cop cars and bikes already have tool kits on board of some sort. So are you referring mainy to foot officers?

My observations are that foot police officers have an awful lot of gear on them already in the dozens of pouches on their belts and webbing!! So light and compact is probably important.

Around Sydney and elsewhere I have heard that an MT is not standard issue, so carrying one is a personal option. I know some cops would never be without one, others do not bother. You certainly see this around - Some have the additional MT on their, belt others do not.

For me as on MT 'believer' - I would think every cop should have some sort of MT. I would imagine they'd be used every day.
 
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Re: I Seek Experts On Police Multi Tools
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2016, 04:22:46 PM »
There is no obligation, but it would be great if you could declare your interest. I am certainly curious. It may help people's answers too.

I prefer not to. Sorry for peaking your curiosity. I can say that I am not a native English speaker. Hence my stiff school English.

As a civvy I canot really add any comments from practical experience - It would just be my opinion on what would suit. So I will stay out of the debate.

Please join the police discussions. I value your intelligent comments highly, like the opinions of many other forum members here. I want to talk with all forum members that have knowledge, experience or ideas about multitools. Together we can give advice to future police decision makers worl-wide, who will read these topics in the future, to support their multitool policy. 

And good comments have already been made about how it depends on usage/cop role, at the very least, eg car vs on foot vs bike etc. And maybe personal preference, if not standard issue.

Now and then most officers are on foot, so their personal multitool should not be to heavy. In their vehicle can be a second multitool that is full-sized, like a Leatherman Surge. Or cheap brand, in case it could be stolen by officers or public.   

You would also think that cop cars and bikes already have tool kits on board of some sort. So are you referring mainly to foot officers?

Yes mainly, it is relatively easy to find a multitool that has many options and good quality, while weight is not an issue. But it is hard to find such at 5 or 7 ounce.

My observations are that foot police officers have an awful lot of gear on them already in the dozens of pouches on their belts and webbing!! So light and compact is probably important.

I agree. Ergonomic awareness should increase, to prevent health issues. And the bad boys run fast ...

Around Sydney and elsewhere I have heard that an MT is not standard issue, so carrying one is a personal option. I know some cops would never be without one, others do not bother. You certainly see this around - Some have the additional MT on their, belt others do not.

For me as an MT 'believer' - I would think every cop should have some sort of MT. I would imagine they'd be used every day.

I fully agree! All police officers should be obliged to carry at least a 2 ounce mini multitool, since that will greatly improve their efficiency, in my view.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2016, 04:24:59 PM by Rico-2 »
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Re: I Seek Experts On Police Multi Tools
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2016, 04:40:27 PM »
I doubt that you are going to find anyone or anywhere in the world that has more information on multitools than this site here.  and, we have a number of members in law enforcement around the world, and they can offer a variety of opinions on what works best for them.

I highly value this forum and the interesting discussions here. Thanks for your hospitality on your forum, and i think you are doing a great job here. This forum is well organised and moderated, and has a friendly atmosphere.

Like most people, cops tend to be people, and have different likes, dislikes, wants and needs in a tool, and frankly, most of the current "cop oriented" tools are utter garbage-  888 knives for example.

Together we can summarize best practices and new ideas for police multitools, with pros and cons.

If you are a buyer looking for info on what tools to purchase for your department, then I would suggest that you look at some of the OHO offerings from Leatherman, such as the Wave.  It's not the best tool out there (arguably), but it is very reliable, and the OHO blades could help an officer in a number of situations.

One Handed Opening would be useful indeed.

If I recall correctly, Calibre Press has done a number of articles in the past about multitools, as has Blue Line magazine.  I don't have copies from either to share, but I'm certain if you were to try contacting them they may be able to help.

Thanks.
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Re: I Seek Experts On Police Multi Tools
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2016, 05:37:47 PM »
Interesting topics. My advise is be mindful of forum rules. It's OK to ask questions and throw around ideas, however if you are doing research for business purposes then contact a mod for the right privileges to do business here. One thread for an idea is normal. When you start five then it gets suspicious. Glad to have you here and it is an interesting idea. But please respect the forum and the work these guys and gals do here. :salute:

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Re: I Seek Experts On Police Multi Tools
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2016, 06:00:32 PM »
Interesting topics. My advise is be mindful of forum rules.

Thanks for your careful advise. I will respect forum rules and moderator directions. Which forum rules did (or could) I break precisely? Do the forum moderators agree with this? Are you a moderator?

It's OK to ask questions and throw around ideas, however if you are doing research for business purposes then contact a mod for the right privileges to do business here.

I am not doing business here. And the mods can read all my messages. What privileges should I ask for precisely?

One thread for an idea is normal. When you start five then it gets suspicious. Glad to have you here and it is an interesting idea. But please respect the forum and the work these guys and gals do here. :salute:

IMO it would be in nobody's interest if too many subjects are covered in one discussion. Hence my division in several topics.

I have already expressed my honest respect for forum members here several times. And I am her for mutual exchange. So I offer my ideas and insights, as well as I highly appreciate the input from other members.
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Re: I Seek Experts On Police Multi Tools
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2016, 06:21:06 PM »
Here is a good place to start http://forum.multitool.or...ex.php/topic,45162.0.html

You have been very polite and that is what makes this place great. You'll fit right in. I am not a moderator but this is a community. We look out for each other.

No you can't have too many threads on one subject. Just look at the "What ________ did you carry today" threads. :facepalm:


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Re: I Seek Experts On Police Multi Tools
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2016, 06:35:03 PM »
I think Demel is just mentioning if your research is for business purposes or to make anyone money then you will need to speak with Grant, Admin, or a Mod. If you are purely just interested in this information and there is no profit being made from your findings then enjoy yourself and ask as many questions as you like. You have been very respectful and we are glad to have you with us on the forum.  :tu:

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Re: I Seek Experts On Police Multi Tools
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2016, 06:50:43 PM »
I think Demel is just mentioning if your research is for business purposes or to make anyone money then you will need to speak with Grant, Admin, or a Mod. If you are purely just interested in this information and there is no profit being made from your findings then enjoy yourself and ask as many questions as you like. You have been very respectful and we are glad to have you with us on the forum.  :tu:
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Re: I Seek Experts On Police Multi Tools
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2016, 07:19:30 PM »
I am not planning to design or manufacture a multitool. But I try to make these police topics a place on the web, where police agencies world-wide can find focused guidance for their multitool policy. And manufacturers may profit from the ideas that are expressed in the police topics on this forum.
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Re: I Seek Experts On Police Multi Tools
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2016, 07:45:55 PM »
I am not planning to design or manufacture a multitool. But I try to make these police topics a place on the web, where police agencies world-wide can find focused guidance for their multitool policy. And manufacturers may profit from the ideas that are expressed in the police topics on this forum.


As long as you are not directly or knowingly asking for yourself or someone else with the knowledge the information will be used for profit then your fine.

If you know or someone you know is having you ask so they can get the information then that is not alright unless you ask Grant himself.

If you have any questions about this please ask.

Again, as long as your just asking because you are genuinely interested in the answers then great! If some police agency you have absolutely no connection with in any way comes along and decided they want to use the information then that is fine as its a public forum and everything posted is public information.



MOD's or Admin please feel free to correct me if I am wrong in any way or to add any input.

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Re: I Seek Experts On Police Multi Tools
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2016, 08:08:48 PM »
I am not paid by multitool manufacturers or designers.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2016, 08:21:46 PM by Rico-2 »
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Re: I Seek Experts On Police Multi Tools
« Reply #13 on: May 07, 2016, 08:16:16 PM »
MTO is a very good reference for police officers, firemen, mall security personnel  :police: :D ...

Anyway, Welcome to the forum, and I hope you get your answers.  Most First responders etc seem to carry what they are issued or just some low end, cheap tool (If they need to pay for it)

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Re: I Seek Experts On Police Multi Tools
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2016, 08:54:46 PM »
Ok I think we can move on and just all be happy that the rescue tool subforum has some life in it.

Although personally I think mall security guards can get by with more weight.



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Re: I Seek Experts On Police Multi Tools
« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2016, 12:36:03 AM »
As a civvy I canot really add any comments from practical experience - It would just be my opinion on what would suit. So I will stay out of the debate.

Please join the police discussions. I value your intelligent comments highly, like the opinions of many other forum members here.
......

OK I will  :D
I think the Skeletool would  be great for police.
Smallish, lightweight, good (but not extensive) collection of functions, convenient and easy to use, and of course the new one has the glass breaker, and the serrated blade woud be good for clothing, rope etc.
Although I guess they would have it in a pouch rather than using the clip. 

Or maybe the Rebar??

And I did not think of this - Either from the individual purchase, or municipal police buying department perspective :(
Let's face it LM's are expensive!

Most first responders etc seem to carry what they are issued or just some low end, cheap tool (if they need to pay for it)
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Re: I Seek Experts On Police Multi Tools
« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2016, 12:46:28 AM »
As a civvy I canot really add any comments from practical experience - It would just be my opinion on what would suit. So I will stay out of the debate.

Please join the police discussions. I value your intelligent comments highly, like the opinions of many other forum members here.
......

OK I will  :D
I think the Skeletool would  be great for police.
Smallish, lightweight, good (but not extensive) collection of functions, convenient and easy to use, and of course the new one has the glass breaker, and the serrated blade woud be good for clothing, rope etc.
Although I guess they would have it in a pouch rather than using the clip. 

Or maybe the Rebar??

And I did not think of this - Either from the individual purchase, or municipal police buying department perspective :(
Let's face it LM's are expensive!


Thanks, I am interested in the Skeletool RX.
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Re: I Seek Experts On Police Multi Tools
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2016, 11:42:12 AM »
Ok I think we can move on and just all be happy that the rescue tool subforum has some life in it.

Although personally I think mall security guards can get by with more weight.

From the ones I see over here, they could LOSE some weight...

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Re: I Seek Experts On Police Multi Tools
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2016, 01:25:46 PM »
Ok I think we can move on and just all be happy that the rescue tool subforum has some life in it.

Although personally I think mall security guards can get by with more weight.

From the ones I see over here, they could LOSE some weight...

 :whistle:

True, my point is that they need not abide by the strict 5oz weight limit on MTs, that is so important to the small Asian female officer who are clearly are taking over the police departments of the world.



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Re: I Seek Experts On Police Multi Tools
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2016, 01:44:18 PM »
Ok I think we can move on and just all be happy that the rescue tool subforum has some life in it.

Although personally I think mall security guards can get by with more weight.

From the ones I see over here, they could LOSE some weight...

 :whistle:

True, my point is that they need not abide by the strict 5oz weight limit on MTs, that is so important to the small Asian female officer who are clearly are taking over the police departments of the world.
How small are small Asian femle officers measured in Hooks?


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Re: I Seek Experts On Police Multi Tools
« Reply #20 on: May 13, 2016, 04:38:04 AM »
Hey Rico

On this site, as you well know - We will talk about multitools, their various uses, and users, until the cows come home

However I can't help but feel you are in the wrong place for some of these discussions.
As ultimately we (this forum) cannot influence things. We are just multitool fanatical lay people, although we do have a few LEOs as members, and some of us have LEO friends.

In your various threads we are straying from the multitool itself, into the situations in which they are used, and how emergency service people should be equipped/trained.
Is there a police officers/first responders community, or blog site, or discussion, or training forum?
Or possibly a crisis management community - Maybe one of the global NGOs such as the Red Cross, who deal with these matters.
These would be a great place to discuss your ideas.

And/or maybe you should be standing as a local coucillor, or member of parliament, with the ultimate goal of being the minister responsible for public services and disaster management. Or even target becoming a chief constable, or police training or equipment manager/director.

In that way your great ideas can be implemented - at least in your country, or area of responsibility.
You have some very definitive views on these topics - So I think the time is right to stop the discourse, and start taking action.

What do you think?
« Last Edit: May 13, 2016, 04:40:50 AM by Huntsman »
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Re: I Seek Experts On Police Multi Tools
« Reply #21 on: May 13, 2016, 04:59:48 AM »
Hey Rico

On this site, as you well know - We will talk about multitools, their various uses, and users, until the cows come home

However I can't help but feel you are in the wrong place for some of these discussions.
As ultimately we (this forum) cannot influence things. We are just multitool fanatical lay people, although we do have a few LEOs as members, and some of us have LEO friends.

In your various threads we are straying from the multitool itself, into the situations in which they are used, and how emergency service people should be equipped/trained.
Is there a police officers/first responders community, or blog site, or discussion, or training forum?
Or possibly a crisis management community - Maybe one of the global NGOs such as the Red Cross, who deal with these matters.
These would be a great place to discuss your ideas.

And/or maybe you should be standing as a local coucillor, or member of parliament, with the ultimate goal of being the minister responsible for public services and disaster management. Or even target becoming a chief constable, or police training or equipment manager/director.

In that way your great ideas can be implemented - at least in your country, or area of responsibility.
You have some very definitive views on these topics - So I think the time is right to stop the discourse, and start taking action.

What do you think?

Good analysis. Thanks for your advise.
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Re: I Seek Experts On Police Multi Tools
« Reply #22 on: May 13, 2016, 07:51:22 AM »
Interesting focus for sure.  I have seen a few LEO videos of their duty belt load outs.  What I've seen is LEOs are much like us, in that they choose dedicated knives and MTs based off what they are comfortable with. 

In terms of your area of focus I'd say LEOs would still choose their duty tools as they see fit.  If the department is funding these tools then I'd imagine some training would come along with that. 

We know from our military members that not all military personnel carry a dedicated knife let alone a MT.  This may have been just his group however it was interesting. 

Unless a organization supplies the tools ( knife/MT ) I think its optional.  Being optional gear it kinda make standardized training or training in general irrelevant. 

I don't know if LEO are required to carry collapsable batons or tazers but in those cases I can understand required training. 

 

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Re: I Seek Experts On Police Multi Tools
« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2016, 08:29:19 PM »
I belong to a gun club. It just so happens that all the local agencies train at the club's range. Hence, I get to meet a lot of city police, Ontario Provincial Police, Border guards, and even a few RCMP from time to time. Because I collect multi-tools and have a general interest in them, I am always keen to see what they are using.

From what I can tell locally, most are Leathermans. If not a Leatherman, it will be a Gerber. I know there are several full sized Super Tools and Cores in use on the local SWAT team. Yep, I do get funny looks whenever I inquire what multi-tool they use. I have also noted a few old Leatherman PST, a few waves. Oddly no Charges. If a Gerber, mostly MP600s. Surprisingly enough, the local constabulary do not go for black oxide finishes. Just an observation. Likewise, many do not appear to have a multi-tool on their duty belt.

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Re: I Seek Experts On Police Multi Tools
« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2016, 09:02:10 PM »
From what I can tell locally, most are Leathermans. If not a Leatherman, it will be a Gerber. I know there are several full sized Super Tools and Cores in use on the local SWAT team. Yep, I do get funny looks whenever I inquire what multi-tool they use. I have also noted a few old Leatherman PST, a few waves. Oddly no Charges. If a Gerber, mostly MP600s. Surprisingly enough, the local constabulary do not go for black oxide finishes. Just an observation. Likewise, many do not appear to have a multi-tool on their duty belt.
Thanks for your keen observations.
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Re: I Seek Experts On Police Multi Tools
« Reply #25 on: May 19, 2016, 12:56:54 AM »
I'm sorry I can't be specific about Police, but here is some input about other, possibly related jobs, for your consideration.

I know a paramedic who does not carry a Multi, but has trauma shears with them at all times.

A mechanic who carries a LM Supertool.

A child care worker who carries a Vic Super Tinker

and someone, (let's call him Mark Wahlberg) who carries a LM MUT.


I don't know if these are the "best of all possible worlds" for these people in their trades, and none of them were supplied by their various employers - but they were what was available, suited their individiual identified needs, and they are as happy as they need to be with the "fit" for what they want to achieve.

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Re: I Seek Experts On Police Multi Tools
« Reply #26 on: May 19, 2016, 03:09:05 AM »
Have you tried contacting this man? He is known to some simply as "Master", I'm assuming that may even surpass "expert".
His govermont name is Steven.

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Re: I Seek Experts On Police Multi Tools
« Reply #27 on: May 19, 2016, 03:21:38 AM »
:police: <---- doesn't exactly need a two week course on multitools. :)

There's no such thing as "Too pretty to carry".  There's only "Too pretty NOT to carry"...... >:D
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« Reply #28 on: May 19, 2016, 07:16:48 PM »
Have you tried contacting this man? He is known to some simply as "Master", I'm assuming that may even surpass "expert". (Image removed from quote.)
His govermont name is Steven.

This is all new to me...

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